Lineup Being Replaced w/ non-selected player

phyrndyl · 12-18-2008, 02:36 PM

Upon selecting a lineup (I have only checked this with vs. RHP lineup), the program is forcing me to play a player by refusing to recognize any alternative players at a given position. The program is inserting it's "choice" into the #7 slot, removing my choice, and moving other players around to make the 7 slot available.

Originally, it was forcing me to play a certain 3B, then a 2B, then a LF/CF (not to clear on what it's doing there now). Originally, I worked around it by playing the required player, but now it is insisting that I play J. Unknown in my outfield.

In its simplest form: I clear the lineup, place a player in the #1 slot. If the player is a different position and I check my next game lineup out (the MANAGE option from the daily games menu), then the player occurs correctly listed. If the player I insert is the "required" position, however, then the game lineup removes the player and places the "required" player in the #7 slot.

On at least one occasion, I placed an acceptable player in the #1 spot at a different position, had it accepted into the lineup, and then the player was removed from the lineup when I changed it's position to the "required" position.

I could work around this, with annoyance, until it started to require that I play J. Unknown. That is unacceptably annoying.

Phyrndyl

Nutlaw · 12-18-2008, 06:27 PM

Which version of the game are you using, please? If not 9.2.11, could you try upgrading to see if that fixes the problem?

phyrndyl · 12-19-2008, 01:40 AM

The one attempt at fixing this that I made was to reinstall the current version. The problem still exists.

I have started a second game. Same problem.

Phyrndyl

Nutlaw · 12-19-2008, 01:48 PM

These are solo leagues, not online ones? In your manager settings, can you verify that the AI isn't selected to choose your lineups.

phyrndyl · 12-20-2008, 10:38 AM

Yes, solo leagues.

Both of my current games show me as in control of the team, not the AI manager. I would point out that I can set 8 of the 9 positions. What I cannot do is leave out a certain player in every instance. Any attempt to remove that certain player with another player results in the certain player being reinserted into the lineup in the #7 slot, the player who I had listed for that position gets removed, and the rest of the lineup is adjusted to make room to fit the certain player into the 7 slot.

This is a new installation (and reinstallation). These are my first two games. In both instances I used Commissioner mode to name myself manager of a low level club. In one league I then turned off Commissiner mode, but not in the second. I have done virtually nothing else other than to play a certain number of games in each league.

Phyrndyl

RchW · 12-20-2008, 11:02 AM

Are you using 7 day lineups?

Although you may not have set this check that the certain player does not have force start checked.

phyrndyl · 12-20-2008, 02:45 PM

I don't use 7 day lineups. The 5 questions at the top are all answered No.

Also, I would point out that this is not just one player. Over time the player/position involved has migrated. I am not sure what is triggering the changes.

Phyrndyl

Nutlaw · 12-20-2008, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phyrndyl

In both instances I used Commissioner mode to name myself manager of a low level club.

By low level you mean minor leagues? If so, can you reproduce the problem as a major league manager?

phyrndyl · 12-21-2008, 05:40 PM

Will check.

A note: After 6-7 games with no problem, I now have two players, at 1B and SS, batting in the 6 and 7 spots despite them not being listed in my chosen lineups.

Phyrndyl

phyrndyl · 12-21-2008, 05:58 PM

Ok. Couple of things.

1) Created new manager in same game, chose Commssioner mode, made new manager a GM in the Majors. I used the lineup already listed in the Edit Lineups page. When I went to manage the game, the catcher had been replaced, with the new catcher put in the 7 slot and other players moved to accommodate the change. I checked the replaced catcher and he was at 83% health.

2) Very important. I had not previously noticed the [Team name] Lineup and Starting Pitcher tab. That tab listed the changed lineup. When I replaced the change with my choice and chose Start Game, the game did proceed with my chosen lineup. Nonetheless, it remains true that the computer is choosing a lineup which I am not choosing on the Edit Lineup screen.

I do have a workaround which, on short experimentation, will work, but this does not address the underlying weirdness of players mysteriously being chosen for me.

Phyrndyl

Nutlaw · 12-22-2008, 02:09 PM

Oh. So the AI is rearranging your lineup when you yourself are playing out the game? I don't suppose that you know what it does if you sim the game out without playing it yourself?

phyrndyl · 12-23-2008, 09:00 PM

I have decided that what I'm seeing is a poorly understood feature, not a bug. I believe that the lineups are being prepared using the depth charts, as designed, a process which did not dawn on me until I realized there were tabs to let me change my lineups from the [Team]Lineups and Starters tabs, rather than solely from the Edit Lineups button. When I deleted the depth charts, I (think) my problems evaporated.

Thank you for your attention to this. I must say I do often find the underlying sense of the game confounding. Not wrong or poorly designed, but not as intuitive as I might have been expecting.

