More injury data on realistic (modern) setting--1902

mtw · 06-19-2010, 11:44 PM

Following up on a recent topic. I'll stick to just raw data this time instead. Data is number of injuries during the regular season while playing on realistic setting.

1901 (2464 team games):

Day to Day
Pitchers 17 injuries /Position players 81 injuries

Less than 2 weeks
Pitchers 12/Position players 26

2 to 4 weeks
Pitchers 9/Position players 74

More than 4 weeks to 2 months
Pitchers 1/Position players 45

More than 2 months
Pitchers 12/Position players 15

1902 (through 350 team games):

Day to Day
Pitchers 2 injuries /Position players 8 injuries

Less than 2 weeks
Pitchers 1/Position players 12

2 to 4 weeks
Pitchers 0/Position players 11

More than 4 weeks to 2 months
Pitchers 0/Position players 2

More than 2 months
Pitchers 1/Position players 3

Only in-game injuries are counted (no off-field injuries).

For year 2, the one pitcher injury of less than two weeks actually came while running the bases, not pitching. One of the two pitcher day-to-day injuries came while throwing a ball fielding, not pitching. That means only one pitcher went on the DL in the first month for a pitching injury, and that injury was a 2+ month injury.

For year 1, of the pitcher injuries incurred for reasons other than pitching, 1 was day-to day, 5 were 2 to 4 weeks, 1 was 4 weeks to 2 months, and 1 was more than 2 months. If you remove those injuries from the pitchers injuries in 1901, what is left is:

Day to Day: 16 injuries
Less than 2 weeks: 12
2 week to 4 weeks: 4
More than 4 weeks up to 2 months: 0
More than 2 months: 11

Of 16 teams playing a 154-game schedule, only 15 pitchers went to the DL for pitching-related injuries. Of those, 11 had major injuries landing them on the DL for more than 2 months. Over the same span 134 injuries were suffered by position players which landed them on the DL.

Obviously I don't know if this is intentional. Maybe this was realistic for a 1901 season. However, I haven't seen any info about season-specific realistic injury totals in OOTP. I believe the injury settings affect any season the same way.

And given that only 1 pitcher has gone to the DL for a pitching injury in the first month of 1902, I don't think 1901 was a fluke.

Does anyone else have any data to share? I mean to post this as a bug, but I'd like to know if others have seen the same thing.

mtw · 06-25-2010, 02:03 AM

99 players currently on the real-life MLB DL with injuries suffered since the season began. Of those 46 are pitchers with pitching-related injuries (51 total pitchers), and of those 33 have injuries that appear to be in no danger of keeping them out as long as 2 months.

Based only on my memory following baseball the last several years, this strikes me as a normal season.

And this is just a one-day-during-the-season snapshot of the current DL.

Conversely, in my OOTP 11.1.8 experience so far--7 months of regular season with injuries set on Realistic Modern Day--exactly four pitchers have suffered a pitching injury that has put them on the DL for less than 2 months. Even acknowledging that my league has roughly one-quarter the pitchers (by total positions available) of current MLB (16 teams at 6 pitchers per team vs 30 teams at 12 pitchers per team), based on the current MLB DL, and even if injuries in 2010 are twice as frequent as normal, two months into the season I would expect to see 4 or 5 pitchers in my league on the DL with pitching injuries that will keep them out less than 2 months. Certainly I should see more than 4 in 7 months, and at least some that are of a 4 week to 2 month variety.

Since position players injuries seem reasonable, if a bit heavy with serious injuries and light with short duration injuries (1 - 7 days), I don't want to play at the very high setting.

Unless OOTP 11.1.8 actually calculates injuries based on the specific season or era, I'd really like to see this fixed. Because the setting is 'Realistic Modern Day', I presume that year-specific or era specific (other than modern day) injuries is not the case.

Although I know others were dissatisfied with injury settings in prior versions, this is the first time I've felt I couldn't achieve some semblance of realism with injuries since OOTP 3.

injury log · 06-25-2010, 07:29 AM

That sounds strange. I didn't see anything at all similar to your results during beta testing, but I haven't run any tests with the recent patch. It was my understanding that little was changed with injury frequency in the new version of the game, so results like those you're seeing shouldn't be happening. If other people are experiencing the same thing, it's clearly a bug, and should be reported. However, if you are using a custom injuries.txt file, that could easily explain your results.

Biggio509 · 06-25-2010, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtw

Unless OOTP 11.1.8 actually calculates injuries based on the specific season or era, I'd really like to see this fixed. Because the setting is 'Realistic Modern Day', I presume that year-specific or era specific (other than modern day) injuries is not the case.

It does not do that. Realistic modern day is realistic for the 2000's it does not adjust to 1901. However, if you import the year settings it will set the injury level that is appropriate for the era. For instance importing 1871 gives you a low injury rating. There is not a specific injury setting for each year. The options from very low to realistic change over time in a historical game.

GMLoophole · 06-25-2010, 02:03 PM

in an ongoing demonstration of ridiculous injury levels, I bring you the Express Baseball League: BNN Home Page

My Yankees have lost Vazquez, Joel Pineiro, and Odalis Perez for 12 months.

kckid4u · 06-25-2010, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMLoophole

in an ongoing demonstration of ridiculous injury levels, I bring you the Express Baseball League: BNN Home Page

My Yankees have lost Vazquez, Joel Pineiro, and Odalis Perez for 12 months.

