Players ability going down way to fast...

metball4 · 07-22-2008, 12:44 AM

Anyone else notice this? This year a lot of my players, their ability went down ridiculously. Soriano (33 yo) went from MVP #s previous season, and ratings were same when season starter (73/80) and by the end is now a (50/80) and just an OK player. Same for a few other guys on my team. These are once GREAT players, who are around 30-34 yo and lose there skill overnight. I mean, USALLY its a few years of a decline but nothing so drastic without a decent explanation.

Any reasons or ways to fix this..

Vezna31 · 07-22-2008, 01:01 AM

There was always a lot of talk about the "35 year old crash" going back to V6.0, but I've never really seen it with 33 year olds. Is it happening to many other players, or just this one. You could change the setting under game setup for player aging if it is too common. Could be just an anomaly, just like a pitcher in my league that pitched until he was 45.

metball4 · 07-22-2008, 01:10 AM

This game has so much potential but i feel like things like this turn me off so much I just lose interest in the game.

Raidergoo · 07-22-2008, 06:52 AM

Do players implode like this 2B?

Year Ag G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB Avg OBP SLG OPS RC ActG
+-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+
1963 19 8 27 6 8 0 1 0 4 7 5 1 .296 .441 .370 .811 5 8
1964 20 10 37 4 7 0 0 0 0 6 7 0 .189 .302 .189 .491 2 10
1965 21 157 631 119 193 26 14 17 48 115 77 24 .306 .414 .472 .886 123 157
1966 22 121 445 69 143 17 9 6 48 105 43 13 .321 .453 .440 .893 88 122
1967 23 133 524 87 166 33 13 7 50 99 51 35 .317 .426 .469 .895 105 133
1968 24 10 24 8 9 0 2 0 0 13 4 5 .375 .595 .542 1.137 7 10
1969 25 147 559 105 150 21 6 18 48 131 74 58 .268 .406 .424 .830 96 147
1970 26 144 560 104 159 30 10 9 53 110 55 45 .284 .401 .421 .822 94 144
1971 27 160 609 100 175 32 13 15 64 103 52 47 .287 .388 .456 .844 109 160
1972 28 157 623 155 212 30 5 21 93 151 46 76 .340 .472 .506 .978 148 149
1973 29 156 601 130 192 40 2 30 92 128 61 77 .319 .440 .542 .982 143 156
1974 30 148 531 114 171 35 3 25 71 137 69 66 .322 .460 .540 1.000 133 149
1975 31 146 527 112 192 32 7 20 99 155 52 79 .364 .507 .565 1.072 152 146
1976 32 141 498 123 177 35 6 32 121 134 41 70 .355 .484 .643 1.127 157 141
1977 33 153 534 111 163 23 7 24 77 127 58 53 .305 .437 .509 .946 119 153
1978 34 133 458 76 119 31 0 15 83 90 40 22 .260 .376 .426 .802 74 132
1979 35 128 452 73 123 29 1 10 34 105 45 32 .272 .407 .407 .814 75 127
1980 36 140 482 78 135 20 6 13 58 112 47 29 .280 .412 .427 .839 86 141
1981 37 131 469 78 127 27 2 14 52 113 54 24 .271 .410 .426 .836 82 90
1982 38 134 482 74 153 22 5 16 66 97 60 27 .317 .432 .483 .915 100 134
1983 39 122 414 78 105 23 1 18 64 100 54 20 .254 .400 .444 .844 74 123
1984 40 116 379 57 103 24 0 7 49 76 39 9 .272 .390 .391 .781 58 116
+-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+
Totals 2695 9866 1861 2982 530 113 317 1274 2214 1034 812 .302 .429 .475 .904 2030 2648
+-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+

Baseball is a kids game. It eats up the aged. Guys make the HoF, in part, by imploding slower than normal.

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wildcat000 · 07-22-2008, 07:35 AM

I had a pitcher (Trevor Reckling in the MLB Roster set) go from a top 10 ERA and strikeout season and 4.5 stars to a 4.5 ERA season and 2.5 stars. Is there a reason for this or just the randomness of the game?

RchW · 07-22-2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raidergoo

Do players implode like this 2B?

