Too many 100 mph pitchers?

GmOfTheYear · 06-13-2010, 01:21 AM

7 of my 12 pitchers can throw 99 or faster. 4 of those 7 are starters.

Now I did adjust the player creation modifiers to 1.0 default because I saw some were a little lower than default. But could that be the reason these guys are throwing so hard? Or with is this something everyone has noticed?

Also I'm not sure if the league as a whole has too many 100 mph pitchers or if its because i just look out for the 100 mph pitchers.(Which I dont I just look for pitchers who have a low era.

I wasnt even trying to get 100 mph pitchers but after about 18 years deep in the franchise i look and see all these guys with rare top 1 percent arms.

This isn't a game killer but I'm hoping this could be fixed in the next version.

nymets3000 · 06-13-2010, 01:32 AM

Even if it says they can throw 100 mph or close to 100 mph, in a game, they usually throw a few mph slower. What you're seeing is their "max". There still might be a problem though, don't have real life data or ootp data to check.

kehowey · 06-13-2010, 01:44 AM

I play a fictional league and have all my player creation modifiers set at the default of 1.000. I have also noticed too many with 100 MPH/ high velocity pitchers.

endgame · 06-13-2010, 01:44 AM

I'm not sure there's enough information to even consider it needs fixed. 7 of your 12 are flamethrowers, or rumoured to be. How about the rest of the league? Percentages? Are you, inadvertantly, collecting them?

How young? Where'd they come from? What are the pitching coaches like? Do you use them? How about trainers? Small influences, but I like to know as many details as I can gather.

Most pertinent to me is the overall distribution the league at all levels, starting with the majors of course. Oh, and are we talking fictional? I see your posts all the time, but I'm not remembering what style you play. Sorry.

It'll affect K numbers with each pitcher via their Stuff, so let's also take a look (18 yrs in) at how your K numbers compare as a league average over those years. It won't be able to tell us anything about real velocity or velocity development, but it should allow us an indicator about Stuff.

Let's hear a little more, but thanks for continuing to share your discoveries. These aren't the same guys that you "maxed out potentials" for in the minors are they?

GmOfTheYear · 06-13-2010, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by endgame

I'm not sure there's enough information to even consider it needs fixed. 7 of your 12 are flamethrowers, or rumoured to be. How about the rest of the league? Percentages? Are you, inadvertantly, collecting them?

How young? Where'd they come from? What are the pitching coaches like? Do you use them? How about trainers? Small influences, but I like to know as many details as I can gather.

Most pertinent to me is the overall distribution the league at all levels, starting with the majors of course. Oh, and are we talking fictional? I see your posts all the time, but I'm not remembering what style you play. Sorry.

It'll affect K numbers with each pitcher via their Stuff, so let's also take a look (18 yrs in) at how your K numbers compare as a league average over those years. It won't be able to tell us anything about real velocity or velocity development, but it should allow us an indicator about Stuff.

Let's hear a little more, but thanks for continuing to share your discoveries. These aren't the same guys that you "maxed out potentials" for in the minors are they?

Age range is from 23-33. I would say almost all of them are from highschool. I have turned coaches off so I only have a scout. I started with the latest default rosters from year 2010 in year 2028 now so i guess its fictional.

I didn't notice any thing significant with strikeouts in the historical simulation accuracy. The stats seem fine just the velocity of pitchers seem to be too high.

I of course took it slow with all of these pitchers forcing them to do a year and a half minimum in triple a.

I think whats going on is the highschool players velocity increases too much causing guys from highschool who thew 94-96 to throw 99-101. When I highly doubt these guys who throw 94-96 are going to throw in the 100s even as they develop.

nymets3000 · 06-13-2010, 02:27 AM

Does velocity even really increase? I'm not sure it should past age 18 or 19, if anything it should decrease as pitchers age even in their early-mid 20s

endgame · 06-13-2010, 02:38 AM

FYI, in my fictional league, majors, out of 762 pitchers, I have 14 that can hit 100mph. Three of those are 101+. Dropping to my High School Academy League, there are 3 of 356. Again, all pitchers of all roles. This is a first year league so you may, in fact, be seeing something in long term development that I've not yet experienced. On the other hand, there is a presence of 100mph pitchers, even though it's 3-6, at every league level, including Rookie, Short Season, etc... with 14 of 374 in my AAA Journeyman League. It may, even in my early world, be a bit overstated.

