Scouting Director Problem

Jared · 06-05-2009, 04:50 PM

So it may be cheating a little bit, but I made my scouting director have perfect ratings across the board. Then I went and did my league's inaugural draft. Several players had significant difference between my director's ratings and the OSA ratings. I figured this was normal since my scouting director is so much better than what the game provides you by default. In between the draft and spring training, I asked my scouting director for reports on each player. For the ones where my scouting director had provided a significantly better scouting report during the initial draft, nearly all of them were now coming back in line with the OSA scouting.

For example, I drafted my first baseman who was rated 74 current/76 potential by my "perfect" scouting director before the inaugural draft, where OSA rated him significantly worse (their numbers aren't showing up on his player page, perhaps another bug?). Now, a month later, my scouting director tells me he's a 53 current/59 potential player and his contact, power, and eye ratings (and potentials) have all declined significantly and line up a lot closer with the OSA ratings. That is just one example, I'm seeing it all over the place on those players my director initially rated significantly better.

Needless to say, I'm pretty frustrated. The whole point of giving my scouting director "perfect" ratings was to avoid these kinds of surprises. And, what could possibly have changed for all these players in a month to make their ratings decline significantly? Please fix!!!

andymac · 06-05-2009, 04:51 PM

Why don't you just turn scouting off?

cody8200 · 06-05-2009, 05:25 PM

Turn scouting off if you want perfect ratings for your players. Actually a scout with 20's across the board will still not be "perfect". He still has the possibility of error but he will give you a more accurate picture than someone without perfect ratings. There are even additional options to make you scout more or less accurate. Anyway, even a perfect scout is not perfect in OOTP because even the best scout in the world isn't perfect. Turn off scouting and thing swill be 100% acccurate.

RebelFan · 06-05-2009, 09:18 PM

I can't speak for Jared, but I don't think he is complaining that he is not getting perfect scouting reports, rather that the same scout is issuing significantly different ratings a month apart for a substantial number of players for no apparent reason. Players who were rated as pretty good at the draft (74/100) suddenly become pretty average (53/100) a month later. This might happen to one or two players IRL, but not a large number.

This tells me something is wrong with the scouting part of the game. To say, "turn scouting off" is not the answer. It's an advertised part of the game and should work properly, which in my opinion it hasn't since the major redo in Version 9. It should be fixed.

If Facegen doesn't work should we turn that off, etc., etc?

tysok · 06-05-2009, 10:13 PM

Do you have it set so those numbers are comparable by position or across the entire league?

I wonder if it was "right" at the time of the draft, that this was one of the best players that was labeled as a "1B".
Then when the AI went to set up it's rosters it decided that a SS or a LF etc would be better at 1B and changed his label. Then the overall for 1B has changed dramatically (perhaps) and this guy you have has now become a middle of the pack 1B.

Did the players actual abilities drop as well, or was it just his overall/potential?

Jared · 06-06-2009, 05:51 PM

Rebelfan has it right. My issue is with that many players drastically declining in value over such a short period. My scouting is set up to be across all positions and I haven't changed it, but I guess I should check to see if this was a setting that got reverted. Even so, since I was looking at scouting compared to all positions, numbers should only improve if you start looking at players compared to others in the same position. The player's actual abilities dropped as well according to the scouting. Haven't played enough games to know if the player is actually performing significantly worse than he should.

battists · 06-11-2009, 11:12 PM

Jared, is this the beginning of a league?

Scouts' ratings of players grow more accurate over time, getting ever closer to the "truth". If you're just starting a league, your scouts are going to be at their least accurate, regardless of his ratings, because effectively all of the players are "new" to him.

Also, younger players are far more likely to have less accurate scouting.

There are a lot of different reasons for scouted ratings to change, most of which have been mentioned already.

I'm open to the idea that there's a problem hidden in here, but we'd need to see a much larger sample size to be sure about that...

Thanks,

Steve

andymac · 06-11-2009, 11:20 PM

Yea, I have found it is typically very helpfull to sim up at least 2-3 years of history before taking over a team in fictional leagues.

endgame · 06-19-2009, 01:53 AM

Since it has been a week with no response from the original poster to Steve's question, I'm closing this scouting issue. Please feel free to reopen it or begin a new thread once you've installed the new patch and had a chance to examine the impact.

