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Old 02-02-2008, 05:18 PM   #1
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Alt Superbowl Listings Thread

Back in 2003 I started a thread based on the premise that the teams that lost in each year's League/Conference Championship actually went to the Super Bowl.

Condensing and updating that material here for the end of the 2007 Season.

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For imagination's sake: What would have been had the teams that lost in the Conference Championships actually won? No Packers dynasty? Dallas, San Fran, Oakland and the Rams emerge as the great dynasties. The Browns dynasty of the '80s? Jay Schroeder as a Super Bowl trivia answer?

1966: Dallas v. Buffalo -- Dandy Don Meredith against Jack Kemp and the Bills.

1967: Dallas v. Houston -- An "All-Texas" Superbowl, perhaps Meredith and Co. become the first Super Bowl Dynasty...

1968: Cleveland v. Oakland -- No Jets upset! The Browns go up against the Mad Bomber, Daryle Lamonica.

1969: Cleveland v. Oakland -- Round II...

1970: San Francisco v. Oakland -- "Bay Bowl I" features John Brodie versus the Three-Peat possibility in Oakland, their rivals across the bay.

1971: San Francisco v. Baltimore -- Does Unitas get his ring a year later than reality? Does Brodie win two in a row? Is a Niners Dynasty born a decade before they really became one?

1972: Dallas v. Pittsburgh -- Three years before these famous rivals really met we might have seen Staubach and Bradshaw go head-to-head. Miami heads home just shy of perfection.

1973: Dallas v. Oakland -- What a dynasty the Cowboys might have been? How about Oakland for that matter? 4 trips to the Super Bowl in 7 seasons.

1974: LA Rams v. Oakland -- With a twist of history could the LA Rams have become the 'Team of the '70s'?

1975: LA Rams v. Oakland -- Round II...And we have a second run of 3-consecutive Super Bowls for Oakland. Amazing!!!

1976: LA Rams v. Pittsburgh -- Like the Raiders, the Rams could have been in position to grab three straight titles. Even so, just making three consecutive appearances is something!

1977: Minnesota v. Oakland -- Fran Tarkenton makes his first appearance against the AFC's perennial represenative a year later than in reality. Would the result have been any different?

1978: LA Rams v. Houston -- The Rams are back...again, but this time its the punishing ground game of Earl Campbell they must contend with.

1979: Tampa Bay v. Houston -- 'Clockwork Orange' versus 'Love Ya' Blue' is the ultimate in 'colorful' Super Bowls. It is sure to be a hard-hitting one as Campbell and Selmon come face to face.

1980: Dallas v. San Diego -- The Boys get back after a 7 year absence, as Danny White leads them over the hump. 'Air Coryell' actually gets a shot at the Lombardi Trophy.

1981: Dallas v. San Diego -- A classic rematch of White/Dorsett versus Fouts/Winslow/Joiner/Chandler.

1982: Dallas v. New York Jets -- Danny White might have cemented his place among the greats, have fulfilled his promise in the line of great Cowboy QBs. Dallas joins the Raiders and Rams as "Three Peat" possibilities. Oh, and Bama's Richard Todd might actually have followed Namath's footsteps...

1983: San Francisco v. Seattle -- West Coast v Ground Chuck. Joe Montana leads the cutting edge passing attack against the greatest Cinderella team in (our alternate) Super Bowl history. Could Krieg, Largent and Warner have pulled off the upset?

1984: Chicago v. Pittsburgh -- A classic ugly game as the defense oriented Bears and the last legs of the old Steel Curtain clash. Mobile QB's McMahon and Malone battle for the top prize...

1985: LA Rams v Miami -- Dan Marino and the potent Miami offense take on the Cinderella Rams who have upset the mighty Bears. CFL legend Dieter Brock on sports' biggest stage?!? Wow.

1986: Washington v. Cleveland -- The Browns are the first team to represent both the NFL and the AFC in the Super Bowl. Bernie Kosar prepares to duel with surprising Jay Schroeder. Could this herald the start of a late-'80s Browns dynasty?

1987: Minnesota v. Cleveland -- Darrin Nelson catches Wade Wilson's last gasp pass at the goal line and the Vikings go to the Super Bowl. They meet Marty Schottenheimer's emerging dynasty. Could the Browns have been the 'Team of the '80s'?