Now, to what end? To what effect?

RchW · 06-13-2010, 03:11 AM

I have 31 of 400 MLB level pitchers that fit your description. That's one per team (a 30 team MLB set up). However note that about 1/3 of them are mediocre at best (overall rating 50 or less). When you filter for SP, only 8 are starters.

Like endgame says you need some perspective. If you have 7 per team then it doesn't matter. If you have all 7 in the league then no wonder you are "GM of the Year".

Why don't you do a filtered search like I did.

I wanted to post a screenshot but my computer freezes every time I try.

Oops now it works

Left-handed Badger · 06-13-2010, 03:35 AM

One thing I do have to mention. There seems to be more and more guys who reach into the high 90s in real life than there used to be 10-15 years ago.

And I have heard of players in the minors getting extra velocity by making the mechanics more efficient or some such adjustment. And sometimes people grow in their 20s. I picked up an inch and half on my height in my mid-20s somewhere or other.

KBLover · 06-13-2010, 10:03 AM

Seems like I have a lot of 99-101 or better pitchers in my league. Seems like they are everywhere in the draft so, presumably, they are all over the teams too.

I'll try a search later on.

GmOfTheYear · 06-13-2010, 01:26 PM

I found 70 players in my league who throw 98-100 or faster.

Anyone know how many there are in the default roster?

GmOfTheYear · 06-13-2010, 01:46 PM

I found only 3 who could throw 100 mph in the default rosters.(Broxton chapman and morillo) They have zumaya at 97-99 when hes really 100+

KBLover · 06-13-2010, 03:05 PM

(Scouting turned off temporarily for this search)

In my newest league that's in it's second season (Spring Training in 2nd season) has:

26 pitchers at the ML level who touch 100 (98-100 or better)
8 pitchers at the AAA level who touch 100
4 pitchers at the AA level who touch 100
15 pitchers at the A level who touch 100

So 52 pitchers total. There's 24 teams at the ML level and each minor league level for a total of 96 teams.

52 pitchers in 96 teams. (1 per 1.84 teams)

At the college (200 teams) and HS level (400 teams)

76 pitchers at the College level
43 pitchers at the HS level

119 pitchers in 600 teams. (1 per 5.04 teams)

171 pitchers in 696 teams (1 per 4.1 teams)

In my older league (April of 8th season, so before that year's entry draft) all pitchers who touch 100 (98-100 MPH or better)

46 pitchers at the ML level
30 pitchers at the AAA level
23 pitchers at the AA level
8 pitchers at the A level

107 pitchers in 96 teams. (1 per 0.93 teams)

At the college (48 teams) and HS level (80 teams)

9 players at the college level
12 players at the high school level

21 pitchers in 128 teams. (1 per 6.1 teams)

Major drop off to be sure - and I wonder why.

Total: 138 pitchers in 224 teams (1 per 1.62 teams)

Yep, I thought I saw a lot of such pitchers in my leagues, especially in my older one, though it looks like that rate will go down a lot if the college/HS numbers are any indication.

GmOfTheYear · 06-17-2010, 02:59 PM

So can this be adjusted through a patch? And can I adjust some settings to make it where it doesnt have 70 guys throwing 100 mph?

phenom · 06-17-2010, 03:11 PM

There can never be too many pitchers who throw 100+ mph.

Signed,

Dave Dombrowski

Splitter24 · 06-17-2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GmOfTheYear

I found only 3 who could throw 100 mph in the default rosters.(Broxton chapman and morillo) They have zumaya at 97-99 when hes really 100+

Daniel Bard of the Red Sox hits 100mph a few times per game.

phenom · 06-17-2010, 03:49 PM

Justin Verlander went 99-99-99-99-101-99 on consecutive pitches last night. In the 7th inning.

kckid4u · 06-18-2010, 01:28 AM

Sports Illustrated did a story on a guy named Sidd Finch the New York Mets scouted that could throw like 160 MPH. That was back around 1985 or so.

