More Realistic CEI

Giants44 · 06-20-2008, 12:58 PM

this has been something I have wanted for awhile. But I think we need a more realistic CEI scenario.

IRL when a players career is ended by injury he tends to be out for a long time, then tried rehab, maybe has a setback or two, a rehap assingment down in the minors and a failed comeback or two. These things generally play themselves out over a 2-3 year period with the occasional successfull comeback.

In OOTP guy gets hurt and pretty much retires the next day - That only happens IRL with extreme things like Dave Dravecky or Darryl Kile.

I also think they are way too frequent - In OOTP I have 2-3 a year, IRL I think you get one maybe every other year, although that is simply my impression - I could off base on that.

Erich Ingram · 06-20-2008, 01:00 PM

I think they should happen more frequently in the minor leagues in OOTP than the majors with mid level to lower level players as they are making nothing and it is easier for them to just give up and go to another job. MLBer will try anything they can to stay in the game.

falkonisback · 06-20-2008, 01:03 PM

Well I've read in one of the threads that Markus posted that in version 9, some players who go out with CEI will sometimes attempt a comeback. I wonder if they just all of sudden one day show up in the free agent pool and wait to be signed, or if there is a news story sent out stating that Player X is coming out of retirement and attempting a comeback....NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL!!

bailey · 06-20-2008, 01:12 PM

The most unrealistic feature of CEI is that contracts just get cancelled.

Doughnuts? · 06-20-2008, 01:32 PM

I edited the injury file to eliminate all CEI's. Didn't feel right to me either.

Exodor · 06-20-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bailey

The most unrealistic feature of CEI is that contracts just get cancelled.

If a MLB player goes out with a CEI does insurance reimburse the team for the remainder of the contract?

It seems like I read something about that once but I'm far too lazy to Google it.

Cryomaniac · 06-20-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Exodor

If a MLB player goes out with a CEI does insurance reimburse the team for the remainder of the contract?

It seems like I read something about that once but I'm far too lazy to Google it.

I dunno about MLB, but with Kevin Everett in the NFL he was paid to the end of the season, then released so he could claim disability insurance.

Giants44 · 06-20-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I dunno about MLB, but with Kevin Everett in the NFL he was paid to the end of the season, then released so he could claim disability insurance.

I don't know the exact rules - but I do know the major difference between NFL and MLB is that NFL contracts are not guaranteed and MLB's are.

that means you can cut an NFL player at any time and not owe him another penny. You are on the cap for his prorated signing bonus, but NFL teams don't send out checks to long gone players the way the MLB does.

most Giants fans wish Barry Zito was an NFL player.

AESP_pres · 06-20-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

this has been something I have wanted for awhile. But I think we need a more realistic CEI scenario.(...)

When a player get a career ending injury, in my case, I just edit the player and remove the career ending. The player is injured for a very long time (the last one that I've edited is injured for 16 months). After that I edit the player history.

Of course I just do that for the major league players, a long term injury is usually the end for a minor leaguer.

SittingDuck · 06-20-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

I don't know the exact rules - but I do know the major difference between NFL and MLB is that NFL contracts are not guaranteed and MLB's are.

That's why I can deal with the NFL from a financial 'acceptability' standpoint and think MLBPA is just like the Mob.

zekester91 · 06-20-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Giants44

In OOTP guy gets hurt and pretty much retires the next day - That only happens IRL with extreme things like Dave Dravecky or Darryl Kile.

Dave Dravecky tried to make two comebacks, his first was ended when he had one of the sickest injuries I've ever seen in baseball, breaking his arm while pitching, and the second ended when he was celibrating with the Giants won the National League pennant in 1989, and Drs found the cancer had returned, up untill that point (at least acording to the two books Comeback, published in 1990, and When You Can't Come Back, published in 1992), he was hoping to return for the 1990 season, and it still took him 18 days to retire.

umwol13 · 06-20-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Exodor

If a MLB player goes out with a CEI does insurance reimburse the team for the remainder of the contract?

It seems like I read something about that once but I'm far too lazy to Google it.

Teams used to buy insurance for these kind of huge contracts. However, ever since Mo Vaughn, insurance companies are very hesitant to provide insurance for these kind of contracts. Most are now deemed uninsurable and for the few that are insurable, the premiums on these policies are enough to deter a team from even buying the insurance in the first place.

So basically, teams are stuck with paying the remainder of player's contract if he suffers a CEI. I believe the Yankees are still paying Carl Pavano as we speak.

Giants44 · 06-20-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zekester91

Dave Dravecky tried to make two comebacks, his first was ended when he had one of the sickest injuries I've ever seen in baseball, breaking his arm while pitching, and the second ended when he was celibrating with the Giants won the National League pennant in 1989, and Drs found the cancer had returned, up untill that point (at least acording to the two books Comeback, published in 1990, and When You Can't Come Back, published in 1992), he was hoping to return for the 1990 season, and it still took him 18 days to retire.

I am losing my mind in my old age, but I had remembered (obviously incorrectly) when he broke his arm throwing that pitch. I was watching that game on TV and have seen the replay 1,000 times. I thought that it was immediate that everyone knew his career was over at that point. thanks for pointing that out.

sad really that something that was such a poignant moment in my life I can't even remember the details now - sucks getting old.

06-20-2008, 12:58 PM	#1
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06-20-2008, 01:00 PM	#2
Erich Ingram Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,199	I think they should happen more frequently in the minor leagues in OOTP than the majors with mid level to lower level players as they are making nothing and it is easier for them to just give up and go to another job. MLBer will try anything they can to stay in the game. __________________ Erich Ingram (Rolen17) IOSBL San Diego Aztecs 2010, 2012,2013, 2014 World Series Champions Maelstrom Padres 2026 World Champions eMLB Washington Nationals

06-20-2008, 01:03 PM	#3
falkonisback All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Iberia, Louisiana Posts: 869	Well I've read in one of the threads that Markus posted that in version 9, some players who go out with CEI will sometimes attempt a comeback. I wonder if they just all of sudden one day show up in the free agent pool and wait to be signed, or if there is a news story sent out stating that Player X is coming out of retirement and attempting a comeback....NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL!!

06-20-2008, 01:12 PM	#4
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,315	The most unrealistic feature of CEI is that contracts just get cancelled.

06-20-2008, 01:32 PM	#5
Doughnuts? All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 704	I edited the injury file to eliminate all CEI's. Didn't feel right to me either.