1988: Chicago v. Buffalo -- The Monsters get back after 4 years while Jim Kelly drives the fueding Bills in a few years ahead of schedule.

1989: LA Rams v. Browns -- the 'Team of the '70s' versus the 'Team of the late '80s'. Young Jim Everett looks to cement what appears to be a promising legacy. Bernie Kosar reaches for legend status.

1990: San Francisco v. Los Angeles -- The second 'Bay Bowl' as the Niners survive the powerful Giants and follow backup Steve Young (subbing for injured Montana) in a matchup against Jay Schroeder, the first QB to lead two different teams into the Super Bowl.

1991: Detroit v. Denver -- Barry Sanders and the surprising Erik Kramer lead the Lions into the big dance while John Elway makes his first appearance and only the third appearance by a Class of '83 alum.

1992: San Francisco v. Miami -- Young takes the Niners to the dance on his own against Marino making his second Super Bowl appearance.

1993: San Francisco v. Kansas City -- Montana (or Dave Krieg, who may have had to engineer the AFC Championship Game victory if Montana was hurt, as he was regularly in 1993) leads the Chiefs to their first ever appearance against a surging Young and the rising 49ers dynasty of the 1990s!

1994: Dallas v. Pittsburgh -- A year ahead of schedule.

1995: Green Bay v. Indianapolis -- The Packers finally make the dance, while the Cinderella Colts and "Captain Comeback" look for the upset.

1996: Carolina v. Jacksonville -- The Expansion Bowl!

1997: San Francisco v. Pittsburgh -- How about that Niners Dynasty?

1998: Minnesota v. New York -- The high octane Vikings are heavy favorites against the tough, Parcells led, Jets.

1999: Tampa Bay v. Jacksonville -- Great Buc defense is featured in the first All-Florida Bowl. Two bowls in four years for the young Jags is most impressive.

2000: Minnesota v. Oakland -- the Raiders get back 10 years after their last appearance.

2001: Philadelphia v. Pittsburgh -- The Keystone Bowl.

2002: Philadelphia v. Tennessee: The high-flying Eagles go for two in a row while the Titans make that franchise's first appearance in the Super Bowl since 1979, when they were the Oilers.

2003: Philadelphia v. Indianapolis: The high-octane Colts would square off against an Eagles team that might be joining the ranks of 'three-peat' NFL champions. Could the Eagles have pulled it off?

2004: Atlanta v. Pittsburgh: The Falcons make their first Super Bowl appearance (as opposed to 1998 reality) and go up against the Steelers who were in the big game not all that long ago (2001 in alternate reality). Maybe the Steelers make it four straight Lombardi Trophies for the state of Pennsylvania?

2005: Carolina v. Denver: The Panthers make appearance #2 in their short history (went behind Kerry Collins in 1996) while Denver, a much older franchise, also makes only its second appearance (went in 1991 against the Detroit Lions). What would have been the outcome of a battle between the two Jakes?

2006: New Orleans v. New England: It is the 'All New' Super Bowl as both teams make their first appearance in this alternate reality. New Orleans looks to put the perfect ending on a story-book season.

2007: Green Bay v. San Diego: In our alternate, looking-glass, reality this would be the vet Favre getting back after 12 years away (he was there in 1995) against a Chargers team making its first appearance since the Air Coryell "dynasty" of 1980-81.

2008: Philadelphia Eagles v. Baltimore Ravens: Had the "Counterfactual" history above played out, it must be assumed this Baltimore team was born via expansion (given the Browns' great history.) This is rookie Joe Flacco and coach John Harbaugh up against the Reid-McNabb machine we last saw in three straight 'Big' games (2001-2003.)

2009: Minnesota Vikings v. New York Jets: This is the "Favre Bowl." Brett Favre returns to his third Super Bowl, a year removed from his second trip with Green Bay. Meanwhile, the team he spent that off-year with, the Jets, enter under the guidance of Rex Ryan and rookie QB Mark Sanchez.

2010: Chicago Bears v. New York Jets: Back-to-back opportunities for the Gang Green, their mean defense, and GQ regular, 'Broadway' Mark Sanchez. The Bears have a shot at the title for first time since January '89 behind Urlacher, Jay Cutler, and the Mike Martz version of the Air Coryell offense.

2011: San Francisco 49ers v. Baltimore Ravens: A second trip for the Harbaugh-Flacco Ravens, while brother Jim Harbaugh guides the Alex Smith led Niners towards some serious vindication. Been a long time since Steve Young's 1990s dynasty by the bay.

