Do you turn off the dynamic league?

Libid21 · 04-16-2010, 11:39 PM

I'm wondering if I should keep this off or turn it back on... I'm trying to play a realistic major league game but I'm worried about some of these 'dynamic effects' like the amount of time a player has before he turns into a FA after being brought up - 0 years? I saw that and was immediately scared off.

molarmite · 04-16-2010, 11:42 PM

It's the only reason I'm doing a fictional league. I've tried and tried before but never got into it but this is really helping me. Then again, I didn't spend 10 hours trying to get my league perfect, I just want to be spontaneous with it so it all depends on what you want to do.

RandyTiger · 04-16-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Libid21

I'm wondering if I should keep this off or turn it back on... I'm trying to play a realistic major league game but I'm worried about some of these 'dynamic effects' like the amount of time a player has before he turns into a FA after being brought up - 0 years? I saw that and was immediately scared off.

You can always adjust problems like that by using commish mode and resetting the values.

What Molarmite said the feature keeping interest going in a fictional league for him is right on target for me as well.

RchW · 04-17-2010, 12:18 AM

I may get into this feature later on, but for now it's turned off.

mm7607 · 04-17-2010, 01:23 AM

Off. last thing I want is the game changing to Warriors to the Mountain Goats.

DerekT · 04-17-2010, 02:12 AM

I think it should be mentioned that you can set what changes can occur in the options menu.

You can play the game with expansions and relocations but can keep all the other rules the same.

Muzamba · 04-17-2010, 02:13 AM

Yeah, this is really the only major new feature I'm not interested in using, and that's because I'm one of those guys that spends hours (ok, actually more like days, weeks, or even months) setting up my leagues. So I don't like the idea of having new teams added and rules changed arbitrarily.

However, I could see this option be more palatable in the future IF eventually the changes are more realistic and are based on economic factors or possibly scenarios set into motion via the storyline engine. I'd also like to see better logic used to determine expansion locations and choices of nicknames. (Already have an idea for this, which I will be pushing for a patch or for v12.

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Having said all of this, I think the only way I would truly enjoy dynamically-evolving leagues would be if they worked for MLB leagues. I don't like to relinquish control, but it's a little easier if I feel like I'm watching something that someone else has set into motion.

norva13x · 04-17-2010, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mm7607

Off. last thing I want is the game changing to Warriors to the Mountain Goats.

You can edit it. Like if in my league a team renamed themselves, then I will edit it to a new name that I like, it's a win-win for me.

Le Grande Orange · 04-17-2010, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

However, I could see this option be more palatable in the future IF eventually the changes are more realistic and are based on economic factors or possibly scenarios set into motion via the storyline engine. I'd also like to see better logic used to determine expansion locations and choices of nicknames. (Already have an idea for this, which I will be pushing for a patch or for v12.

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Me too. Probably bigger ideas.

wildcatrevival · 04-17-2010, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

Having said all of this, I think the only way I would truly enjoy dynamically-evolving leagues would be if they worked for MLB leagues. I don't like to relinquish control, but it's a little easier if I feel like I'm watching something that someone else has set into motion.

I keep seeing people say that the dynamic evolution doesnt work for MLB leagues which is not entirely accurate as I understand it. It seems to not work for MLB quickstarts but if you go through the normal start-up mode and click on the Major American League, the dynamic evolution option is available.

ctorg · 04-17-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Muzamba

Yeah, this is really the only major new feature I'm not interested in using, and that's because I'm one of those guys that spends hours (ok, actually more like days, weeks, or even months) setting up my leagues. So I don't like the idea of having new teams added and rules changed arbitrarily.

However, I could see this option be more palatable in the future IF eventually the changes are more realistic and are based on economic factors or possibly scenarios set into motion via the storyline engine. I'd also like to see better logic used to determine expansion locations and choices of nicknames. (Already have an idea for this, which I will be pushing for a patch or for v12.

)

Having said all of this, I think the only way I would truly enjoy dynamically-evolving leagues would be if they worked for MLB leagues. I don't like to relinquish control, but it's a little easier if I feel like I'm watching something that someone else has set into motion.

I actually spent almost the whole time I had OOTPX setting up a league that I never got a chance to play. It just took me too long to get it all worked out. The setup is often the best part.

