How Many Saves for K-Rod?

Michael Hopcroft · 07-20-2008, 11:20 PM

We all have our own ideas on whether the save is a meaningful measurement of prowess in baseball, but Angels closer Francisco "K-Rod" Rodriguez picked up his 40th save of the season today at Anaheim over the Red Sox. This is in the 98th game (or therabouts) played by the LA Angels this season.

How many more saves will he get -- and, more to the point, what does it mean for him and his team that he's gathered all these saves?

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koohead · 07-20-2008, 11:35 PM

He'll finish with 57.

Dargone · 07-21-2008, 05:58 AM

62

Tony M · 07-21-2008, 06:02 AM

A save is a win in which you weren't able to put away the opposition effectively...

A save in a 1-0 game is worth so much more than a save in a 15-10 game with bases loaded and 2 outs (but that would class as a save as the tying run is in the hole)

Dagrims · 07-21-2008, 09:58 AM

61*

SandMan · 07-21-2008, 10:18 AM

58

I figure they will get 30 or so more wins. IF he saves 60% of those wins that is 18. So I will stand pat at 58 saves for the year. On pace for 64 saves, but the Angels won't keep up their current pace.

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mikev · 07-21-2008, 11:58 AM

Hopefully he won't get another save all season.

That way we won't be forced to watch him start breakdancing and acting like he just won game 7 of the world series every time he gets a save. Such a classless act, it's unbelievable. Act like you've been there before.

f.montoya · 07-21-2008, 12:00 PM

I love my Angels but unless they get more consistent offense, he's gonna get 70 saves. Period.

jazzrack · 07-21-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

Hopefully he won't get another save all season.

That way we won't be forced to watch him start breakdancing and acting like he just won game 7 of the world series every time he gets a save. Such a classless act, it's unbelievable. Act like you've been there before.

I'm the exact opposite. I like the displays of emotion, the fist pumpimg, the home run trot, watching the HR shot(& getting burned when the wind knocks one down) sports are getting so business like it is frankly boring. I watch so little sports these day because they have choked off the character of the games. and it not just baseball, pretty much all major sports. I like the guys who act like the game means something to them rather than it being just a job

72 BTW

f.montoya · 07-21-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

I'm the exact opposite. I like the displays of emotion, the fist pumpimg, the home run trot, watching the HR shot(& getting burned when the wind knocks one down) sports are getting so business like it is frankly boring. I watch so little sports these day because they have choked off the character of the games. and it not just baseball, pretty much all major sports. I like the guys who act like the game means something to them rather than it being just a job

72 BTW

I couldn't agree more.

koohead · 07-21-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

I'm the exact opposite. I like the displays of emotion, the fist pumpimg, the home run trot, watching the HR shot(& getting burned when the wind knocks one down) sports are getting so business like it is frankly boring. I watch so little sports these day because they have choked off the character of the games. and it not just baseball, pretty much all major sports. I like the guys who act like the game means something to them rather than it being just a job

which is exactly why I didn't have a problem with Joba and his "antics" when he was pitching out of the bullpen.

mikev · 07-21-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

I'm the exact opposite. I like the displays of emotion, the fist pumpimg, the home run trot, watching the HR shot(& getting burned when the wind knocks one down) sports are getting so business like it is frankly boring. I watch so little sports these day because they have choked off the character of the games. and it not just baseball, pretty much all major sports. I like the guys who act like the game means something to them rather than it being just a job

72 BTW

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

I couldn't agree more.

I don't mind celebrating and showing emotion. Hell, it's a game afterall.

I do have a problem with going so over the top that it's beyond the point of celebrating and it's being disrespectful to the other players and showing up the other team. You won, great, be excited. Do it with some class though. Rodriguez does not.

jbergey22 · 07-21-2008, 02:02 PM

The metrics of the Angels show that they are winning far more games that they really should be. I would expect some of these close games to start going the other way. In any case I expect him to get 60+. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Angels a game or 2 below the 500 mark the rest of the season however. They still easily take the division.