I am withdrawing this request. Please mark this as resolved.

Phyrndyl

12-20-2008, 11:02 AM	#6
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12-18-2008, 02:36 PM	#1
phyrndyl Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7	Lineup Being Replaced w/ non-selected player Upon selecting a lineup (I have only checked this with vs. RHP lineup), the program is forcing me to play a player by refusing to recognize any alternative players at a given position. The program is inserting it's "choice" into the #7 slot, removing my choice, and moving other players around to make the 7 slot available. Originally, it was forcing me to play a certain 3B, then a 2B, then a LF/CF (not to clear on what it's doing there now). Originally, I worked around it by playing the required player, but now it is insisting that I play J. Unknown in my outfield. In its simplest form: I clear the lineup, place a player in the #1 slot. If the player is a different position and I check my next game lineup out (the MANAGE option from the daily games menu), then the player occurs correctly listed. If the player I insert is the "required" position, however, then the game lineup removes the player and places the "required" player in the #7 slot. On at least one occasion, I placed an acceptable player in the #1 spot at a different position, had it accepted into the lineup, and then the player was removed from the lineup when I changed it's position to the "required" position. I could work around this, with annoyance, until it started to require that I play J. Unknown. That is unacceptably annoying. Phyrndyl

12-18-2008, 06:27 PM	#2
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Which version of the game are you using, please? If not 9.2.11, could you try upgrading to see if that fixes the problem?

12-19-2008, 01:40 AM	#3
phyrndyl Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7	The one attempt at fixing this that I made was to reinstall the current version. The problem still exists. I have started a second game. Same problem. Phyrndyl

12-19-2008, 01:48 PM	#4
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	These are solo leagues, not online ones? In your manager settings, can you verify that the AI isn't selected to choose your lineups.

12-20-2008, 10:38 AM	#5
phyrndyl Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7	Yes, solo leagues. Both of my current games show me as in control of the team, not the AI manager. I would point out that I can set 8 of the 9 positions. What I cannot do is leave out a certain player in every instance. Any attempt to remove that certain player with another player results in the certain player being reinserted into the lineup in the #7 slot, the player who I had listed for that position gets removed, and the rest of the lineup is adjusted to make room to fit the certain player into the 7 slot. This is a new installation (and reinstallation). These are my first two games. In both instances I used Commissioner mode to name myself manager of a low level club. In one league I then turned off Commissiner mode, but not in the second. I have done virtually nothing else other than to play a certain number of games in each league. Phyrndyl

12-20-2008, 02:45 PM	#7
phyrndyl Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7	I don't use 7 day lineups. The 5 questions at the top are all answered No. Also, I would point out that this is not just one player. Over time the player/position involved has migrated. I am not sure what is triggering the changes. Phyrndyl Last edited by phyrndyl; 12-20-2008 at 02:46 PM.

12-21-2008, 05:40 PM	#9
phyrndyl Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7	Will check. A note: After 6-7 games with no problem, I now have two players, at 1B and SS, batting in the 6 and 7 spots despite them not being listed in my chosen lineups. Phyrndyl

12-21-2008, 05:58 PM	#10
phyrndyl Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7	Ok. Couple of things. 1) Created new manager in same game, chose Commssioner mode, made new manager a GM in the Majors. I used the lineup already listed in the Edit Lineups page. When I went to manage the game, the catcher had been replaced, with the new catcher put in the 7 slot and other players moved to accommodate the change. I checked the replaced catcher and he was at 83% health. 2) Very important. I had not previously noticed the [Team name] Lineup and Starting Pitcher tab. That tab listed the changed lineup. When I replaced the change with my choice and chose Start Game, the game did proceed with my chosen lineup. Nonetheless, it remains true that the computer is choosing a lineup which I am not choosing on the Edit Lineup screen. I do have a workaround which, on short experimentation, will work, but this does not address the underlying weirdness of players mysteriously being chosen for me. Phyrndyl

12-22-2008, 02:09 PM	#11
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Oh. So the AI is rearranging your lineup when you yourself are playing out the game? I don't suppose that you know what it does if you sim the game out without playing it yourself?

12-23-2008, 09:00 PM	#12
phyrndyl Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 7	I have decided that what I'm seeing is a poorly understood feature, not a bug. I believe that the lineups are being prepared using the depth charts, as designed, a process which did not dawn on me until I realized there were tabs to let me change my lineups from the [Team]Lineups and Starters tabs, rather than solely from the Edit Lineups button. When I deleted the depth charts, I (think) my problems evaporated. Thank you for your attention to this. I must say I do often find the underlying sense of the game confounding. Not wrong or poorly designed, but not as intuitive as I might have been expecting. I am withdrawing this request. Please mark this as resolved. Phyrndyl