That said, I am actually interested in this feature but I have a feeling I won't quite like it for similar reasons. If there is going to be expansion and renaming going on, I want it to be realistic. I think using the storyline engine makes a lot of sense for the future - one could set a huge number of possibilities and time ranges for them to occur (e.g. there wouldn't likely be an expansion team in Arizona in 1950, but obviously in later years there would be). Which of these happen, if any, would be random within certain parameters that could be set.

A very good idea that probably needs to be developed more before it is truly useful to meticulous people like me.

Difar · 04-18-2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

I actually spent almost the whole time I had OOTPX setting up a league that I never got a chance to play. It just took me too long to get it all worked out. The setup is often the best part.

That said, I am actually interested in this feature but I have a feeling I won't quite like it for similar reasons. If there is going to be expansion and renaming going on, I want it to be realistic. I think using the storyline engine makes a lot of sense for the future - one could set a huge number of possibilities and time ranges for them to occur (e.g. there wouldn't likely be an expansion team in Arizona in 1950, but obviously in later years there would be). Which of these happen, if any, would be random within certain parameters that could be set.

A very good idea that probably needs to be developed more before it is truly useful to meticulous people like me.

Like everybody else on this post, I too have spent hours (ok, maybe days) on setting up my league (starting in 1871). So with the option to have a dynamic setting in play, I plan on running the league on one computer with it off (based on rl play), and on another with it on.
So this should be interesting, to say the least.

ctorg · 04-19-2010, 11:42 AM

I've done a couple of tests with it and it doesn't seem to do divisional realignment or anything, just team movement and nicknames. Also, though I had everything checked, it didn't make a huge number of changes. I simmed 110 years, and only four teams were added. There were minor rule adjustments to lengths of DFA, FA requirement time, etc.

It all struck me as pretty random.

A lot of potential here, but I don't think it's realized yet.

iggyhood · 04-19-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Difar

Like everybody else on this post, I too have spent hours (ok, maybe days) on setting up my league (starting in 1871). So with the option to have a dynamic setting in play, I plan on running the league on one computer with it off (based on rl play), and on another with it on.
So this should be interesting, to say the least.

You mean theres a game we are supposed to play too??

I thought the whole idea was setting up amazing league structures/compiling the logos and jerseys and then never getting to play them!! Or is that just me??!!

conception · 04-19-2010, 12:29 PM

I find the feature interesting, but for me the only league that I have completely resurrected/converted to run on my new PC with OOTP 11 is a league with a very particular structure, as each team represents a country. So auto-expansion and team relocation is turned off, because they simply wouldn't match what my league already has in place. But I am using more/less offense and pitching, as I've always wanted a feature like that but with a fictional that you don't want starting in 1900, having league fluctuation was something that was more random than anything else.

If I convert my old fictional universe, the automatic expansion and relocation would go great, as it is more of an MLB type set-up. I would definitely be using it.

megamanmatt · 04-19-2010, 12:54 PM

I keep some options on, like more or less offense, schedule length, DL length, deciding whether to use a DH or not, all the time. Others like expansion and relocation I turn on for 10 - 15 years then turn it off for another 10 - 15.

chanman · 04-19-2010, 01:10 PM

I like it because I used to always do all this stuff manually but now I feel like its more fun having no idea exactly what will happen.

mrskippy · 04-19-2010, 01:17 PM

Yeah, in my first league, after the first year -- in 2011 -- the Pirates moved to Jacksonville. They were renamed the Dynamite. One would think that the Pirates would be the last team to move, since they have a newish ballpark and all. Still, I think it was a cool thing.

The first expansion gave teams to Columbus and Indianapolis. Columbus was named the Protectors, which I thought was cool. Indianpolis got the Porpoises, which was lame. I took over Columbus and moved them to Montreal, eventually being fired and hired by Oakland, where I now have won some championships.

I think relocation needs to be setup like in FOF, where you have to propose a new stadium in your city/region first, with a move coming later, as part of it.

Also, the relocation should account for teams with the greatest possibility of relocation -- the A's for starters.

megamanmatt · 04-19-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mrskippy

I think relocation needs to be setup like in FOF, where you have to propose a new stadium in your city/region first, with a move coming later, as part of it.

Would need a better system of financials before that would work. At least work well enough to the point everyone wouldn't be complaining about it.

Icy · 04-19-2010, 01:41 PM

I have everything disabled but expansion and relocation, that i think are the only two events that could realistically happen in the next years, still with a low probability anyway.

I disabled the changes to any of the rules as i would hate a drastic and unrealistic change of those.

