OOTP4 - Spring Training questions

Maple Leafs · 12-10-2002, 10:41 AM

(I've tried searching, but no luck. Forgive me if this has been covered before.)

Some specific OOTP4 ST questions, hoping to confirm some observations about how this works:

- does adding points to a player's defense ever improve their fielding percentage, or only their range?

- when a player learns a new position, is their range always one below their range in their current position (i.e. an A SS becomes a B 2B)? Or is it random?

- also, does the player's new position automatically end up with a .950 fielding percentage, or can that vary?

- does a reliever who becomes a starter ever wind up with a duration of C or better, or will it always be D or E?

- does putting 10 points into a pitcher's duration always result in a boost? If so, is it always one grade only?

Thanks in advance.

Killebrew · 12-11-2002, 12:42 AM

Mostly just bumping this, take my opinion with a boulder of salt, as I have not done careful ST tests since OOTP2 or 3

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
- does adding points to a player's defense ever improve their fielding percentage, or only their range?

I have only seen it impact their range.

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Originally posted by Maple Leafs
- does putting 10 points into a pitcher's duration always result in a boost? If so, is it always one grade only?

I have only seen 1 one grade increase or decrease in endurance. Zeroing out defense used to work this way too, but that has been tweaked in patches and now zeroing out defensive practise can result in multiple defensive grade point drops .

SSG Troyer · 12-11-2002, 08:46 AM

- does adding points to a player's defense ever improve their fielding percentage, or only their range?

Range only.

- when a player learns a new position, is their range always one below their range in their current position (i.e. an A SS becomes a B 2B)? Or is it random?

The range rating will equal or lower, never better.

- also, does the player's new position automatically end up with a .950 fielding percentage, or can that vary?

The percent seems to be a default percent for the new position. For instance, I've never seen a player learn 3B that didn't get a fielding pct. other than .945.

- does a reliever who becomes a starter ever wind up with a duration of C or better, or will it always be D or E?

I've never seen a SP rating higher than D, even for a converted A duration MR.

- does putting 10 points into a pitcher's duration always result in a boost? If so, is it always one grade only?

There will be a boost, but you may not see it. You only see letter equivalents of the integer value of the rating, which is type real. There are hidden decimals.

Scott Vibert · 12-11-2002, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by SSG Troyer

- also, does the player's new position automatically end up with a .950 fielding percentage, or can that vary?

The percent seems to be a default percent for the new position. For instance, I've never seen a player learn 3B that didn't get a fielding pct. other than .945.

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This is not entirely true. I have seen fielding percentages in the .700's and even a few players learn the position with a .000 fielding percentage, If I remember correctly (it was a while ago) have also seen one guy learn 1B with a 1.000 fielding percentage.

The vast majority of the time the player will learn the position and receive a "default" fielding percentage, but it is possible to learn the position with a different fielding percentage then the default.

Maple Leafs · 12-11-2002, 11:27 AM

Thanks for the help everyone. A couple more questions:

- What effect does zeroing out a players rating have compared to, say, knocking it down to four? Does the zero rating mean a player is more likely to suffer a ratings drop, that any drop will be bigger, or both?

- Sometimes players have poor batting sessions, etc. in spring training but not suffer a ratings drop. I understand that this is due to the hidden decimals. But I've seen players in this situation go on to lose points in that category during the season. Is this due to their ST experience (i.e., ST gets the ball rolling in the wrong direction for them) or just coincidence? Put differently, does ST ever affect future ratings changes, or is it a one-time effect?

- Can someone confirm that "Velocity" in spring training affects strikeouts (as opposed to the pitcher's actual velocity rating)?

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Originally posted by ScottVib
The vast majority of the time the player will learn the position and receive a "default" fielding percentage, but it is possible to learn the position with a different fielding percentage then the default.

Scott, did you see this in spring training? I've heard of guys getting stuck with .700 when learning positions in the minors, but not in ST.

Maple Leafs · 12-11-2002, 04:21 PM

One more question: does a relief pitcher's durability affect his ability to switch roles? For example, is a middle reliever with an A durability more likely to be successful than an MR with an E durability?

OilCanBoyd · 12-12-2002, 10:53 AM

sorry maple, can not help you but have a question concerning spring training by myself.

i would like to have my 1B man learn a new position (3b).
he is rated D at first (dropped this year from C), does this mean he only can get an E-rating for 3B (like he learned the position in the minors)?
or is the new position lernaing mode in spring training different and i can hope he might get a decent C at the new position?

any experience out there?

thanx

Maple Leafs · 12-12-2002, 11:36 AM

My (limited) experience is that they always get one grade lower than their current rating. So he will get an 'E'. Maybe someone can confirm, though.

Raven · 12-13-2002, 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by SSG Troyer
[B]- does adding points to a player's defense ever improve their fielding percentage, or only their range?

Range only.

This isn't true. I've done some spring training testing, and Fielding % does increase as well. When it does increase, it is usually by .002 points though.

I created 11 players and rated them as C and .900 in all 8 positions (excluding pitching). When I put 7 points for defense in ST
-2/88 increased to B range
-2/88 increased to .902.

When I put 8 points in defense
-5/88 increased to B range
-3/88 increased to .902

When I put 10 points in defense
-11/88 increased to B range
-4/88 increased to .902

I dont remember exactly, but if my notes are correct, I wrote that only the players primary position was ever effected by adding points in spring training.

Some other spring training stuff....
Catcher arms only increase if the players primary position is catcher, and the same for OF's.

I've also noticed that MR's with an A or B MR endurance have a better chance of succesfully converting to SP's. There is probably a 40-50% chance of succesfully converting an MR to Sp if his endurance is A or B. A reliever with an E rating can convert to SP usually around 20-25% of the time.

Most of my testing was done with younger guys age: 20-26.

Maple Leafs · 12-16-2002, 12:08 PM

One bump for this one, then I'll let it die.

MM13 · 12-28-2002, 11:10 PM

My theory on position switching is that the range/fielding percentage should improve as they move down the defensive spectrum. By that I mean

ss
2b
3b
cf
corner of
1b

Can't remember where C fits in. If I have a C rated SS and move him to 2B then I'll either make him B rated or up his fielding percentage. Moving a CF to LF or RF is the same thing for me. This is similar to the majors where a SS with decent range can usually play a pretty good 2B or 3B.

Just a though on the manual moving of player positions.

Matt from TN · 02-04-2003, 10:41 AM

anyone had the problem that a player learning an OF position in the minors does not get an OF ARM rating? I have a new OF'er and he has no rating there

12-10-2002, 10:41 AM	#1
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	OOTP4 - Spring Training questions (I've tried searching, but no luck. Forgive me if this has been covered before.) Some specific OOTP4 ST questions, hoping to confirm some observations about how this works: - does adding points to a player's defense ever improve their fielding percentage, or only their range? - when a player learns a new position, is their range always one below their range in their current position (i.e. an A SS becomes a B 2B)? Or is it random? - also, does the player's new position automatically end up with a .950 fielding percentage, or can that vary? - does a reliever who becomes a starter ever wind up with a duration of C or better, or will it always be D or E? - does putting 10 points into a pitcher's duration always result in a boost? If so, is it always one grade only? Thanks in advance.

12-11-2002, 08:46 AM	#3
SSG Troyer All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somewhere to the left of 2nd base Posts: 1,598	Re: OOTP4 - Spring Training questions - does adding points to a player's defense ever improve their fielding percentage, or only their range? Range only. - when a player learns a new position, is their range always one below their range in their current position (i.e. an A SS becomes a B 2B)? Or is it random? The range rating will equal or lower, never better. - also, does the player's new position automatically end up with a .950 fielding percentage, or can that vary? The percent seems to be a default percent for the new position. For instance, I've never seen a player learn 3B that didn't get a fielding pct. other than .945. - does a reliever who becomes a starter ever wind up with a duration of C or better, or will it always be D or E? I've never seen a SP rating higher than D, even for a converted A duration MR. - does putting 10 points into a pitcher's duration always result in a boost? If so, is it always one grade only? There will be a boost, but you may not see it. You only see letter equivalents of the integer value of the rating, which is type real. There are hidden decimals. __________________ MWT Did Tennesee Delaware Mississppi's New Jersey? Idaho ... Alaska!

12-12-2002, 10:53 AM	#7
OilCanBoyd Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Darmstadt, Germany Posts: 37	sorry maple, can not help you but have a question concerning spring training by myself. i would like to have my 1B man learn a new position (3b). he is rated D at first (dropped this year from C), does this mean he only can get an E-rating for 3B (like he learned the position in the minors)? or is the new position lernaing mode in spring training different and i can hope he might get a decent C at the new position? any experience out there? thanx __________________ GM PittsburghPirates (German Baseball League)

02-04-2003, 10:41 AM	#12
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	anyone had the problem that a player learning an OF position in the minors does not get an OF ARM rating? I have a new OF'er and he has no rating there __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

12-11-2002, 04:21 PM	#6
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	One more question: does a relief pitcher's durability affect his ability to switch roles? For example, is a middle reliever with an A durability more likely to be successful than an MR with an E durability?

12-12-2002, 11:36 AM	#8
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	My (limited) experience is that they always get one grade lower than their current rating. So he will get an 'E'. Maybe someone can confirm, though.

12-16-2002, 12:08 PM	#10
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	One bump for this one, then I'll let it die.

12-28-2002, 11:10 PM	#11
MM13 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 23	My theory on position switching is that the range/fielding percentage should improve as they move down the defensive spectrum. By that I mean ss 2b 3b cf corner of 1b Can't remember where C fits in. If I have a C rated SS and move him to 2B then I'll either make him B rated or up his fielding percentage. Moving a CF to LF or RF is the same thing for me. This is similar to the majors where a SS with decent range can usually play a pretty good 2B or 3B. Just a though on the manual moving of player positions.