Boom Boom · 07-21-2008, 02:16 PM

he will break the 60 save plateau..saves are pretty much overrated.

Boom Boom · 07-21-2008, 02:25 PM

double post, please delete

f.montoya · 07-23-2008, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikev

I don't mind celebrating and showing emotion. Hell, it's a game afterall.

I do have a problem with going so over the top that it's beyond the point of celebrating and it's being disrespectful to the other players and showing up the other team. You won, great, be excited. Do it with some class though. Rodriguez does not.

This is a little more classy, I suppose. Instead of pointing to the sky in a latino-like pointing to God, shake that fist directly at the batter.

f.montoya · 07-23-2008, 11:15 AM

Dola,

I don't like the A's at all but I loved how much Eck's animation riled me up back in the day.

Green & Gold Heart · 07-23-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

Dola,

I don't like the A's at all but I loved how much Eck's animation riled me up back in the day.

I couldn't find a picture of it, but Eck would sometimes point directly at the batter and follow it up with a fist pump. If that's not showing up the opponent, I don't know what is.

Sure, I think K-Rod's squat n' scream routine is obnoxious and annoying. But it's easy to feel that way when you're a fan of the opposition.

f.montoya · 07-23-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Green & Gold Heart

I couldn't find a picture of it, but Eck would sometimes point directly at the batter and follow it up with a fist pump. If that's not showing up the opponent, I don't know what is.

Sure, I think K-Rod's squat n' scream routine is obnoxious and annoying. But it's easy to feel that way when you're a fan of the opposition.

Babe Ruth's called shot, whether true or not, is as disrespectful as disrespectful gets. Legend or not, it just goes to show that this kind of thing has occurred throughout the history of baseball. Even though Ruth may not have made it a daily occurrence, it doesn't make it any more acceptable to the fans of the opposition. Yet demonstrations of such disrespect definitely bring entertainment value to a sport that lacks an ability to pull fans with it's otherwise boring characters that fill rosters these days.

rasnell · 07-23-2008, 03:55 PM

Now that's an area where I've got some experience. I completed a manuscript for a book about the 1929 Chicago Cubs and spent many hours researching and corroborating information from Charlie Root's daughter, Della Root Arnold, who lives in California.

Later, in the 1932 World Series, Ruth was being harassed by the Cubs and pointed toward the dugout. He motioned to Root on the mound when he had two strikes and Catcher Gabby Hartnett said that Ruth motioned to Root that it only took one to hit one.

He did not stand defiantly, pointing toward centerfield, like the lousy movie of years ago.

A homemade film, owned by the grandson of the fan, is in Louisville, Ky. What is shown on the film is closest to the account that Gabby Hartnett gave to reporters for years. He certainly had the best spot to witness it all. It looked like Ruth was shooting a pistol with his hand and motioning directly at Root. This would be consistent when Hartnett said Ruth said it only took one to hit one.

If Root had felt he was being shown up or that Ruth was calling his shot, he definitely would have knocked Ruth down. Even Ruth said that in initial news reports. But Ruth eventually backed off trying to set the record straight because the myth made him look even more heroic.

As Della said about the pitch, having seats with her Mom just 10 rows behind the plate for her Father's World Series game in 1932, "If that big fat guy had pointed, you'd think we would have seen it."

Root's strongest comment about Ruth's HR was that he couldn't believe he hit it so hard. Root intentionally had wasted the pitch because he was ahead in the count. You can see on the film that this is true. Ruth is bending, reaching out and golfs the ball out.