Year Ag G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB Avg OBP SLG OPS RC ActG
+-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+
1963 19 8 27 6 8 0 1 0 4 7 5 1 .296 .441 .370 .811 5 8
1964 20 10 37 4 7 0 0 0 0 6 7 0 .189 .302 .189 .491 2 10
1965 21 157 631 119 193 26 14 17 48 115 77 24 .306 .414 .472 .886 123 157
1966 22 121 445 69 143 17 9 6 48 105 43 13 .321 .453 .440 .893 88 122
1967 23 133 524 87 166 33 13 7 50 99 51 35 .317 .426 .469 .895 105 133
1968 24 10 24 8 9 0 2 0 0 13 4 5 .375 .595 .542 1.137 7 10
1969 25 147 559 105 150 21 6 18 48 131 74 58 .268 .406 .424 .830 96 147
1970 26 144 560 104 159 30 10 9 53 110 55 45 .284 .401 .421 .822 94 144
1971 27 160 609 100 175 32 13 15 64 103 52 47 .287 .388 .456 .844 109 160
1972 28 157 623 155 212 30 5 21 93 151 46 76 .340 .472 .506 .978 148 149
1973 29 156 601 130 192 40 2 30 92 128 61 77 .319 .440 .542 .982 143 156
1974 30 148 531 114 171 35 3 25 71 137 69 66 .322 .460 .540 1.000 133 149
1975 31 146 527 112 192 32 7 20 99 155 52 79 .364 .507 .565 1.072 152 146
1976 32 141 498 123 177 35 6 32 121 134 41 70 .355 .484 .643 1.127 157 141
1977 33 153 534 111 163 23 7 24 77 127 58 53 .305 .437 .509 .946 119 153
1978 34 133 458 76 119 31 0 15 83 90 40 22 .260 .376 .426 .802 74 132
1979 35 128 452 73 123 29 1 10 34 105 45 32 .272 .407 .407 .814 75 127
1980 36 140 482 78 135 20 6 13 58 112 47 29 .280 .412 .427 .839 86 141
1981 37 131 469 78 127 27 2 14 52 113 54 24 .271 .410 .426 .836 82 90
1982 38 134 482 74 153 22 5 16 66 97 60 27 .317 .432 .483 .915 100 134
1983 39 122 414 78 105 23 1 18 64 100 54 20 .254 .400 .444 .844 74 123
1984 40 116 379 57 103 24 0 7 49 76 39 9 .272 .390 .391 .781 58 116
+-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+
Totals 2695 9866 1861 2982 530 113 317 1274 2214 1034 812 .302 .429 .475 .904 2030 2648
+-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+

Baseball is a kids game. It eats up the aged. Guys make the HoF, in part, by imploding slower than normal.

That's gotta be Joe Morgan from a historical league.

Raidergoo · 07-22-2008, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RchW

That's gotta be Joe Morgan from a historical league.

Good call. It is Joe Morgan, from baseball-reference.com, using the neutralize stats feature.

Mattymo · 07-22-2008, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildcat000

I had a pitcher (Trevor Reckling in the MLB Roster set) go from a top 10 ERA and strikeout season and 4.5 stars to a 4.5 ERA season and 2.5 stars. Is there a reason for this or just the randomness of the game?

This happens ALL THE TIME in real life...just go look at the ERA leaders from last season and compare them to this season.

Also look at guys like Brett Myers and Rich Hill who are performing awful in the minors right now after being consistent ML starters.

Plus, depending on your settings, the stars will reflect the players current performance. I don't think there's anything wrong there.

metball4 · 07-22-2008, 12:39 PM

No, this RARELY happends EVER in real life. You know who this happend too, someone like Roberto Alomar. Otherwise, it is very rare if you sign a STAR player at age 28 to a long term deal..they put up ALL STAR stats for years, and then at some random point in the season in which their 33 they go from a rating of 70's out of 80 to a 40 out of 80 and then within the next year being a 20/80.

Progression is more realistic lke this

Age 28-32 average = 300, 35 hr, 110 rbi, 20 sb
33 - 287, 30 hr, 98 rbi, 12 sb
34- 275, 26 hr, 87 rbi, 7 sb
35- 268, 21 hr, 72 rbi
36- 257, 14 hr, 53 rbi

etc.

as opposed to:

Age 28-32 average = 300, 35 hr, 110 rbi, 20 sb
33 - 255, 14 hr, 60 rbi, 2 sb

Mattymo · 07-22-2008, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metball4

No, this RARELY happends EVER in real life. You know who this happend too, someone like Roberto Alomar. Otherwise, it is very rare if you sign a STAR player at age 28 to a long term deal..they put up ALL STAR stats for years, and then at some random point in the season in which their 33 they go from a rating of 70's out of 80 to a 40 out of 80 and then within the next year being a 20/80.