04-16-2010, 11:39 PM	#1
Libid21 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 540	Do you turn off the dynamic league? I'm wondering if I should keep this off or turn it back on... I'm trying to play a realistic major league game but I'm worried about some of these 'dynamic effects' like the amount of time a player has before he turns into a FA after being brought up - 0 years? I saw that and was immediately scared off.

04-16-2010, 11:42 PM	#2
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,922	It's the only reason I'm doing a fictional league. I've tried and tried before but never got into it but this is really helping me. Then again, I didn't spend 10 hours trying to get my league perfect, I just want to be spontaneous with it so it all depends on what you want to do. __________________ From the wise mind of Davey Eckstein "Now all you need is a signature. A quote or initial, perhaps." [

04-17-2010, 12:18 AM	#4
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ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I've done a couple of tests with it and it doesn't seem to do divisional realignment or anything, just team movement and nicknames. Also, though I had everything checked, it didn't make a huge number of changes. I simmed 110 years, and only four teams were added. There were minor rule adjustments to lengths of DFA, FA requirement time, etc. It all struck me as pretty random. A lot of potential here, but I don't think it's realized yet. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

04-19-2010, 12:54 PM	#16
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	I keep some options on, like more or less offense, schedule length, DL length, deciding whether to use a DH or not, all the time. Others like expansion and relocation I turn on for 10 - 15 years then turn it off for another 10 - 15. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

04-17-2010, 01:23 AM	#5
mm7607 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Originally from Fla, now in Ky Posts: 710	Off. last thing I want is the game changing to Warriors to the Mountain Goats.

04-17-2010, 02:12 AM	#6
DerekT Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 246	I think it should be mentioned that you can set what changes can occur in the options menu. You can play the game with expansions and relocations but can keep all the other rules the same.

04-17-2010, 02:13 AM	#7
Muzamba Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,325	Yeah, this is really the only major new feature I'm not interested in using, and that's because I'm one of those guys that spends hours (ok, actually more like days, weeks, or even months) setting up my leagues. So I don't like the idea of having new teams added and rules changed arbitrarily. However, I could see this option be more palatable in the future IF eventually the changes are more realistic and are based on economic factors or possibly scenarios set into motion via the storyline engine. I'd also like to see better logic used to determine expansion locations and choices of nicknames. (Already have an idea for this, which I will be pushing for a patch or for v12. ) Having said all of this, I think the only way I would truly enjoy dynamically-evolving leagues would be if they worked for MLB leagues. I don't like to relinquish control, but it's a little easier if I feel like I'm watching something that someone else has set into motion.

04-19-2010, 12:29 PM	#15
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	I find the feature interesting, but for me the only league that I have completely resurrected/converted to run on my new PC with OOTP 11 is a league with a very particular structure, as each team represents a country. So auto-expansion and team relocation is turned off, because they simply wouldn't match what my league already has in place. But I am using more/less offense and pitching, as I've always wanted a feature like that but with a fictional that you don't want starting in 1900, having league fluctuation was something that was more random than anything else. If I convert my old fictional universe, the automatic expansion and relocation would go great, as it is more of an MLB type set-up. I would definitely be using it.

04-19-2010, 01:10 PM	#17
chanman Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 172	I like it because I used to always do all this stuff manually but now I feel like its more fun having no idea exactly what will happen.

04-19-2010, 01:17 PM	#18
mrskippy All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,011	Yeah, in my first league, after the first year -- in 2011 -- the Pirates moved to Jacksonville. They were renamed the Dynamite. One would think that the Pirates would be the last team to move, since they have a newish ballpark and all. Still, I think it was a cool thing. The first expansion gave teams to Columbus and Indianapolis. Columbus was named the Protectors, which I thought was cool. Indianpolis got the Porpoises, which was lame. I took over Columbus and moved them to Montreal, eventually being fired and hired by Oakland, where I now have won some championships. I think relocation needs to be setup like in FOF, where you have to propose a new stadium in your city/region first, with a move coming later, as part of it. Also, the relocation should account for teams with the greatest possibility of relocation -- the A's for starters.

04-19-2010, 01:41 PM	#20
Icy All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Spain Posts: 704	I have everything disabled but expansion and relocation, that i think are the only two events that could realistically happen in the next years, still with a low probability anyway. I disabled the changes to any of the rules as i would hate a drastic and unrealistic change of those.