Time Warp HOF Ballot 1977

jdw · 11-25-2007, 11:30 PM

This is the annual Time Warp Baseball League Hall of Fame thread.

New to the ballot are the All Decade first baseman of the 60s who broke the line for Japanese players in the league. In addition there are the last two members of the great Dodgers rotation, one of whom was a All Decade performer.

It's the last season on the ballot for three-time Pitcher of the Year Corky Stell, a member of the legenday Mighty Tigers dynasty.

Have at it.

John

jdw · 11-25-2007, 11:31 PM

1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash), 1961 Results, 1962 Results, 1963 Results, 1964 Results, 1965 Results, 1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results, 1969 Results, 1970 Results, 1971 Results, 1972 Results, 1973 Results, 1974 Results, 1975 Results, 1976 Results

All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1977 (retired after 1971 season).

All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected.

Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10.

PLEASE NOTE:
Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII

Notes:

OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras.

All Pros are for the Post War era only (1946-). There are traditionally voted on by a poll of the league's GM's and regular participants (1946-48, 1950-62, 1969-) or by the Sporting News (1949, 1963-68, All Decade & Centenial Teams). The year end teams are named for each league and feature one player for each field position along with 4-5 starting pitchers (depending on the rotation size of the era) and one relief pitcher.

jdw · 11-25-2007, 11:31 PM

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

189 - Woody Woodson
186 - Ray Kress
166 - Dark Horse Allen
163 - Jason Tedford
159 - Whitey Kohse
158 - Oscar Vancini
156 - Charlton Brown
152 - Jed Burke
152 - Patrick Seifried
152 - Arnie Stewart
149 - Genaro Nunez
148 - Whiskey Allen
148 - Ken Chaucer
147 - Lonny Arrendale
146 - Peaches Badeau
146 - Dave Lemmings
145 - Blake Crocitto
145 - Paul Lett
142 - Hershel Lee
141 - Ben Baum
141 - Tee Carver
141 - Ogden Wing
141 - Asa Booker
140 - Bud Breckenridge
140 - John Falise
140 - Ray Brown
140 - Scott Podlasek
140 - Dale Lamberty
140 - Bobby Martin
139 - Dewey Mickelsen
139 - Tom Howard
138 - Tyrell Chestnut
138 - Wolter Tjeenk-Willink
138 - John Degal
138 - Rudel Dietrich
137 - Kid Fite
137 - Will Miller
137 - Steven Bussell
137 - Ted McMurray
136 - Harry Cohan
136 - Jared Jarry
135 - John Klehammer
135 - Jimmy Ditty
134 - Carl Kahle
133 - Slap Hertzog
133 - Flaky Arsenault
133 - Roy Hobbs
133 - Dave Arkless
133 - Matt Perly
133 - Mark Silcox
132 - Adolf Greisbach
132 - John Schmieder
132 - Cookie Parrish
131 - Chuck Rauch
131 - Nick Graves
131 - Hans Habermehl
131 - William Perry
130 - Sunny Davie
129 - Tom Turley
129 - George Ward
129 - Ping Hung
129 - Herman Dunkel
129 - Moonlight Graham
128 - Morris Lutske
127 - Campbell Ditty
127 - Troy Kinnear
127 - Mike Fellner
126 - Bull Zegri
125 - Herm Vardaman
125 - Mike Kreitenberg
124 - Levi Walls
124 - Kenneth Whitt
123 - Dale Reneau
123 - Alan Liao
122 - Sam Kass
122 - Sal Rossi
121 - Quenton Misisca
120 - Ervin Skjerly
118 - Gus Kahle
114 - Jonny Perly
114 - Jon Minzey
110 - David McAuliffe
110 - Ted Stuart
104 - Dennis Ward
102 - Harry Finley

jdw · 11-25-2007, 11:32 PM

Batters

Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
AVG: .364
Hits: 4000
HR: 603
RBI: 1906
2B: 665
BB: 2315
R: 2004
SB: 1297

Howard "Bud" Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959
2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R
438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB
.290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS
WWII - 1 Yr
OPS+: 121
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 2
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958
WS Victories: 1951, 1958
WS Record: .209/.250/.299/.549, 2 HR, 8 RBI, 7 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1979

Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960
1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R
861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB
.286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS
WWII - 2 Yrs
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 4
All Pros: 1948, 1951
Pennants: 1946, 1948, 1955
WS Victories: 1946
WS Record: .264/.328/.434/.762, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 5 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2
Career Top 25: HR (11)
Final Year on Ballot: 1980

Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961
1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R
476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB
.260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS
OPS+: 114
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957
Pennants: 1950, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1959
WS Victories: 1950, 1957, 1959
WS Record: .250/.342/.370/.712, 2 HR, 4 RBI, 16 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5
Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20)
Final Year on Ballot: 1981

Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965
1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R
1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB
.244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS
OPS+: 128
BOY Award: 1955
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1954, 1955
Pennants: 1956, 1959
WS Victories: 1956
WS Record: .150/.292/.275/.567, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 6 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1
Career Top 25: HR (6)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

"Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966
2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R
1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB
.294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS
OPS+: 122
BOY Award: 1959
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1
All Pros: 1959, 1960
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962
WS Victories: 1961, 1962
WS Record: .252/.328/.383/.711, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 14 R
Batting Titles: 1959
Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Roger Joyce, SS, Last Season: 1967
2394 H, 341 2B, 109 HR, 837 RBI, 1128 R
746 K, 685 BB
.312 AVG, .370 OBP, .416 SLG, .785 OPS
OPS+: 122
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963
Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1966
WS Victories: 1961, 1962
WS Record: .240/.308/.339/.647, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 10 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: R 1, H 3
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

Alan Liao Jr., 2B, Last Season: 1968
1929 H, 320 2B, 65 HR, 677 RBI, 896 R
881 K, 733 BB
.321 AVG, .396 OBP, .429 SLG, .826 OPS
OPS+: 134
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1958, 1959, 1960 (SS), 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964
Pennants: 1964, 1965
WS Victories: 1964
WS Record: .179/.256/.205/.461, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 7 R
Batting Titles: 1958, 1960, 1961
Led League in: BA 3, OBP 1, H 1, 2B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

Lucien "Lulu" Arbour, LF, Last Season: 1969
2018 H, 315 2B, 214 HR, 1015 RBI, 1123 R
911 K, 538 BB, 443 SB
.305 AVG, .357 OBP, .482 SLG, .839 OPS
OPS+: 137
BOY Award: 1965
ROY Award: 1957
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1965
Pennants: 1965, 1967
WS Victories: 1965
WS Record: .196/.212/.353/.564, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 6 R
Batting Titles: 1965
Led League in: BA 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, 2B 2, 3B 2,, SB 2
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Boris "The Dancing Bear" Zimyanin, 3B, Last Season: 1969
2169 H, 313 2B, 235 HR, 1098 RBI, 1018 R
900 K, 711 BB
.295 AVG, .358 OBP, .440 SLG, .799 OPS
OPS+: 125
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1960
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1963
WS Record: .045/.080/.045/.125, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 1 R
WS Victories: NONE
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1989

Henry Thomas, CF, Last Season: 1970
2369 H, 367 2B, 285 HR, 1146 RBI, 1236 R
1402 K, 715 BB
.292 AVG, .349 OBP, .446 SLG, .815 OPS
OPS+: 131
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965
Pennants: 1961, 1964, 1965
WS Victories: 1964
WS Record: .351/.390/.610/1.001, 6 HR, 16 RBI, 16 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: 3B 2
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1990

NEW

Jack Caufield, RF, Last Season: 1971
1885 H, 233 2B, 251 HR, 963 RBI, 985 R
1001 K, 627 BB
.294 AVG, .355 OBP, .463 SLG, .818 OPS
OPS+: 133
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963
All Pros: NONE
Divisions: 1969
Pennants: 1962, 1963, 1964, 1969
WS Victories: 1963, 1969
Post Season Record: .239/.264/.398/.661, 2 HR, 15 RBI, 9 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

Jerome Fellows, SS/IF, Last Season: 1971
2243 H, 236 2B, 92 HR, 733 RBI, 1012 R
818 K, 810 BB
.312 AVG, .381 OBP, .389 SLG, .770 OPS
OPS+: 123
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: NONE
All Pros: 1964, 1970
Pennants: 1956, 1959 (bench player)
WS Victories: 1956
Post Season Record: .000/.000/.000/.000, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 R
Batting Titles: 1970
Led League in: BA 1, H 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