Progression is more realistic lke this

Age 28-32 average = 300, 35 hr, 110 rbi, 20 sb
33 - 287, 30 hr, 98 rbi, 12 sb
34- 275, 26 hr, 87 rbi, 7 sb
35- 268, 21 hr, 72 rbi
36- 257, 14 hr, 53 rbi

etc.

as opposed to:

Age 28-32 average = 300, 35 hr, 110 rbi, 20 sb
33 - 255, 14 hr, 60 rbi, 2 sb

I was responding to wildcat's post, not yours...

But if you get acclimated to baseball-reference.com, you'll realize it happens more than you think. You also need to keep in mind that ratings aren't realistic. What are Soriano's stats in your league?

My next THREE posts are perfect examples of this happening, and that's just among MVP's. Imagine what it is among everyone else.

Look at Richie Sexson, he was performing well until age 32:

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1997 22 CLE AL 5 11 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .273 .273 .273 42 3 0 0 0 0 2
1998 23 CLE AL 49 174 28 54 14 1 11 35 1 1 6 42 .310 .344 .592 135 103 0 0 0 3 3
1999 24 CLE AL 134 479 72 122 17 7 31 116 3 3 34 117 .255 .305 .514 101 246 0 8 0 4 19
2000 25 TOT 148 537 89 146 30 1 30 91 2 0 59 159 .272 .349 .499 112 268 0 4 2 7 11
CLE AL 91 324 45 83 16 1 16 44 1 0 25 96 .256 .315 .460 93 149 0 3 0 4 8
MIL NL 57 213 44 63 14 0 14 47 1 0 34 63 .296 .398 .559 142 119 0 1 2 3 3
2001 26 MIL NL 158 598 94 162 24 3 45 125 2 4 60 178 .271 .342 .547 127 327 0 3 5 6 20
2002 27 MIL NL 157 570 86 159 37 2 29 102 0 0 70 136 .279 .363 .504 128 287 0 4 7 8 17 AS
2003 28 MIL NL 162 606 97 165 28 2 45 124 2 3 98 151 .272 .379 .548 140 332 0 5 7 9 18 MVP-12,AS
2004 29 ARI NL 23 90 20 21 4 0 9 23 0 0 14 21 .233 .337 .578 126 52 0 0 0 0 2
2005 30 SEA AL 156 558 99 147 36 1 39 121 1 1 89 167 .263 .369 .541 144 302 0 3 4 6 15 MVP-15
2006 31 SEA AL 158 591 75 156 40 0 34 107 1 1 64 154 .264 .338 .504 117 298 0 4 5 4 17
2007 32 SEA AL 121 434 58 89 21 0 21 63 1 0 51 100 .205 .295 .399 84 173 0 1 1 5 12
2008 33 TOT AL 78 256 27 56 8 0 11 31 1 0 40 78 .219 .321 .379 91 97 0 3 0 0 9
SEA AL 74 252 27 55 8 0 11 30 1 0 37 76 .218 .315 .381 90 96 0 3 0 0 8
NYY AL 4 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 3 2 .250 .571 .250 132 1 0 0 0 0 1

Mattymo · 07-22-2008, 12:57 PM

Juan Gonzalez: MVP at 31, done at 34

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1989 19 TEX AL 24 60 6 9 3 0 1 7 0 0 6 17 .150 .227 .250 34 15 2 0 0 0 4
1990 20 TEX AL 25 90 11 26 7 1 4 12 0 1 2 18 .289 .316 .522 131 47 0 1 0 2 2
1991 21 TEX AL 142 545 78 144 34 1 27 102 4 4 42 118 .264 .321 .479 121 261 0 3 7 5 10
1992 22 TEX AL 155 584 77 152 24 2 43 109 0 1 35 143 .260 .304 .529 133 309 0 8 1 5 16 SS,MVP-16
1993 23 TEX AL 140 536 105 166 33 1 46 118 4 1 37 99 .310 .368 .632 169 339 0 1 7 13 12 SS,MVP-4,AS
1994 24 TEX AL 107 422 57 116 18 4 19 85 6 4 30 66 .275 .330 .472 104 199 0 4 10 7 18
1995 25 TEX AL 90 352 57 104 20 2 27 82 0 0 17 66 .295 .324 .594 130 209 0 5 3 0 15
1996 26 TEX AL 134 541 89 170 33 2 47 144 2 0 45 82 .314 .368 .643 145 348 0 3 12 3 10 SS,MVP-1
1997 27 TEX AL 133 533 87 158 24 3 42 131 0 0 33 107 .296 .335 .589 131 314 0 10 7 3 12 SS,MVP-9
1998 28 TEX AL 154 606 110 193 50 2 45 157 2 1 46 126 .318 .366 .630 149 382 0 11 9 6 20 SS,MVP-1,AS
1999 29 TEX AL 144 562 114 183 36 1 39 128 3 3 51 105 .326 .378 .601 141 338 0 12 7 4 10 MVP-13
2000 30 DET AL 115 461 69 133 30 2 22 67 1 2 32 84 .289 .337 .505 115 233 0 1 3 2 13
2001 31 CLE AL 140 532 97 173 34 1 35 140 1 0 41 94 .325 .370 .590 148 314 0 16 5 6 18 SS,MVP-5,AS
2002 32 TEX AL 70 277 38 78 21 1 8 35 2 0 17 56 .282 .324 .451 99 125 0 1 1 1 11
2003 33 TEX AL 82 327 49 96 17 1 24 70 1 1 14 73 .294 .329 .572 122 187 0 1 1 4 10
2004 34 KCR AL 33 127 17 35 4 1 5 17 0 1 9 19 .276 .326 .441 96 56 0 1 1 1 3
2005 35 CLE AL 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 -100 0 0 0 0 0 0

Mattymo · 07-22-2008, 12:58 PM

Mo Vaughn:

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1991 23 BOS AL 74 219 21 57 12 0 4 32 2 1 26 43 .260 .339 .370 93 81 0 4 2 2 7
1992 24 BOS AL 113 355 42 83 16 2 13 57 3 3 47 67 .234 .326 .400 98 142 0 3 7 3 8
1993 25 BOS AL 152 539 86 160 34 1 29 101 4 3 79 130 .297 .390 .525 139 283 0 7 23 8 14 MVP-18
1994 26 BOS AL 111 394 65 122 25 1 26 82 4 4 57 112 .310 .408 .576 146 227 0 2 20 10 7 MVP-17
1995 27 BOS AL 140 550 98 165 28 3 39 126 11 4 68 150 .300 .388 .575 144 316 0 4 17 14 17 SS,MVP-1,AS
1996 28 BOS AL 161 635 118 207 29 1 44 143 2 0 95 154 .326 .420 .583 150 370 0 8 19 14 17 MVP-5,AS
1997 29 BOS AL 141 527 91 166 24 0 35 96 2 2 86 154 .315 .420 .560 152 295 0 3 17 12 10 MVP-25
1998 30 BOS AL 154 609 107 205 31 2 40 115 0 0 61 144 .337 .402 .591 153 360 0 3 13 8 13 MVP-4,AS
1999 31 ANA AL 139 524 63 147 20 0 33 108 0 0 54 127 .281 .358 .508 119 266 0 3 7 11 11
2000 32 ANA AL 161 614 93 167 31 0 36 117 2 0 79 181 .272 .365 .498 115 306 0 5 11 14 14
2002 34 NYM NL 139 487 67 126 18 0 26 72 0 1 59 145 .259 .349 .456 113 222 0 2 6 10 15
2003 35 NYM NL 27 79 10 15 2 0 3 15 0 0 14 22 .190 .323 .329 73 26 0 1 2 2 2

Mattymo · 07-22-2008, 01:00 PM

George Foster: His power stayed OK after 1981, but his average went way down (he was 32 in '81)

Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1969 20 SFG NL 9 5 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 .400 .400 .400 126 2 0 0 0 0 0
1970 21 SFG NL 9 19 2 6 1 1 1 4 0 0 2 5 .316 .381 .632 167 12 0 0 1 0 1
1971 22 TOT NL 140 473 50 114 23 4 13 58 7 7 29 120 .241 .292 .389 95 184 1 4 3 7 20
SFG NL 36 105 11 28 5 0 3 8 0 1 6 27 .267 .304 .400 99 42 0 1 1 0 4
CIN NL 104 368 39 86 18 4 10 50 7 6 23 93 .234 .289 .386 94 142 1 3 2 7 16
1972 23 CIN NL 59 145 15 29 4 1 2 12 2 1 5 44 .200 .230 .283 49 41 0 1 1 1 6
1973 24 CIN NL 17 39 6 11 3 0 4 9 0 1 4 7 .282 .349 .667 182 26 0 0 0 0 1
1974 25 CIN NL 106 276 31 73 18 0 7 41 3 2 30 52 .264 .343 .406 110 112 2 2 5 4 8
1975 26 CIN NL 134 463 71 139 24 4 23 78 2 1 40 73 .300 .356 .518 139 240 0 5 11 3 14
1976 27 CIN NL 144 562 86 172 21 9 29 121 17 3 52 89 .306 .364 .530 150 298 0 9 4 4 11 MVP-2,AS
1977 28 CIN NL 158 615 124 197 31 2 52 149 6 4 61 107 .320 .382 .631 165 388 0 8 10 5 17 MVP-1,AS
1978 29 CIN NL 158 604 97 170 26 7 40 120 4 4 70 138 .281 .360 .546 151 330 0 6 16 7 18 MVP-6,AS
1979 30 CIN NL 121 440 68 133 18 3 30 98 0 2 59 105 .302 .386 .561 155 247 0 3 7 3 11 MVP-12,AS
1980 31 CIN NL 144 528 79 144 21 5 25 93 1 0 75 99 .273 .362 .473 131 250 0 4 14 1 14
1981 32 CIN NL 108 414 64 122 23 2 22 90 4 0 51 75 .295 .373 .519 150 215 0 4 5 3 12 SS,MVP-3,AS
1982 33 NYM NL 151 550 64 136 23 2 13 70 1 1 50 123 .247 .309 .367 90 202 0 6 9 2 13
1983 34 NYM NL 157 601 74 145 19 2 28 90 1 1 38 111 .241 .289 .419 95 252 0 4 5 4 19
1984 35 NYM NL 146 553 67 149 22 1 24 86 2 2 30 122 .269 .311 .443 111 245 0 6 9 6 14
1985 36 NYM NL 129 452 57 119 24 1 21 77 0 1 46 87 .263 .331 .460 121 208 0 4 5 2 8
1986 37 TOT 87 284 30 64 6 3 14 42 1 1 24 61 .225 .284 .415 91 118 0 2 1 0 9
NYM NL 72 233 28 53 6 1 13 38 1 1 21 53 .227 .289 .429 98 100 0 2 1 0 7
CHW AL 15 51 2 11 0 2 1 4 0 0 3 8 .216 .259 .353 63 18 0 0 0 0 2

metball4 · 07-22-2008, 01:12 PM

He went like this:

.283, 40 hr, 120 rbi, 38 sb
.258, 20 hr, 66 rbi, 15 sb
.235, 6 hr, 40 rbi, 10 sb

The year he went down to .258 and declined ALOT was when he was 33. Now my problem is more that his rating went from being 70's to 40's overnight. A fast decline would be going down maybe 10-12 per year in overall rating. Not 30!

Mattymo · 07-22-2008, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metball4

He went like this:

.283, 40 hr, 120 rbi, 38 sb
.258, 20 hr, 66 rbi, 15 sb
.235, 6 hr, 40 rbi, 10 sb

The year he went down to .258 and declined ALOT was when he was 33. Now my problem is more that his rating went from being 70's to 40's overnight. A fast decline would be going down maybe 10-12 per year in overall rating. Not 30!

But keep in mind that overall rating (as well as stars) does reflect his stats, depending on your settings.

Renner · 07-22-2008, 02:49 PM

If you don't like the default, change the 'Talent Change Randomness' to something lower.

Dogzilla · 07-22-2008, 05:38 PM

[QUOTE]If you don't like the default, change the 'Talent Change Randomness' to something lower.[QUOTE]

Changing the player aging modifiers is probably a better choice. Maybe try .5 and see if you like the results. I use .70 for my leagues, even though I think the default settings are more realistic.

Looks I messed up the "quote" feature...

Aytumious · 07-22-2008, 05:39 PM

Did Soriano have any injury issues?

bababui · 07-22-2008, 05:53 PM

Many of the guys mentioned here are steroid cases and their career paths arent realistic. The game shouldnt model them.

Mattymo · 07-22-2008, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bababui

Many of the guys mentioned here are steroid cases and their career paths arent realistic. The game shouldnt model them.

Vaughn and JuanGone were...not Sexson, and certainly not Foster. There's hundreds of other cases, even if you want to just stick in the 70s and 80s pre-steroids.

07-22-2008, 12:44 AM	#1
metball4 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 328	Players ability going down way to fast... Anyone else notice this? This year a lot of my players, their ability went down ridiculously. Soriano (33 yo) went from MVP #s previous season, and ratings were same when season starter (73/80) and by the end is now a (50/80) and just an OK player. Same for a few other guys on my team. These are once GREAT players, who are around 30-34 yo and lose there skill overnight. I mean, USALLY its a few years of a decline but nothing so drastic without a decent explanation. Any reasons or ways to fix this.. __________________ Mets in 2003...or 2074 Lets Go Mets!

