PING: Logo Makers - do you ask permission to use logos?

cephasjames · 03-06-2010, 12:05 PM

Logo makers, I'm just curious, when you find a logo/an image to use in your logo creation, do you ask permission to use it? Or do you just use it because it's posted on a very public internet?

ry1220 · 03-06-2010, 12:20 PM

A large number of the logos I make borrow from public domain libraries of clips, yet I've been known to take watermarks off of logos, at like istockphoto for example, as well if I find a really great one. Recently, however, I take images I find, and recreate their likeness in vector format, so I guess that's better than blatant copying.

TribeFanInNC · 03-06-2010, 01:35 PM

I don't mind borrowing logos, though I primarily use them for my own purposes and generally don't distribute them. If I distributed them, I might feel bad. But we aren't using them for profit, so only a little bad.

Gern44 · 03-06-2010, 01:38 PM

I don't profit financially from any work I do, therefore, I don't see any problem with using any logos. That said, I don't think I've ever used a logo from a private site.

cephasjames · 03-06-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gern44

I don't profit financially from any work I do, therefore, I don't see any problem with using any logos. That said, I don't think I've ever used a logo from a private site.

Private site meaning a company or person that creates logos for a living? What about this: Chris Creamer's Sports Logos Community -> Concepts

micropterus58 · 03-06-2010, 03:24 PM

Many logo sites do have disclaimers. They state the logos are for historical purposes and are property of their owners. They also state the logos are not for commercial purposes. Even these sites are ambiguous.

I've been painting cars for NASCAR Racing Season 2003 for years and I do recall a few painters being requested to not use certain logos. On the other hand a few have been asked to paint fictional cars for use in their advertising. Some have even been paid or compensated. A few companies have had competitions to paint their cars, such as Kevin Harvick's Reese's Peanut Butter Cups car. For a while Indy 500 lawyers were very vigilant about using their logos since they had contracts with software companies to use there copyrighted material.

I agree with Gern44 and TribeFanInNC. As long as we respect their property and don't make a profit there should not be any issues. I'll continue to use logos posted on the internet as long as I don't have lawyers trying to send me to prison.

cephasjames · 03-06-2010, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by micropterus58

I agree with Gern44 and TribeFanInNC. As long as we respect their property and don't make a profit there should not be any issues. I'll continue to use logos posted on the internet as long as I don't have lawyers trying to send me to prison.

This is how I feel too.

Athletics17 · 03-06-2010, 08:19 PM

As I was working on the MLB logo project I just completed, I don't know how many time I though about not releasing it to the board. It took of trademark's off logos and wondered what would happen if I violated a law because of the game. I am not distributing them for financial gain, but you never know who you might piss off.

Some of the fonts I bought off letterhead fonts I had to wait until working hours and actually talk to a representative because they are so hardcore about copyright laws. You just never know sometimes.

Gern44 · 03-06-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Private site meaning a company or person that creates logos for a living? What about this: Chris Creamer's Sports Logos Community -> Concepts

Creamers site is an excellent resource. He obviously put a ton of time and effort into it, and my guess is that he did it with the intent that people would use the collect logos. The Concepts page is certainly different from the rest of the site, but I think the fact that he put them out there means he isn't opposed to them being used... as long as its not for profit.

Athletics17 · 03-06-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Gern44

Creamers site is an excellent resource. He obviously put a ton of time and effort into it, and my guess is that he did it with the intent that people would use the collect logos. The Concepts page is certainly different from the rest of the site, but I think the fact that he put them out there means he isn't opposed to them being used... as long as its not for profit.

I am definatley going to donate to his site.

cephasjames · 03-07-2010, 02:02 PM

This is exactly as I suspected so far.

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03-06-2010, 12:05 PM	#1
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TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	I don't mind borrowing logos, though I primarily use them for my own purposes and generally don't distribute them. If I distributed them, I might feel bad. But we aren't using them for profit, so only a little bad. Last edited by TribeFanInNC; 03-07-2010 at 02:01 PM.

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Gern44 All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Plymouth, Ma. Posts: 1,936	I don't profit financially from any work I do, therefore, I don't see any problem with using any logos. That said, I don't think I've ever used a logo from a private site. __________________ Gern44's Blog

03-06-2010, 08:19 PM	#8
Athletics17 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: jackson Hole, Wy Posts: 1,187	As I was working on the MLB logo project I just completed, I don't know how many time I though about not releasing it to the board. It took of trademark's off logos and wondered what would happen if I violated a law because of the game. I am not distributing them for financial gain, but you never know who you might piss off. Some of the fonts I bought off letterhead fonts I had to wait until working hours and actually talk to a representative because they are so hardcore about copyright laws. You just never know sometimes. __________________ Compilation of Uniforms

03-06-2010, 12:20 PM	#2
ry1220 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 818	A large number of the logos I make borrow from public domain libraries of clips, yet I've been known to take watermarks off of logos, at like istockphoto for example, as well if I find a really great one. Recently, however, I take images I find, and recreate their likeness in vector format, so I guess that's better than blatant copying.

03-06-2010, 03:24 PM	#6
micropterus58 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,243	Many logo sites do have disclaimers. They state the logos are for historical purposes and are property of their owners. They also state the logos are not for commercial purposes. Even these sites are ambiguous. I've been painting cars for NASCAR Racing Season 2003 for years and I do recall a few painters being requested to not use certain logos. On the other hand a few have been asked to paint fictional cars for use in their advertising. Some have even been paid or compensated. A few companies have had competitions to paint their cars, such as Kevin Harvick's Reese's Peanut Butter Cups car. For a while Indy 500 lawyers were very vigilant about using their logos since they had contracts with software companies to use there copyrighted material. I agree with Gern44 and TribeFanInNC. As long as we respect their property and don't make a profit there should not be any issues. I'll continue to use logos posted on the internet as long as I don't have lawyers trying to send me to prison.

03-07-2010, 02:02 PM	#11
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	This is exactly as I suspected so far. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys