Beckett suspended 6 games for throwing the ball after a late timeout call

silvam14 · 04-14-2009, 05:51 PM

ridiculous if you ask me. How could the umpires feel he didn't throw at Abreu intentionally, but some schmuck in MLB can somehow feel otherwise?

Erik W. · 04-14-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

ridiculous if you ask me. How could the umpires feel he didn't throw at Abreu intentionally, but some schmuck in MLB can somehow feel otherwise?

Video tape.

It was a bush league play followed up with even more bush league crap. Suspending him for one start is lenient.

MorseMoose · 04-14-2009, 06:06 PM

Video?

PotatoPeeler · 04-14-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

Video tape.

I'm pretty sure most stuff isn't recorded on tape anymore... newb.

CMH · 04-14-2009, 06:31 PM

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I don't know. I don't think the pitch was intentional. Kind of hard to stop your motion when you see the time out just as you're throwing.

Abreu has every right to be upset. He couldn't possibly understand how hard it is to stop. All he sees is a baseball close to his head.

But, Beckett gets the suspension because he escalated the situation by walking up to Abreu and forcing the benches to clear. If he walks back to the mound then things cool down and Abreu strikes out.

CMH · 04-14-2009, 06:36 PM

NEW YORK (AP) -- Boston pitcher Josh Beckett has been suspended for six games and fined by Major League Baseball, which determined he intentionally threw a pitch near the head of the Los Angeles Angels' Bobby Abreu last week.

Beckett also was cited for "aggressive actions" after the pitch that led to the benches clearing Sunday, according to Bob Watson, vice president for discipline in the commissioner's office.

TBPauly · 04-14-2009, 06:47 PM

What I "love" about all of this is how Scioscia and the Angels players got fined undisclosed amounts. Don't the fans deserve to know what the fines are?

Erik W. · 04-14-2009, 06:56 PM

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I don't know. I don't think the pitch was intentional. Kind of hard to stop your motion when you see the time out just as you're throwing.

First, Beckett knew time was going to be called. He was waiting for it. He held the ball forever just staring at the runner.

Second, sure, it is hard to stop. But it's awfully coincidental that the throw happened to end up buzzing Abreu's head given that he was out of the box at that point. Of all the places the wild throw could've gone... hmm.

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But, Beckett gets the suspension because he escalated the situation by walking up to Abreu and forcing the benches to clear. If he walks back to the mound then things cool down and Abreu strikes out.

He re-escalated it after that when things had calmed down and the field had cleared by getting in Scioscia's face. He was just looking to stir things up.

Joe Canadian · 04-14-2009, 07:06 PM

I really don't think this suspension has anything to do with the throw, but more to do with Beckett's reaction to the situation(s) that followed the throw combined with the situation the Angels are facing in their clubhouse. Not saying I agree with it, but I think it's the league telling Beckett to use a bit more tact dealling with this team right now.

MorseMoose · 04-14-2009, 07:37 PM

wtf...serious? This suspension is ridiculous.

Torii Hunter is a douche too.

No way does Beckett decide in a split second to throw at Abreu. SIX GAMES??!?!?

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But it's awfully coincidental that the throw happened to end up buzzing Abreu's head given that he was out of the box at that point.

Out of the box? He's in the box and Beckett likely sees **** going down behind the plate and jumps. No way was it on purpose. Look at this picture.

Cooleyvol · 04-14-2009, 08:18 PM

You're honestly saying that he can't alter where he's throwing the pitch from the frame that you've posted. Watch the video dude. Beckett's a dickhead and I think everyone knows it. This basically proves that as well. He should have got six games if only for approaching the plate in an attempt to act like he wants some of Abreu at that moment. He should have kept his ass on the mound if he didn't want to seem like he wanted trouble from the beginning.

And he IS out of the box when the ball buzzes him, so either Beckett was throwing behind him (if he stays in the box) or at him (if he backs out of the box). Either way.................

phightin · 04-14-2009, 09:03 PM

Beckett is known around the league from his past actions etc for having a very short fuse, and when watching the video it's pretty obvious he meant to beam bobby as hard as he could or at least buzz him inside. regardless even if he's innocent and this is only partly suspect, it's still a suspect throw at a guys head. six games is one start and more than fair.

pfreek11 · 04-14-2009, 09:50 PM

I'll admit to having an Angels bias, but my first thought when I saw it happen was that Beckett should have never started walking to home plate. Abreu throws his hands up like "what was that?" and the ump steps in to stop things from escalating. If Beckett had stayed put, the rest of it wouldn't have happened.

RchW · 04-14-2009, 09:52 PM

I can't understand why Beckett wasn't tossed. It looks bad on that umpiring crew. The league office obviously disagrees. Correctly IMO.

Dargone · 04-14-2009, 09:56 PM

He should have stayed on the mound.

EMSoccerCoach · 04-14-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Beckett's a dickhead and I think everyone knows it.

By everyone you mean you? Just trying to get the basis of the comment.

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And he IS out of the box when the ball buzzes him, so either Beckett was throwing behind him (if he stays in the box) or at him (if he backs out of the box). Either way.................

Or he lost control of the ball after having timeout called while in the midst of his motion, which ANYONE who played baseball will tell you is a no-no in the book of any pitcher. And any pitching coach will tell a pitcher that if that happens, finish the pitch. Trying to stop it is a great way to get hurt.