07-22-2008, 01:01 AM	#2
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,990	There was always a lot of talk about the "35 year old crash" going back to V6.0, but I've never really seen it with 33 year olds. Is it happening to many other players, or just this one. You could change the setting under game setup for player aging if it is too common. Could be just an anomaly, just like a pitcher in my league that pitched until he was 45. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

07-22-2008, 01:10 AM	#3
metball4 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 328	This game has so much potential but i feel like things like this turn me off so much I just lose interest in the game. __________________ Mets in 2003...or 2074 Lets Go Mets!

07-22-2008, 12:39 PM	#9
metball4 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 328	No, this RARELY happends EVER in real life. You know who this happend too, someone like Roberto Alomar. Otherwise, it is very rare if you sign a STAR player at age 28 to a long term deal..they put up ALL STAR stats for years, and then at some random point in the season in which their 33 they go from a rating of 70's out of 80 to a 40 out of 80 and then within the next year being a 20/80. Progression is more realistic lke this Age 28-32 average = 300, 35 hr, 110 rbi, 20 sb 33 - 287, 30 hr, 98 rbi, 12 sb 34- 275, 26 hr, 87 rbi, 7 sb 35- 268, 21 hr, 72 rbi 36- 257, 14 hr, 53 rbi etc. as opposed to: Age 28-32 average = 300, 35 hr, 110 rbi, 20 sb 33 - 255, 14 hr, 60 rbi, 2 sb __________________ Mets in 2003...or 2074 Lets Go Mets!

07-22-2008, 01:12 PM	#14
metball4 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 328	He went like this: .283, 40 hr, 120 rbi, 38 sb .258, 20 hr, 66 rbi, 15 sb .235, 6 hr, 40 rbi, 10 sb The year he went down to .258 and declined ALOT was when he was 33. Now my problem is more that his rating went from being 70's to 40's overnight. A fast decline would be going down maybe 10-12 per year in overall rating. Not 30! __________________ Mets in 2003...or 2074 Lets Go Mets!

07-22-2008, 06:52 AM	#4
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Do players implode like this 2B? Year Ag G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB Avg OBP SLG OPS RC ActG +-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+ 1963 19 8 27 6 8 0 1 0 4 7 5 1 .296 .441 .370 .811 5 8 1964 20 10 37 4 7 0 0 0 0 6 7 0 .189 .302 .189 .491 2 10 1965 21 157 631 119 193 26 14 17 48 115 77 24 .306 .414 .472 .886 123 157 1966 22 121 445 69 143 17 9 6 48 105 43 13 .321 .453 .440 .893 88 122 1967 23 133 524 87 166 33 13 7 50 99 51 35 .317 .426 .469 .895 105 133 1968 24 10 24 8 9 0 2 0 0 13 4 5 .375 .595 .542 1.137 7 10 1969 25 147 559 105 150 21 6 18 48 131 74 58 .268 .406 .424 .830 96 147 1970 26 144 560 104 159 30 10 9 53 110 55 45 .284 .401 .421 .822 94 144 1971 27 160 609 100 175 32 13 15 64 103 52 47 .287 .388 .456 .844 109 160 1972 28 157 623 155 212 30 5 21 93 151 46 76 .340 .472 .506 .978 148 149 1973 29 156 601 130 192 40 2 30 92 128 61 77 .319 .440 .542 .982 143 156 1974 30 148 531 114 171 35 3 25 71 137 69 66 .322 .460 .540 1.000 133 149 1975 31 146 527 112 192 32 7 20 99 155 52 79 .364 .507 .565 1.072 152 146 1976 32 141 498 123 177 35 6 32 121 134 41 70 .355 .484 .643 1.127 157 141 1977 33 153 534 111 163 23 7 24 77 127 58 53 .305 .437 .509 .946 119 153 1978 34 133 458 76 119 31 0 15 83 90 40 22 .260 .376 .426 .802 74 132 1979 35 128 452 73 123 29 1 10 34 105 45 32 .272 .407 .407 .814 75 127 1980 36 140 482 78 135 20 6 13 58 112 47 29 .280 .412 .427 .839 86 141 1981 37 131 469 78 127 27 2 14 52 113 54 24 .271 .410 .426 .836 82 90 1982 38 134 482 74 153 22 5 16 66 97 60 27 .317 .432 .483 .915 100 134 1983 39 122 414 78 105 23 1 18 64 100 54 20 .254 .400 .444 .844 74 123 1984 40 116 379 57 103 24 0 7 49 76 39 9 .272 .390 .391 .781 58 116 +-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+ Totals 2695 9866 1861 2982 530 113 317 1274 2214 1034 812 .302 .429 .475 .904 2030 2648 +-------+----+-----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+ Baseball is a kids game. It eats up the aged. Guys make the HoF, in part, by imploding slower than normal. </pre>

07-22-2008, 07:35 AM	#5
wildcat000 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 143	I had a pitcher (Trevor Reckling in the MLB Roster set) go from a top 10 ERA and strikeout season and 4.5 stars to a 4.5 ERA season and 2.5 stars. Is there a reason for this or just the randomness of the game?