06-05-2009, 04:50 PM	#1
Jared Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 93	Scouting Director Problem So it may be cheating a little bit, but I made my scouting director have perfect ratings across the board. Then I went and did my league's inaugural draft. Several players had significant difference between my director's ratings and the OSA ratings. I figured this was normal since my scouting director is so much better than what the game provides you by default. In between the draft and spring training, I asked my scouting director for reports on each player. For the ones where my scouting director had provided a significantly better scouting report during the initial draft, nearly all of them were now coming back in line with the OSA scouting. For example, I drafted my first baseman who was rated 74 current/76 potential by my "perfect" scouting director before the inaugural draft, where OSA rated him significantly worse (their numbers aren't showing up on his player page, perhaps another bug?). Now, a month later, my scouting director tells me he's a 53 current/59 potential player and his contact, power, and eye ratings (and potentials) have all declined significantly and line up a lot closer with the OSA ratings. That is just one example, I'm seeing it all over the place on those players my director initially rated significantly better. Needless to say, I'm pretty frustrated. The whole point of giving my scouting director "perfect" ratings was to avoid these kinds of surprises. And, what could possibly have changed for all these players in a month to make their ratings decline significantly? Please fix!!!

06-05-2009, 04:51 PM	#2
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	Why don't you just turn scouting off? __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

06-05-2009, 10:13 PM	#5
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	Do you have it set so those numbers are comparable by position or across the entire league? I wonder if it was "right" at the time of the draft, that this was one of the best players that was labeled as a "1B". Then when the AI went to set up it's rosters it decided that a SS or a LF etc would be better at 1B and changed his label. Then the overall for 1B has changed dramatically (perhaps) and this guy you have has now become a middle of the pack 1B. Did the players actual abilities drop as well, or was it just his overall/potential? __________________ I don't know about you, but as for me, the question has already been answered: Should we be here? Yes! Jack Buck, September 17, 2001 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. I firmly believe that any man's finest hour... is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious. (Vince Lombardi) I don't measure a man's success by how high he climbs but how high he bounces when he hits bottom. (George S. Patton)

06-11-2009, 11:20 PM	#8
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	Yea, I have found it is typically very helpfull to sim up at least 2-3 years of history before taking over a team in fictional leagues. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

06-19-2009, 01:53 AM	#9
endgame Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 16,842	Since it has been a week with no response from the original poster to Steve's question, I'm closing this scouting issue. Please feel free to reopen it or begin a new thread once you've installed the new patch and had a chance to examine the impact. __________________ "Try again. Fail again. Fail better." -- Samuel Beckett _____________________________________________

06-05-2009, 05:25 PM	#3
cody8200 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,436	Turn scouting off if you want perfect ratings for your players. Actually a scout with 20's across the board will still not be "perfect". He still has the possibility of error but he will give you a more accurate picture than someone without perfect ratings. There are even additional options to make you scout more or less accurate. Anyway, even a perfect scout is not perfect in OOTP because even the best scout in the world isn't perfect. Turn off scouting and thing swill be 100% acccurate.

06-05-2009, 09:18 PM	#4
RebelFan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Valley Posts: 63	I can't speak for Jared, but I don't think he is complaining that he is not getting perfect scouting reports, rather that the same scout is issuing significantly different ratings a month apart for a substantial number of players for no apparent reason. Players who were rated as pretty good at the draft (74/100) suddenly become pretty average (53/100) a month later. This might happen to one or two players IRL, but not a large number. This tells me something is wrong with the scouting part of the game. To say, "turn scouting off" is not the answer. It's an advertised part of the game and should work properly, which in my opinion it hasn't since the major redo in Version 9. It should be fixed. If Facegen doesn't work should we turn that off, etc., etc?

06-06-2009, 05:51 PM	#6
Jared Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 93	Rebelfan has it right. My issue is with that many players drastically declining in value over such a short period. My scouting is set up to be across all positions and I haven't changed it, but I guess I should check to see if this was a setting that got reverted. Even so, since I was looking at scouting compared to all positions, numbers should only improve if you start looking at players compared to others in the same position. The player's actual abilities dropped as well according to the scouting. Haven't played enough games to know if the player is actually performing significantly worse than he should.

06-11-2009, 11:12 PM	#7
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Jared, is this the beginning of a league? Scouts' ratings of players grow more accurate over time, getting ever closer to the "truth". If you're just starting a league, your scouts are going to be at their least accurate, regardless of his ratings, because effectively all of the players are "new" to him. Also, younger players are far more likely to have less accurate scouting. There are a lot of different reasons for scouted ratings to change, most of which have been mentioned already. I'm open to the idea that there's a problem hidden in here, but we'd need to see a much larger sample size to be sure about that... Thanks, Steve