I won't presume to know Beckett's intent. But I do know from experience that as a pitcher what Abreu did is dangerous.

canadiancreed · 04-14-2009, 10:52 PM

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I won't presume to know Beckett's intent. But I do know from experience that as a pitcher what Abreu did is dangerous.

True. If you look at the photo from earlier, he's practically throwing when time is called. Really should have something in the rulebook that says when time can and cant' be called.

As for what happened after? It's already been covered.

silvam14 · 04-14-2009, 11:20 PM

Why didn't Abreu step out of the box then? if he did, then the pitch wouldn't have been anywhere close to his head.

Baseball players a bunch of pussies anyway. "oh, let's all run out of the dugout and bullpen and act tough when 5 guys are holding you back."

Its obvious that the Angels and their fans have an inferiority complex with regards to the red sox caused by their poor post-season showing. I would say it is starting to get to the point where the red sox were with respect to the Yankees until 2004

silvam14 · 04-14-2009, 11:23 PM

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True. If you look at the photo from earlier, he's practically throwing when time is called. Really should have something in the rulebook that says when time can and cant' be called.

Exactly. I can't see how Beckett could be looking at the runner on second, clearly his attention was focused there. Then somehow, when he was in the middle of his delivery was able to see timeout was called and have long enough time to be pissed that it was called late and decide to throw at someone's head. Makes no sense

PotatoPeeler · 04-14-2009, 11:25 PM

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Why didn't Abreu step out of the box then? if he did, then the pitch wouldn't have been anywhere close to his head.

Because any smart player knows that he shouldn't step out of the box until he's absolutely certain that the umpire is going to give him time.

The whole thing is completely ridiculous on all sides. Beckett should have kept his big mouth shut instead of coming off the mound and running his mouth. The Angels should have just calmed down and let the umps make the call instead of spending all that time on the field lobbying for Beckett's ejection.

04-14-2009, 05:51 PM	#1
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,158	Beckett suspended 6 games for throwing the ball after a late timeout call ridiculous if you ask me. How could the umpires feel he didn't throw at Abreu intentionally, but some schmuck in MLB can somehow feel otherwise? __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

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Joe Canadian All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 1,296	I really don't think this suspension has anything to do with the throw, but more to do with Beckett's reaction to the situation(s) that followed the throw combined with the situation the Angels are facing in their clubhouse. Not saying I agree with it, but I think it's the league telling Beckett to use a bit more tact dealling with this team right now. __________________ My Twitter \| My Blog \| My Music Fan of the Blue Jays, Maple Leafs, IceCaps, Lakers, and Broncos.

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RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	I can't understand why Beckett wasn't tossed. It looks bad on that umpiring crew. The league office obviously disagrees. Correctly IMO. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

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Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	He should have stayed on the mound. __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

04-14-2009, 11:20 PM	#18
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 10,158	Why didn't Abreu step out of the box then? if he did, then the pitch wouldn't have been anywhere close to his head. Baseball players a bunch of pussies anyway. "oh, let's all run out of the dugout and bullpen and act tough when 5 guys are holding you back." Its obvious that the Angels and their fans have an inferiority complex with regards to the red sox caused by their poor post-season showing. I would say it is starting to get to the point where the red sox were with respect to the Yankees until 2004 __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

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MorseMoose Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,023 Infractions: 1/1 (1)	Video?

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CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Baseball Video Highlights & Clips \| BOS@LAA: Tempers flare between the Red Sox and Angels - Video \| MLB.com: Multimedia I don't know. I don't think the pitch was intentional. Kind of hard to stop your motion when you see the time out just as you're throwing. Abreu has every right to be upset. He couldn't possibly understand how hard it is to stop. All he sees is a baseball close to his head. But, Beckett gets the suspension because he escalated the situation by walking up to Abreu and forcing the benches to clear. If he walks back to the mound then things cool down and Abreu strikes out.

04-14-2009, 06:36 PM	#6
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	NEW YORK (AP) -- Boston pitcher Josh Beckett has been suspended for six games and fined by Major League Baseball, which determined he intentionally threw a pitch near the head of the Los Angeles Angels' Bobby Abreu last week. Beckett also was cited for "aggressive actions" after the pitch that led to the benches clearing Sunday, according to Bob Watson, vice president for discipline in the commissioner's office.

04-14-2009, 06:47 PM	#7
TBPauly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 58	What I "love" about all of this is how Scioscia and the Angels players got fined undisclosed amounts. Don't the fans deserve to know what the fines are?

04-14-2009, 08:18 PM	#11
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	You're honestly saying that he can't alter where he's throwing the pitch from the frame that you've posted. Watch the video dude. Beckett's a dickhead and I think everyone knows it. This basically proves that as well. He should have got six games if only for approaching the plate in an attempt to act like he wants some of Abreu at that moment. He should have kept his ass on the mound if he didn't want to seem like he wanted trouble from the beginning. And he IS out of the box when the ball buzzes him, so either Beckett was throwing behind him (if he stays in the box) or at him (if he backs out of the box). Either way.................

04-14-2009, 09:03 PM	#12
phightin All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 586	Beckett is known around the league from his past actions etc for having a very short fuse, and when watching the video it's pretty obvious he meant to beam bobby as hard as he could or at least buzz him inside. regardless even if he's innocent and this is only partly suspect, it's still a suspect throw at a guys head. six games is one start and more than fair.