07-22-2008, 12:57 PM	#11
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	Juan Gonzalez: MVP at 31, done at 34 Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 1989 19 TEX AL 24 60 6 9 3 0 1 7 0 0 6 17 .150 .227 .250 34 15 2 0 0 0 4 1990 20 TEX AL 25 90 11 26 7 1 4 12 0 1 2 18 .289 .316 .522 131 47 0 1 0 2 2 1991 21 TEX AL 142 545 78 144 34 1 27 102 4 4 42 118 .264 .321 .479 121 261 0 3 7 5 10 1992 22 TEX AL 155 584 77 152 24 2 43 109 0 1 35 143 .260 .304 .529 133 309 0 8 1 5 16 SS,MVP-16 1993 23 TEX AL 140 536 105 166 33 1 46 118 4 1 37 99 .310 .368 .632 169 339 0 1 7 13 12 SS,MVP-4,AS 1994 24 TEX AL 107 422 57 116 18 4 19 85 6 4 30 66 .275 .330 .472 104 199 0 4 10 7 18 1995 25 TEX AL 90 352 57 104 20 2 27 82 0 0 17 66 .295 .324 .594 130 209 0 5 3 0 15 1996 26 TEX AL 134 541 89 170 33 2 47 144 2 0 45 82 .314 .368 .643 145 348 0 3 12 3 10 SS,MVP-1 1997 27 TEX AL 133 533 87 158 24 3 42 131 0 0 33 107 .296 .335 .589 131 314 0 10 7 3 12 SS,MVP-9 1998 28 TEX AL 154 606 110 193 50 2 45 157 2 1 46 126 .318 .366 .630 149 382 0 11 9 6 20 SS,MVP-1,AS 1999 29 TEX AL 144 562 114 183 36 1 39 128 3 3 51 105 .326 .378 .601 141 338 0 12 7 4 10 MVP-13 2000 30 DET AL 115 461 69 133 30 2 22 67 1 2 32 84 .289 .337 .505 115 233 0 1 3 2 13 2001 31 CLE AL 140 532 97 173 34 1 35 140 1 0 41 94 .325 .370 .590 148 314 0 16 5 6 18 SS,MVP-5,AS 2002 32 TEX AL 70 277 38 78 21 1 8 35 2 0 17 56 .282 .324 .451 99 125 0 1 1 1 11 2003 33 TEX AL 82 327 49 96 17 1 24 70 1 1 14 73 .294 .329 .572 122 187 0 1 1 4 10 2004 34 KCR AL 33 127 17 35 4 1 5 17 0 1 9 19 .276 .326 .441 96 56 0 1 1 1 3 2005 35 CLE AL 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 .000 .000 -100 0 0 0 0 0 0

07-22-2008, 12:58 PM	#12
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	Mo Vaughn: Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 1991 23 BOS AL 74 219 21 57 12 0 4 32 2 1 26 43 .260 .339 .370 93 81 0 4 2 2 7 1992 24 BOS AL 113 355 42 83 16 2 13 57 3 3 47 67 .234 .326 .400 98 142 0 3 7 3 8 1993 25 BOS AL 152 539 86 160 34 1 29 101 4 3 79 130 .297 .390 .525 139 283 0 7 23 8 14 MVP-18 1994 26 BOS AL 111 394 65 122 25 1 26 82 4 4 57 112 .310 .408 .576 146 227 0 2 20 10 7 MVP-17 1995 27 BOS AL 140 550 98 165 28 3 39 126 11 4 68 150 .300 .388 .575 144 316 0 4 17 14 17 SS,MVP-1,AS 1996 28 BOS AL 161 635 118 207 29 1 44 143 2 0 95 154 .326 .420 .583 150 370 0 8 19 14 17 MVP-5,AS 1997 29 BOS AL 141 527 91 166 24 0 35 96 2 2 86 154 .315 .420 .560 152 295 0 3 17 12 10 MVP-25 1998 30 BOS AL 154 609 107 205 31 2 40 115 0 0 61 144 .337 .402 .591 153 360 0 3 13 8 13 MVP-4,AS 1999 31 ANA AL 139 524 63 147 20 0 33 108 0 0 54 127 .281 .358 .508 119 266 0 3 7 11 11 2000 32 ANA AL 161 614 93 167 31 0 36 117 2 0 79 181 .272 .365 .498 115 306 0 5 11 14 14 2002 34 NYM NL 139 487 67 126 18 0 26 72 0 1 59 145 .259 .349 .456 113 222 0 2 6 10 15 2003 35 NYM NL 27 79 10 15 2 0 3 15 0 0 14 22 .190 .323 .329 73 26 0 1 2 2 2