07-20-2008, 11:20 PM	#1
Michael Hopcroft Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Portland, OR USA Posts: 487	How Many Saves for K-Rod? We all have our own ideas on whether the save is a meaningful measurement of prowess in baseball, but Angels closer Francisco "K-Rod" Rodriguez picked up his 40th save of the season today at Anaheim over the Red Sox. This is in the 98th game (or therabouts) played by the LA Angels this season. How many more saves will he get -- and, more to the point, what does it mean for him and his team that he's gathered all these saves? The Sports Network - Major League Baseball

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SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	58 I figure they will get 30 or so more wins. IF he saves 60% of those wins that is 18. So I will stand pat at 58 saves for the year. On pace for 64 saves, but the Angels won't keep up their current pace. . Last edited by SandMan; 07-21-2008 at 03:32 PM.

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mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Hopefully he won't get another save all season. That way we won't be forced to watch him start breakdancing and acting like he just won game 7 of the world series every time he gets a save. Such a classless act, it's unbelievable. Act like you've been there before. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

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f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,069	I love my Angels but unless they get more consistent offense, he's gonna get 70 saves. Period. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) www.allsimbaseball.com (OOTP web hosting - Customized sites for online leagues - Sign up, Connect OOTP and Play!) Share Your Mods - Free, unlimited and easy to upload to share your Mods instantly(free site registration required)

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jbergey22 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,481	The metrics of the Angels show that they are winning far more games that they really should be. I would expect some of these close games to start going the other way. In any case I expect him to get 60+. I wouldnt be surprised to see the Angels a game or 2 below the 500 mark the rest of the season however. They still easily take the division.

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Boom Boom Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 361	he will break the 60 save plateau..saves are pretty much overrated.

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Boom Boom Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 361	double post, please delete Last edited by Boom Boom; 07-21-2008 at 06:41 PM. Reason: delete this post :)

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f.montoya Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,069	Dola, I don't like the A's at all but I loved how much Eck's animation riled me up back in the day. __________________ Fidel Montoya Asahi2 Baseball ex-Commissioner(Historical League Since 2004) www.allsimbaseball.com (OOTP web hosting - Customized sites for online leagues - Sign up, Connect OOTP and Play!) Share Your Mods - Free, unlimited and easy to upload to share your Mods instantly(free site registration required)

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rasnell Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frankfort, Kentucky Posts: 3,746	Now that's an area where I've got some experience. I completed a manuscript for a book about the 1929 Chicago Cubs and spent many hours researching and corroborating information from Charlie Root's daughter, Della Root Arnold, who lives in California. Later, in the 1932 World Series, Ruth was being harassed by the Cubs and pointed toward the dugout. He motioned to Root on the mound when he had two strikes and Catcher Gabby Hartnett said that Ruth motioned to Root that it only took one to hit one. He did not stand defiantly, pointing toward centerfield, like the lousy movie of years ago. A homemade film, owned by the grandson of the fan, is in Louisville, Ky. What is shown on the film is closest to the account that Gabby Hartnett gave to reporters for years. He certainly had the best spot to witness it all. It looked like Ruth was shooting a pistol with his hand and motioning directly at Root. This would be consistent when Hartnett said Ruth said it only took one to hit one. If Root had felt he was being shown up or that Ruth was calling his shot, he definitely would have knocked Ruth down. Even Ruth said that in initial news reports. But Ruth eventually backed off trying to set the record straight because the myth made him look even more heroic. As Della said about the pitch, having seats with her Mom just 10 rows behind the plate for her Father's World Series game in 1932, "If that big fat guy had pointed, you'd think we would have seen it." Root's strongest comment about Ruth's HR was that he couldn't believe he hit it so hard. Root intentionally had wasted the pitch because he was ahead in the count. You can see on the film that this is true. Ruth is bending, reaching out and golfs the ball out. __________________ Charlie Root won more games for the Cubs than any pitcher (201), yet was remembered for one pitch to Babe Ruth. Find out more about the 1929 World Series in my book, "Root for the Cubs: Charlie Root and the 1929 Chicago Cubs." See the web site at www.rootforthecubs.com. The book is at http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cubs-Char...t+for+the+cubs. Beta tester, OOTP 2007-2023 and iOOTP 2011-2014. Last edited by rasnell; 07-23-2008 at 03:58 PM.