Hmmm, whatever happened to him I wonder?

damientheomen3 · 06-18-2010, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kckid4u

Sports Illustrated did a story on a guy the New York Mets scouted that could throw like 130 MPH. That was back around 1982 or so.

Hmmm, whatever happened to him I wonder?

He was victimized by what I call 'the Mets effect'.

conception · 06-18-2010, 01:45 AM

If we're going to list guys who were in the 100 MPH range IRL, Matt Lindstrom fits that, or at least he did two years ago. This is one thing that can actually very fluid IRL, and I'm not sure if the game really changes pitch speeds throughout a pitcher's career, nor do I think I would want it changing all the time if it doesn't already do that. Still, its incredible just how many pitchers have lost a couple MPH off their fastball in the early years of their career, while other guys are filling out their frames and adding.

06-13-2010, 01:21 AM	#1
GmOfTheYear Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 402	Too many 100 mph pitchers? 7 of my 12 pitchers can throw 99 or faster. 4 of those 7 are starters. Now I did adjust the player creation modifiers to 1.0 default because I saw some were a little lower than default. But could that be the reason these guys are throwing so hard? Or with is this something everyone has noticed? Also I'm not sure if the league as a whole has too many 100 mph pitchers or if its because i just look out for the 100 mph pitchers.(Which I dont I just look for pitchers who have a low era. I wasnt even trying to get 100 mph pitchers but after about 18 years deep in the franchise i look and see all these guys with rare top 1 percent arms. This isn't a game killer but I'm hoping this could be fixed in the next version.

06-13-2010, 01:44 AM	#4
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	I'm not sure there's enough information to even consider it needs fixed. 7 of your 12 are flamethrowers, or rumoured to be. How about the rest of the league? Percentages? Are you, inadvertantly, collecting them? How young? Where'd they come from? What are the pitching coaches like? Do you use them? How about trainers? Small influences, but I like to know as many details as I can gather. Most pertinent to me is the overall distribution the league at all levels, starting with the majors of course. Oh, and are we talking fictional? I see your posts all the time, but I'm not remembering what style you play. Sorry. It'll affect K numbers with each pitcher via their Stuff, so let's also take a look (18 yrs in) at how your K numbers compare as a league average over those years. It won't be able to tell us anything about real velocity or velocity development, but it should allow us an indicator about Stuff. Let's hear a little more, but thanks for continuing to share your discoveries. These aren't the same guys that you "maxed out potentials" for in the minors are they? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________ Last edited by endgame; 06-13-2010 at 01:46 AM.

06-13-2010, 02:38 AM	#7
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	FYI, in my fictional league, majors, out of 762 pitchers, I have 14 that can hit 100mph. Three of those are 101+. Dropping to my High School Academy League, there are 3 of 356. Again, all pitchers of all roles. This is a first year league so you may, in fact, be seeing something in long term development that I've not yet experienced. On the other hand, there is a presence of 100mph pitchers, even though it's 3-6, at every league level, including Rookie, Short Season, etc... with 14 of 374 in my AAA Journeyman League. It may, even in my early world, be a bit overstated. Now, to what end? To what effect? __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

06-13-2010, 03:11 AM	#8
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I have 31 of 400 MLB level pitchers that fit your description. That's one per team (a 30 team MLB set up). However note that about 1/3 of them are mediocre at best (overall rating 50 or less). When you filter for SP, only 8 are starters. Like endgame says you need some perspective. If you have 7 per team then it doesn't matter. If you have all 7 in the league then no wonder you are "GM of the Year". Why don't you do a filtered search like I did. I wanted to post a screenshot but my computer freezes every time I try. Oops now it works Attached Images __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit Last edited by RchW; 06-13-2010 at 03:15 AM.

06-13-2010, 03:35 AM	#9
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	One thing I do have to mention. There seems to be more and more guys who reach into the high 90s in real life than there used to be 10-15 years ago. And I have heard of players in the minors getting extra velocity by making the mechanics more efficient or some such adjustment. And sometimes people grow in their 20s. I picked up an inch and half on my height in my mid-20s somewhere or other. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

06-13-2010, 01:32 AM	#2
nymets3000 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 178	Even if it says they can throw 100 mph or close to 100 mph, in a game, they usually throw a few mph slower. What you're seeing is their "max". There still might be a problem though, don't have real life data or ootp data to check.