07-22-2008, 01:00 PM	#13
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	George Foster: His power stayed OK after 1981, but his average went way down (he was 32 in '81) Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP +--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+ 1969 20 SFG NL 9 5 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 .400 .400 .400 126 2 0 0 0 0 0 1970 21 SFG NL 9 19 2 6 1 1 1 4 0 0 2 5 .316 .381 .632 167 12 0 0 1 0 1 1971 22 TOT NL 140 473 50 114 23 4 13 58 7 7 29 120 .241 .292 .389 95 184 1 4 3 7 20 SFG NL 36 105 11 28 5 0 3 8 0 1 6 27 .267 .304 .400 99 42 0 1 1 0 4 CIN NL 104 368 39 86 18 4 10 50 7 6 23 93 .234 .289 .386 94 142 1 3 2 7 16 1972 23 CIN NL 59 145 15 29 4 1 2 12 2 1 5 44 .200 .230 .283 49 41 0 1 1 1 6 1973 24 CIN NL 17 39 6 11 3 0 4 9 0 1 4 7 .282 .349 .667 182 26 0 0 0 0 1 1974 25 CIN NL 106 276 31 73 18 0 7 41 3 2 30 52 .264 .343 .406 110 112 2 2 5 4 8 1975 26 CIN NL 134 463 71 139 24 4 23 78 2 1 40 73 .300 .356 .518 139 240 0 5 11 3 14 1976 27 CIN NL 144 562 86 172 21 9 29 121 17 3 52 89 .306 .364 .530 150 298 0 9 4 4 11 MVP-2,AS 1977 28 CIN NL 158 615 124 197 31 2 52 149 6 4 61 107 .320 .382 .631 165 388 0 8 10 5 17 MVP-1,AS 1978 29 CIN NL 158 604 97 170 26 7 40 120 4 4 70 138 .281 .360 .546 151 330 0 6 16 7 18 MVP-6,AS 1979 30 CIN NL 121 440 68 133 18 3 30 98 0 2 59 105 .302 .386 .561 155 247 0 3 7 3 11 MVP-12,AS 1980 31 CIN NL 144 528 79 144 21 5 25 93 1 0 75 99 .273 .362 .473 131 250 0 4 14 1 14 1981 32 CIN NL 108 414 64 122 23 2 22 90 4 0 51 75 .295 .373 .519 150 215 0 4 5 3 12 SS,MVP-3,AS 1982 33 NYM NL 151 550 64 136 23 2 13 70 1 1 50 123 .247 .309 .367 90 202 0 6 9 2 13 1983 34 NYM NL 157 601 74 145 19 2 28 90 1 1 38 111 .241 .289 .419 95 252 0 4 5 4 19 1984 35 NYM NL 146 553 67 149 22 1 24 86 2 2 30 122 .269 .311 .443 111 245 0 6 9 6 14 1985 36 NYM NL 129 452 57 119 24 1 21 77 0 1 46 87 .263 .331 .460 121 208 0 4 5 2 8 1986 37 TOT 87 284 30 64 6 3 14 42 1 1 24 61 .225 .284 .415 91 118 0 2 1 0 9 NYM NL 72 233 28 53 6 1 13 38 1 1 21 53 .227 .289 .429 98 100 0 2 1 0 7 CHW AL 15 51 2 11 0 2 1 4 0 0 3 8 .216 .259 .353 63 18 0 0 0 0 2

07-22-2008, 02:49 PM	#16
Renner Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 416	If you don't like the default, change the 'Talent Change Randomness' to something lower. __________________ I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure-grain alcohol.

07-22-2008, 05:38 PM	#17
Dogzilla Major Leagues Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado USA Posts: 421	[QUOTE]If you don't like the default, change the 'Talent Change Randomness' to something lower.[QUOTE] Changing the player aging modifiers is probably a better choice. Maybe try .5 and see if you like the results. I use .70 for my leagues, even though I think the default settings are more realistic. Looks I messed up the "quote" feature...

07-22-2008, 05:39 PM	#18
Aytumious Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 268	Did Soriano have any injury issues?