2012: Atlanta Falcons v. New England Patriots: A second trip for both franchises (2004, 2006 previously respectively), the Falcons a very different team from the Michael Vick-led team of the past. Lots of talk about 'Matty Ice' in the run-up to this one. Pats of Brady-Belichick must be regarded as the model of regular season success turning to postseason disappointment in this era of the NFL. A win here would help ease their pain.

2013: San Francisco 49ers v. New England Patriots: What was that about the postseason miseries of the Patriots? Strike it. A possible third title in this era is nothing to sneeze at. Niners back after a year away with antelope-like QB Colin Kaepernick at the helm and amazing depth around the roster.

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EPHEMERA:

I wonder, could it have been the Landry Trophy? Maybe the Collier Trophy? More fittingly the Madden or Knox Trophy?

Chuck Knox the first man - possibly - to lead two different teams, from different leagues, to Super Bowl victories (the L.A. Rams of the 1970s, the '83 Seahawks).

Class of '83 guys in the Super Bowl. Kelly once. Marino twice. Elway once.

James Harris of the L.A. Rams is the first black QB to start a Super Bowl, doing so for the 1974 L.A. Rams (some 13 years before Doug Williams really did it for the 1987 Redskins). Williams, himself, could actually have been starting a Super Bowl only 5 years later with the 1979 Bucs.

Some Super Bowl QBs you'd never expect:

Pat Haden
Dan Pastorini
Deiter Brock -- CFL legend status excepted
Dave Krieg (maybe twice)
Mark Malone
Jay Schroeder (remember, first guy to take two different teams to the Super Bowl)
Wade Wilson
Erik Kramer
Mike Tomczak (potentially, for the '88 Bears)
Shaun King

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The official run-down of "alternate reality" appearances 1966-2007:

NFC EAST
Washington - 1 (1986)
Dallas - 8 (66-67, 72-73, 80-82, 94)
Philadelphia - 4 (01-03, 08)
New York - NA

NFC NORTH
Green Bay - 2 (1995, 2007)
Chicago - 3 (1984, 1988, 2010)
Detroit - 1 (1991)
Minnesota - 5 (1977, 1987, 1998, 2000, 2009)

NFC SOUTH
Tampa Bay - 2 (1979, 1999)
Atlanta - 2 (2004, 2012)
Carolina - 2 (1996, 2005)
New Orleans - 1 (2006)

NFC WEST
Arizona - NA
St. Louis - 6 (74-76, 78, 85, 89) (All as Los Angeles Rams)
Seattle - 1 (1983)
San Fran - 9 (1970-71, 1983, 90, 92-93, 1997, 2011, 2013)

AFC EAST
Miami - 2 (1985, 1992)
New England - 3 (2006, 2012-13)
NY Jets - 4 (1982, 1998, 2009-2010)
Buffalo - 2 (1966, 1988)

AFC NORTH
Pittsburgh - 7 (1972, 1976, 1984, 94, 97, 01, 04)
Cleveland - 5 (68-69, 86-87, 1989)
Cincinnati - NA
Baltimore - 2 (2008, 2011)

AFC SOUTH
Indianapolis - 3 (1971, 1995, 2003)
Tennessee - 4 (1967, 1978-79, 2002) (3 times as Houston Oilers)
Jacksonville - 2 (1996, 1999)
Houston2 - NA

AFC WEST
Denver - 2 (1991, 2005)
San Diego - 3 (1980-81, 2007)
Kansas City - 1 (1993)
Oakland - 9 (68-70, 73-75, 77, 90, 2000) (1x as LA Raiders)

**For a more complete alternate reality handling of the NFL playoffs, see Hurkman's Alternate NFL Playoffs Thread
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Old 02-02-2008, 06:26 PM   #2
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It's been brought back up again! I still tip my cap to you for this idea, Professor. Without it, I wouldn't be on my crazy, crazy scheme to play every playoff game ever in the Super Bowl era. This is the original!
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Updated for 2013: the Giants, Cardinals, Bengals and Texans remain 'danceless' in this alternate reality. I wonder if the possibility of back-to-back titles for Mark Sanchez erases, or precludes, the ignominy of the "Butt Fumble".
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Pretty cool to see. This reality makes Andy Reid look a lot better haha
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