Some help needed understanding Scouting

[RedsRule]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I am just upgrading from 6.51...

Why is there at times such a dramatic difference between the potential ratings between my scout and the OSA? And what does this mean to me?
Which should I give the most relevance to?

[kagnew35]

Originally Posted by RedsRule

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I am just upgrading from 6.51...

Why is there at times such a dramatic difference between the potential ratings between my scout and the OSA? And what does this mean to me?
Which should I give the most relevance to?

With scouting on, the OSA ratings are degraded by the game, trust your scouts more, playing with scouts off will give you the real ratings under OSA,

[RedsRule]

So are you recommeding turning Scouting off?

[kagnew35]

Originally Posted by RedsRule

So are you recommeding turning Scouting off?

Not at all, just explaining the difference, up to you to chose way you prefer

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by RedsRule

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I am just upgrading from 6.51...

Why is there at times such a dramatic difference between the potential ratings between my scout and the OSA? And what does this mean to me?
Which should I give the most relevance to?

OSA is a scouting organization filled with drunks, criminals, blog commentors, and the members of the band, Creed.

Your scout is the head scout of a team of trained professionals. They have expense accounts, and like to hang out in bars, so, they are not perfect. They have biases and limitations, but, they are pretty accurate.

OSA will give you a decent guess to the talent level of a player. Your scout will give you a much more informed viewpoint of a player.

As a player ages and gains experience and playing time, both reports will become more accurate.

I place little value in OSA reports.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by RedsRule

So are you recommending turning Scouting off?

I cannot play the game with scouting turned off. The system has its foibles, but, for me, it abstracts the uncertainty of player evaluation in an entertaining way.

[RedsRule]

Fantastic info...thanks all!

But the question remains...what if I like band Creed?

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by RedsRule

Fantastic info...thanks all!

But the question remains...what if I like band Creed?

There's always Youtube.

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

OSA is a scouting organization filled with drunks, criminals, blog commentors, and the members of the band, Creed.

Your scout is the head scout of a team of trained professionals. They have expense accounts, and like to hang out in bars, so, they are not perfect. They have biases and limitations, but, they are pretty accurate.

OSA will give you a decent guess to the talent level of a player. Your scout will give you a much more informed viewpoint of a player.

As a player ages and gains experience and playing time, both reports will become more accurate.

I place little value in OSA reports.

You must just have horrible drafts then. If you ignore OSA during the draft in every round you'll pick the player your scout is most wrong about.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

You must just have horrible drafts then. If you ignore OSA during the draft in every round you'll pick the player your scout is most wrong about.

Here is my draft history in my online league. I have selected seven starters in the last five drafts, and have traded two draftees for major league level starting outfielders.

History Team Draft History

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Here is my draft history in my online league. I have selected seven starters in the last five drafts, and have traded two draftees for major league level starting outfielders.

History Team Draft History

It's a pretty obvious problem with the draft that if you only use your scout you'll end up with all sorts of overdrafts. Even with scouting on high accuracy and a huge budget, the scout still misses players high. They are obvious to spot because you'll be half way through the third round and every team in the league has passed at least twice on a player your scout is rating very highly.

Either you have to use OSA or you just know that your scout is wrong and don't pick the player. If you draft in a realistic fashion and take the player that they say is clearly the best prospect, it's a miss on your scout's part.

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Here is my draft history in my online league. I have selected seven starters in the last five drafts, and have traded two draftees for major league level starting outfielders.

History Team Draft History

Great example btw. Clearly this league adjusts the players in the draft. Arizona took a pitcher in the second round with 100-100-71 talents. Someone got a 100 contact 100 gap 100 power hitter 13th overall 2 years ago.

The 9th pick in the 2014 draft was 100 contact, 100 power, 93 eye. What were the first 8 players?

Almost every pick in the first round of every team has 100 talents. This has nothing in common with how the draft works in an OOTP league where you don't adjust the players in the draft.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

It's a pretty obvious problem with the draft that if you only use your scout you'll end up with all sorts of overdrafts.

This is true, just like real life.

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

This is true, just like real life.

Except in real life you don't have any choice and you can't identify them at the time. In real life you just make mistakes. You don't look at your reports and say... oh we are wrong on this player because we are the only one who likes him.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

This has nothing in common with how the draft works in an OOTP league where you don't adjust the players in the draft.

If that is what you think, go right ahead. The Access database logging 30 opinion sets on 960 players I built during the beta process with test leagues says otherwise.

[jar2574]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

Except in real life you don't have any choice and you can't identify them at the time. In real life you just make mistakes. You don't look at your reports and say... oh we are wrong on this player because we are the only one who likes him.

Yeah, I rely mostly on my scout, but always check OSA as well, to check just how far apart the ratings are.

I also note players with nicknames or, in an inagural draft, high popularity levels. Those guys pan out more often than not.

I am especially careful when my scout says someone has ratings at +20 (on the 1-20 scale) because I've noticed that those are usually busts.

Defense and speed scouting seem a lot more accurate than scouting for CON, POW, EYE, and for stuff, movement and control.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

Except in real life you don't have any choice and you can't identify them at the time. In real life you just make mistakes. You don't look at your reports and say... oh we are wrong on this player because we are the only one who likes him.

Darrius Heyward-Bey

[lynchjm24]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Darrius Heyward-Bey

There are a ton of bad picks in every sport. I'm not saying people don't make mistakes.

In an OOTP draft you know that you are making a mistake because your scout so highly rates the player above everything thing else available. Your scout is almost always way way high on that player.

Start a solo league, turn out scouting put it in commish mode and look at the players you'd draft in each round. Your scout is way high on them 80-90% of the time. Unless you are drafting at the very top of the draft, you pick nothing but horrific busts if you don't use your scouts ratings relative to OSA.

[Raidergoo]

Originally Posted by lynchjm24

Your scout is way high on them 80-90% of the time.

That is not an accurate figure.

[Jamee999]

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Darrius Heyward-Bey

This is to do with Al Davis being senile, really.