Post-Trade Deadline Issue

jwinbigler · 06-17-2009, 03:22 AM

Has anyone else had problems with the AI doing trades after the deadline that should never clear waivers? For example, I just saw a 25-year 2B at the end of an MVP year get traded for a 28-year-old, 2-time All-Star SP and a solid MLB-level MR. This happened on October 11th, and the regular season ended October 16th (from a generated schedule). The trade deadline was set for July 31st. I was just simming as an impartial observer when I noticed the trade, so I can't verify the players were actually on waivers, but all further testing I did indicated that the waiver rule is working correctly. So, I guess the problem is the AI not claiming players that should very obviously be claimed. The guy having the MVP year was making the league minimum and had another year or two of auto-resign, so there was absolutely no reason the AI should have let that guy clear waivers. Also, my understanding is that there's a rule preventing players acquired at the end of the season from being on the postseason roster, but all 3 players played for their new team in the playoffs. Is this by design in OOTP? Thanks for taking a look at this issue.

Solonor · 06-17-2009, 10:07 AM

There were some issues with the AI not claiming players from waivers, but I thought those were fixed. Should be relatively easy to reproduce, though, if we just take over one team and try to force through a wavier trade using a superstar just to see if one of the AI teams bites on it.

As for the playoff rosters, those have never had any of the real restrictions. You can put anyone you want to on the playoff rosters, no matter when you've acquired them. There's probably a bunch of enhancement requests to fix that. I'll see if I can find one and add this to it.

Solonor · 06-17-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Solonor

As for the playoff rosters, those have never had any of the real restrictions. You can put anyone you want to on the playoff rosters, no matter when you've acquired them. There's probably a bunch of enhancement requests to fix that. I'll see if I can find one and add this to it.

Both BZ#56 and BZ#2221 deal with this. They were both marked as "LATER"...I've reopened them.

jwinbigler · 06-17-2009, 08:14 PM

Frankly, I'm not too concerned about the postseason roster rules being that accurate. I just brought it up in case it was a bug and not intended to be that way. I'm much more concerned about the waiver issue. I'll try to test it some more tonight to see if I can come up with some more examples.

Solonor · 06-17-2009, 10:56 PM

I'm not having much luck reproducing this in patch 1, which is good because one of the bugs fixed involved the AI not claiming players. So, your problem might be resolved once the patch gets released.

Kemp · 06-18-2009, 06:22 AM

I'm not sure I understand this bug/issue. In the manual it states, "In the real world, trades can be made after the deadline, as long as all players in the transaction first successfully pass through waivers. However, this rule does not currently exist in OOTP. Trading is forbidden between the deadline and the ends of the regular season."

Is that incorrect? I was under the impression that no trades could be made after the deadline (until after the postseason). However, I am seeing deals being made after the deadline. I believe this should be a bug.

Solonor · 06-18-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kemp

I'm not sure I understand this bug/issue. In the manual it states, "In the real world, trades can be made after the deadline, as long as all players in the transaction first successfully pass through waivers. However, this rule does not currently exist in OOTP. Trading is forbidden between the deadline and the ends of the regular season."

Is that incorrect? I was under the impression that no trades could be made after the deadline (until after the postseason). However, I am seeing deals being made after the deadline. I believe this should be a bug.

If that's what the manual says, then it is wrong. OOTP has the waiver trade rule and has for a long time. The bug would be that the AI is letting good players pass through waivers without challenging the trade (which I have not been able to reproduce).

Kemp · 06-18-2009, 06:27 AM

Got it, thanks.

Solonor · 06-18-2009, 06:31 AM

Yep. Just checked. The manual is wrong. BZ#3298 for a correction.

Solonor · 06-18-2009, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Solonor

Both BZ#56 and BZ#2221 deal with this. They were both marked as "LATER"...I've reopened them.

Both were put back to LATER.

Nutlaw · 06-22-2009, 06:07 PM

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06-17-2009, 03:22 AM	#1
jwinbigler Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 404	Post-Trade Deadline Issue Has anyone else had problems with the AI doing trades after the deadline that should never clear waivers? For example, I just saw a 25-year 2B at the end of an MVP year get traded for a 28-year-old, 2-time All-Star SP and a solid MLB-level MR. This happened on October 11th, and the regular season ended October 16th (from a generated schedule). The trade deadline was set for July 31st. I was just simming as an impartial observer when I noticed the trade, so I can't verify the players were actually on waivers, but all further testing I did indicated that the waiver rule is working correctly. So, I guess the problem is the AI not claiming players that should very obviously be claimed. The guy having the MVP year was making the league minimum and had another year or two of auto-resign, so there was absolutely no reason the AI should have let that guy clear waivers. Also, my understanding is that there's a rule preventing players acquired at the end of the season from being on the postseason roster, but all 3 players played for their new team in the playoffs. Is this by design in OOTP? Thanks for taking a look at this issue.

06-18-2009, 06:31 AM	#9
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,467	Yep. Just checked. The manual is wrong. BZ#3298 for a correction. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-17-2009, 10:07 AM	#2
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,467	There were some issues with the AI not claiming players from waivers, but I thought those were fixed. Should be relatively easy to reproduce, though, if we just take over one team and try to force through a wavier trade using a superstar just to see if one of the AI teams bites on it. As for the playoff rosters, those have never had any of the real restrictions. You can put anyone you want to on the playoff rosters, no matter when you've acquired them. There's probably a bunch of enhancement requests to fix that. I'll see if I can find one and add this to it. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-17-2009, 08:14 PM	#4
jwinbigler Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 404	Frankly, I'm not too concerned about the postseason roster rules being that accurate. I just brought it up in case it was a bug and not intended to be that way. I'm much more concerned about the waiver issue. I'll try to test it some more tonight to see if I can come up with some more examples.

06-17-2009, 10:56 PM	#5
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,467	I'm not having much luck reproducing this in patch 1, which is good because one of the bugs fixed involved the AI not claiming players. So, your problem might be resolved once the patch gets released. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-18-2009, 06:22 AM	#6
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	I'm not sure I understand this bug/issue. In the manual it states, "In the real world, trades can be made after the deadline, as long as all players in the transaction first successfully pass through waivers. However, this rule does not currently exist in OOTP. Trading is forbidden between the deadline and the ends of the regular season." Is that incorrect? I was under the impression that no trades could be made after the deadline (until after the postseason). However, I am seeing deals being made after the deadline. I believe this should be a bug.

06-18-2009, 06:27 AM	#8
Kemp All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,181	Got it, thanks.

06-22-2009, 06:07 PM	#11
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	As we have seen no reply from the original poster in three days, this thread will be closed for housekeeping reasons. If you need any further assistance with this matter, please post once more in Tech Support with a link to this thread and we will do our best to help you figure out a solution.