Historical Database Speed,Stealing,Stuff Ratings

Gambo · 06-21-2009, 12:47 AM

It appears that the game is using the data from the "real" statistics in generating speed, stealing and stuff ratings when generating historical players even in under use "neutralized statistics".

It probably would not be noticed in regular testing as these rating do not fluctuate much between the real and neutralized generation of the player.

This was actually cleared up i believe in OOTP9 but once again is happening in OOTPX. If you need any further clarification let me know.

Spritze · 06-24-2009, 12:36 AM

Some of the components that make up these ratings may not be neutralized by the neutralization process. Not everything was neutered.

battists · 06-30-2009, 07:22 PM

Gambo, I believe this ties into another problem you submitted. In 10.2.16, the correct neutralized stats files are not in the installer file, which is probably why this information is not showing up correctly. We've notified Markus of the issue.

We also have a separate bug logged, 3335. I'm trying to work out if these two problems are part of the same root cause. For now I'll leave this thread open...

Thanks very much,

Steve

Gambo · 07-02-2009, 12:30 AM

Awesome. Like I said previously this was not an issue in OOTP9. Using the two databases within one (e.g. batting and batting2 csvs) allowed for players to be created in custom databases in last years game with no "real" stats since the game used the batting2 etc exclusively when importing players.

However, this year it at least requires an "appropriate" stat line for their debut year to create secondary ratings such as speed and assign the proper position to the player upon creation. This has caused me to actually take a step back in order to make the database workable in OOTPX.

BTW, the "stuff" rating issue I mentioned earlier is not as bad as I thought. I didn't realize that due to the historically higher opposition batting averages for earlier players the stuff ratings a lower across the board the earlier you get. BUT, they are still low w/o the "real" stat line.

battists · 07-16-2009, 11:20 PM

Gambo,

I do believe this ties directly into bug 3335 that I mentioned above, so I'm going to close this thread for now. If at any point you wish to discuss it further, just let me know and I can reopen this thread...

Thanks!

Steve

06-21-2009, 12:47 AM	#1
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	Historical Database Speed,Stealing,Stuff Ratings It appears that the game is using the data from the "real" statistics in generating speed, stealing and stuff ratings when generating historical players even in under use "neutralized statistics". It probably would not be noticed in regular testing as these rating do not fluctuate much between the real and neutralized generation of the player. This was actually cleared up i believe in OOTP9 but once again is happening in OOTPX. If you need any further clarification let me know. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

07-02-2009, 12:30 AM	#4
Gambo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,388	Awesome. Like I said previously this was not an issue in OOTP9. Using the two databases within one (e.g. batting and batting2 csvs) allowed for players to be created in custom databases in last years game with no "real" stats since the game used the batting2 etc exclusively when importing players. However, this year it at least requires an "appropriate" stat line for their debut year to create secondary ratings such as speed and assign the proper position to the player upon creation. This has caused me to actually take a step back in order to make the database workable in OOTPX. BTW, the "stuff" rating issue I mentioned earlier is not as bad as I thought. I didn't realize that due to the historically higher opposition batting averages for earlier players the stuff ratings a lower across the board the earlier you get. BUT, they are still low w/o the "real" stat line. __________________ *Give me league evolution with historical imports!!!* OOTP MODS: Historical Face Gen Project, Spritze/Gambo Database, OOTP Stadium Chart and Ballpark Images, MLB Compiled Uniform & Logo Pack available at... http://www.ootpmods.com

07-16-2009, 11:20 PM	#5
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Gambo, I do believe this ties directly into bug 3335 that I mentioned above, so I'm going to close this thread for now. If at any point you wish to discuss it further, just let me know and I can reopen this thread... Thanks! Steve __________________ Come check out my dynasty report, Funky Times!

06-24-2009, 12:36 AM	#2
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	Some of the components that make up these ratings may not be neutralized by the neutralization process. Not everything was neutered.

06-30-2009, 07:22 PM	#3
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Gambo, I believe this ties into another problem you submitted. In 10.2.16, the correct neutralized stats files are not in the installer file, which is probably why this information is not showing up correctly. We've notified Markus of the issue. We also have a separate bug logged, 3335. I'm trying to work out if these two problems are part of the same root cause. For now I'll leave this thread open... Thanks very much, Steve