06-13-2010, 01:44 AM	#3
kehowey Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 327	I play a fictional league and have all my player creation modifiers set at the default of 1.000. I have also noticed too many with 100 MPH/ high velocity pitchers.

06-13-2010, 02:27 AM	#6
nymets3000 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 178	Does velocity even really increase? I'm not sure it should past age 18 or 19, if anything it should decrease as pitchers age even in their early-mid 20s

06-13-2010, 10:03 AM	#10
KBLover All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 580	Seems like I have a lot of 99-101 or better pitchers in my league. Seems like they are everywhere in the draft so, presumably, they are all over the teams too. I'll try a search later on.

06-13-2010, 01:26 PM	#11
GmOfTheYear Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 402	I found 70 players in my league who throw 98-100 or faster. Anyone know how many there are in the default roster? Last edited by GmOfTheYear; 06-13-2010 at 01:33 PM.

06-13-2010, 01:46 PM	#12
GmOfTheYear Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 402	I found only 3 who could throw 100 mph in the default rosters.(Broxton chapman and morillo) They have zumaya at 97-99 when hes really 100+

06-13-2010, 03:05 PM	#13
KBLover All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 580	(Scouting turned off temporarily for this search) In my newest league that's in it's second season (Spring Training in 2nd season) has: 26 pitchers at the ML level who touch 100 (98-100 or better) 8 pitchers at the AAA level who touch 100 4 pitchers at the AA level who touch 100 15 pitchers at the A level who touch 100 So 52 pitchers total. There's 24 teams at the ML level and each minor league level for a total of 96 teams. 52 pitchers in 96 teams. (1 per 1.84 teams) At the college (200 teams) and HS level (400 teams) 76 pitchers at the College level 43 pitchers at the HS level 119 pitchers in 600 teams. (1 per 5.04 teams) 171 pitchers in 696 teams (1 per 4.1 teams) In my older league (April of 8th season, so before that year's entry draft) all pitchers who touch 100 (98-100 MPH or better) 46 pitchers at the ML level 30 pitchers at the AAA level 23 pitchers at the AA level 8 pitchers at the A level 107 pitchers in 96 teams. (1 per 0.93 teams) At the college (48 teams) and HS level (80 teams) 9 players at the college level 12 players at the high school level 21 pitchers in 128 teams. (1 per 6.1 teams) Major drop off to be sure - and I wonder why. Total: 138 pitchers in 224 teams (1 per 1.62 teams) Yep, I thought I saw a lot of such pitchers in my leagues, especially in my older one, though it looks like that rate will go down a lot if the college/HS numbers are any indication. Last edited by KBLover; 06-13-2010 at 03:11 PM. Reason: added ratios

06-17-2010, 02:59 PM	#14
GmOfTheYear Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 402	So can this be adjusted through a patch? And can I adjust some settings to make it where it doesnt have 70 guys throwing 100 mph?

06-17-2010, 03:11 PM	#15
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,768	There can never be too many pitchers who throw 100+ mph. Signed, Dave Dombrowski __________________ reported

06-17-2010, 03:49 PM	#17
phenom Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Near the Great Wall. On the GOOD side. Posts: 3,768	Justin Verlander went 99-99-99-99-101-99 on consecutive pitches last night. In the 7th inning. __________________ reported

06-18-2010, 01:28 AM	#18
kckid4u All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pictured Above: Buck Barnett - Best Pitcher in OOTP History! Posts: 957	Sports Illustrated did a story on a guy named Sidd Finch the New York Mets scouted that could throw like 160 MPH. That was back around 1985 or so. Hmmm, whatever happened to him I wonder? Last edited by kckid4u; 06-18-2010 at 01:30 AM.

06-18-2010, 01:45 AM	#20
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	If we're going to list guys who were in the 100 MPH range IRL, Matt Lindstrom fits that, or at least he did two years ago. This is one thing that can actually very fluid IRL, and I'm not sure if the game really changes pitch speeds throughout a pitcher's career, nor do I think I would want it changing all the time if it doesn't already do that. Still, its incredible just how many pitchers have lost a couple MPH off their fastball in the early years of their career, while other guys are filling out their frames and adding.