When do the biggest non-injury rating changes occur?

robc · 07-13-2010, 11:34 AM

When using fictional players or real players with the player development engine (non-recalc), when do the biggest rating changes occur?

For example preseason, spring training, during the season, offseason?

Thanks

dmarco82 · 07-13-2010, 01:38 PM

I usually find them on January 1st of the offseason. It seems like a pretty big size re-calc of potential and overall ratings occurs when the calendar turns over. I've also seen then happen throughout the year. If a prospect has a great year of development, they might jump their ratings by 30 or so (on a 20/80 scale).

Biggio509 · 07-13-2010, 05:17 PM

Actually the beginning of the offseason is not necessarily when the ratings change. Your scout and the OSA scout at set times for sure. The offseason, Spring training, and opening day are automatic scout days. In the interim how often your scouts scout depend on your budget. So if you have a scouting budget set at average you are most likely only going to notice the new scouting reports on 1/1 or whenever your preseason begins when OSA and your scouts force scouting. Although scouts do try to scout every few months if you are not spending much on scouting you may not get new reports from opening day or when the draft pool is announced for draftees until the offseason.

It looks like ratings change drastically then but in reality the drastic change is simply because your now 9 month old scouting report is updated. With more money being spent on scouts I have not noticed drastic changes and changes seem to happen any time. I spent the minimum on scouting my first season in the new league and it seemed like in the off season my CY Young starter went to bullpen fodder. My guess is his curveball and other ratings declined a little more gradually and I just did not know it. Then again he also just turned 38 so I am not sure if something happens near certain birthdays where players take a big decline
depending on how their age profile was set up when created.

Biggio509 · 07-13-2010, 05:27 PM

To more directly address your question I think it is tough to say when ratings decline or increase the most. My understanding is each player is created with a sort of age profile that determines how much age will affect ratings. In a sense they have a development profile too. The better the potential generally the fast they develop. Therefore, project players can be serviceable major league players but are unlikely to be stars. I say unlikely because there is a random talent change element too.

This all means you have some guys like David Wells, Nolan Ryan, and Craig Biggio who will retain decent ratings in their 40's and some will burn out in their 30's. So when the ratings drop off happens is somewhat unique to each player. The same goes for when ratings change the most. Talented rookies might see big ratings jumps at 19 or 21. Average players may not get a big jump until 23 or 24. That is what makes when to give up on players hard. By 25 you can tell if a guy is going to be a star or not usually but what you can't tell easily is if he is going to an average player, a bench warmer, or minor league filler. Too many guys will be at points where they can still go either way.

There just really isn't an easy answer for this. Development also depends on coaches if they are on. Better managers, hitting coaches, and pitching coaches will develop players better. So a guy developing fast in A might slow down if your AA hitting coach sucks air. There does not really seem to be a point in the season when development kicks in and it is unique to each player.

07-13-2010, 11:34 AM	#1
robc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,095	When do the biggest non-injury rating changes occur? When using fictional players or real players with the player development engine (non-recalc), when do the biggest rating changes occur? For example preseason, spring training, during the season, offseason? Thanks

07-13-2010, 01:38 PM	#2
dmarco82 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 46	I usually find them on January 1st of the offseason. It seems like a pretty big size re-calc of potential and overall ratings occurs when the calendar turns over. I've also seen then happen throughout the year. If a prospect has a great year of development, they might jump their ratings by 30 or so (on a 20/80 scale).

07-13-2010, 05:17 PM	#3
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	Actually the beginning of the offseason is not necessarily when the ratings change. Your scout and the OSA scout at set times for sure. The offseason, Spring training, and opening day are automatic scout days. In the interim how often your scouts scout depend on your budget. So if you have a scouting budget set at average you are most likely only going to notice the new scouting reports on 1/1 or whenever your preseason begins when OSA and your scouts force scouting. Although scouts do try to scout every few months if you are not spending much on scouting you may not get new reports from opening day or when the draft pool is announced for draftees until the offseason. It looks like ratings change drastically then but in reality the drastic change is simply because your now 9 month old scouting report is updated. With more money being spent on scouts I have not noticed drastic changes and changes seem to happen any time. I spent the minimum on scouting my first season in the new league and it seemed like in the off season my CY Young starter went to bullpen fodder. My guess is his curveball and other ratings declined a little more gradually and I just did not know it. Then again he also just turned 38 so I am not sure if something happens near certain birthdays where players take a big decline depending on how their age profile was set up when created.

07-13-2010, 05:27 PM	#4
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	To more directly address your question I think it is tough to say when ratings decline or increase the most. My understanding is each player is created with a sort of age profile that determines how much age will affect ratings. In a sense they have a development profile too. The better the potential generally the fast they develop. Therefore, project players can be serviceable major league players but are unlikely to be stars. I say unlikely because there is a random talent change element too. This all means you have some guys like David Wells, Nolan Ryan, and Craig Biggio who will retain decent ratings in their 40's and some will burn out in their 30's. So when the ratings drop off happens is somewhat unique to each player. The same goes for when ratings change the most. Talented rookies might see big ratings jumps at 19 or 21. Average players may not get a big jump until 23 or 24. That is what makes when to give up on players hard. By 25 you can tell if a guy is going to be a star or not usually but what you can't tell easily is if he is going to an average player, a bench warmer, or minor league filler. Too many guys will be at points where they can still go either way. There just really isn't an easy answer for this. Development also depends on coaches if they are on. Better managers, hitting coaches, and pitching coaches will develop players better. So a guy developing fast in A might slow down if your AA hitting coach sucks air. There does not really seem to be a point in the season when development kicks in and it is unique to each player.