I don't see any injuries for Joel Pineiro according to his player page and Perez's injury was only 4 months.

mtw · 06-26-2010, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by injury log

However, if you are using a custom injuries.txt file, that could easily explain your results.

I'm using the default file.

06-19-2010, 11:44 PM	#1
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	Injuries on High (Realistic Modern Day) setting unrealistic Following up on a recent topic. I'll stick to just raw data this time instead. Data is number of injuries during the regular season while playing on realistic setting. 1901 (2464 team games): Day to Day Pitchers 17 injuries /Position players 81 injuries Less than 2 weeks Pitchers 12/Position players 26 2 to 4 weeks Pitchers 9/Position players 74 More than 4 weeks to 2 months Pitchers 1/Position players 45 More than 2 months Pitchers 12/Position players 15 1902 (through 350 team games): Day to Day Pitchers 2 injuries /Position players 8 injuries Less than 2 weeks Pitchers 1/Position players 12 2 to 4 weeks Pitchers 0/Position players 11 More than 4 weeks to 2 months Pitchers 0/Position players 2 More than 2 months Pitchers 1/Position players 3 Only in-game injuries are counted (no off-field injuries). For year 2, the one pitcher injury of less than two weeks actually came while running the bases, not pitching. One of the two pitcher day-to-day injuries came while throwing a ball fielding, not pitching. That means only one pitcher went on the DL in the first month for a pitching injury, and that injury was a 2+ month injury. For year 1, of the pitcher injuries incurred for reasons other than pitching, 1 was day-to day, 5 were 2 to 4 weeks, 1 was 4 weeks to 2 months, and 1 was more than 2 months. If you remove those injuries from the pitchers injuries in 1901, what is left is: Day to Day: 16 injuries Less than 2 weeks: 12 2 week to 4 weeks: 4 More than 4 weeks up to 2 months: 0 More than 2 months: 11 Of 16 teams playing a 154-game schedule, only 15 pitchers went to the DL for pitching-related injuries. Of those, 11 had major injuries landing them on the DL for more than 2 months. Over the same span 134 injuries were suffered by position players which landed them on the DL. Obviously I don't know if this is intentional. Maybe this was realistic for a 1901 season. However, I haven't seen any info about season-specific realistic injury totals in OOTP. I believe the injury settings affect any season the same way. And given that only 1 pitcher has gone to the DL for a pitching injury in the first month of 1902, I don't think 1901 was a fluke. Does anyone else have any data to share? I mean to post this as a bug, but I'd like to know if others have seen the same thing. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist Last edited by mtw; 06-25-2010 at 01:37 AM.

06-25-2010, 02:03 AM	#2
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	99 players currently on the real-life MLB DL with injuries suffered since the season began. Of those 46 are pitchers with pitching-related injuries (51 total pitchers), and of those 33 have injuries that appear to be in no danger of keeping them out as long as 2 months. Based only on my memory following baseball the last several years, this strikes me as a normal season. And this is just a one-day-during-the-season snapshot of the current DL. Conversely, in my OOTP 11.1.8 experience so far--7 months of regular season with injuries set on Realistic Modern Day--exactly four pitchers have suffered a pitching injury that has put them on the DL for less than 2 months. Even acknowledging that my league has roughly one-quarter the pitchers (by total positions available) of current MLB (16 teams at 6 pitchers per team vs 30 teams at 12 pitchers per team), based on the current MLB DL, and even if injuries in 2010 are twice as frequent as normal, two months into the season I would expect to see 4 or 5 pitchers in my league on the DL with pitching injuries that will keep them out less than 2 months. Certainly I should see more than 4 in 7 months, and at least some that are of a 4 week to 2 month variety. Since position players injuries seem reasonable, if a bit heavy with serious injuries and light with short duration injuries (1 - 7 days), I don't want to play at the very high setting. Unless OOTP 11.1.8 actually calculates injuries based on the specific season or era, I'd really like to see this fixed. Because the setting is 'Realistic Modern Day', I presume that year-specific or era specific (other than modern day) injuries is not the case. Although I know others were dissatisfied with injury settings in prior versions, this is the first time I've felt I couldn't achieve some semblance of realism with injuries since OOTP 3. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist Last edited by mtw; 06-26-2010 at 01:15 AM. Reason: Incorrect data--4 pitchers with DL injuries < 2 months

06-25-2010, 02:03 PM	#5
GMLoophole All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 863	For those of you interested in an ongoing demonstration of ridiculous injury levels, I bring you the Express Baseball League: BNN Home Page My Yankees have lost Vazquez, Joel Pineiro, and Odalis Perez for 12 months.

06-25-2010, 07:29 AM	#3
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	That sounds strange. I didn't see anything at all similar to your results during beta testing, but I haven't run any tests with the recent patch. It was my understanding that little was changed with injury frequency in the new version of the game, so results like those you're seeing shouldn't be happening. If other people are experiencing the same thing, it's clearly a bug, and should be reported. However, if you are using a custom injuries.txt file, that could easily explain your results.