Shigeo Oh, 1B, Last Season: 1971
2263 H, 309 2B, 331 HR, 1330 RBI, 1233 R
491 K, 1198 BB
.297 AVG, .390 OBP, .483 SLG, .873 OPS
OPS+: 152
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1959, 1965
All Pros: 1961, 1962, 1965, 1969, All 1960s Decade Team
Divisions: 1969, 1971
Pennants: 1963, 1968
WS Victories: 1968
Post Season Record: .337/.388/.368/.757, 0 HR, 7 RBI, 7 R
Batting Titles: 1969
Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, RBI 1,
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

Alan Roloff, RF/LF, Last Season: 1971
2089 H, 387 2B, 270 HR, 1277 RBI, 1134 R
1113 K, 728 BB
.275 AVG, .338 OBP, .461 SLG, .799 OPS
OPS+: 125
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
Gold Gloves: 1961, 1968, 1969
All Pros: 1962
Pennants: 1961, 1965, 1967
WS Victories: 1965
Post Season Record: .265/.306/.485/.791, 3 HR, 12 RBI, 12 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: SLG 1, 3B 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

Ellie Vancini, LF/1B/RF, Last Season: 1971
2120 H, 359 2B, 264 HR, 1098 RBI, 1272 R
1373 K, 1075 BB
.268 AVG, .358 OBP, .433 SLG, .791 OPS
OPS+: 125
BOY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1955
Gold Gloves: 1959 & 1960 LF; 1963 & 1965 & 1967 1B
All Pros: NONE
Divisions: 1969
Pennants: 1956, 1969
WS Victories: 1969
Post Season Record: .250/.308/.317/.624, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 5 R
Batting Titles: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

jdw · 11-25-2007, 11:32 PM

Pitchers
Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List):
ERA: 2.10
W: 446
K: 4028
CG: 601
SHO: 95
SV: 390

Here's all HOF'er OPS+ for reference:

210 - Andrew Murphy
163 - Frank Smith
162 - Tim Lopresto
161 - Raymond Gindler
158 - Allen Albertini
157 - Jethro Lee
157 - Cecil Tan
150 - Randy Liebermann
145 - Punchy Cote
145 - Howard Adams
145 - Bourbon Allen Jr.
144 - Johnny Cakes Sutton
142 - Cotton Simson
138 - Dave McBean
138 - Martin Gwaltney
137 - Mark Krosser
137 - Johnny Swinson
137 - Carpenter Erickson
137 - Joe Helton
136 - Bowie Castellon
135 - Ken Zinn
134 - Otto Kahle
134 - Scott Fenner
133 - Jassen Nelson
131 - Remmy Paul
131 - Luke Riley
131 - Tobe Palmer
129 - David Wiskersham
125 - Adam Sardina
125 - Grady Ingram
124 - Bourbon Allen
124 - Art Booth
121 - Ahrend Nagel
120 - Terry Schukraft
116 - John Nolting
116 - Hal Andrew
115 - Mark Ponfick

jdw · 11-25-2007, 11:33 PM

Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956
163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA
2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP
ERA+: 131
POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953
ROY Award: NONE
All Pros: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953
Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955
WS Record: 2-2, 5.04 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 3. WHIP 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1977

Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35
210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA
3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP
ERA+: 108
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: 1949
All Pros: 1952, 1955
Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959
World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959
WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: NONE
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1983

Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46
245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA
3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP
ERA+: 112
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
All Pros: 1957
Pennants: NONE
World Championships: NONE
WS Record: N/A
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: Wins 1
Career Top 25: K's (10)
Final Year on Ballot: 1985

Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964
214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA
3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP
ERA+: 124
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963
WS MVP: 1957, 1959
All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960
Pennants: 1957, 1959
World Championships: 1957, 1959
WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA
No-Hitters: 2
Led League in: SHO 2,
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1986

Cal Granger, Last Season: 1968
100-104, 49.0%, 3.53 ERA
1426.3 IP, 421 BB, 609 K, 390 SV
ERA+: N/A
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
All Pros: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1962, 1964; 1950s All Decade Team
Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958, 1963
World Championships: 1951, 1958
WS Record: 0-1, 3.49 ERA, 4 SV
Led League in: SV 6, G 1
Career Top 25: SV (1), Appearances (1), Relief Innings (1)
Final Year on Ballot: 1988

Brad De la Garza, Last Season: 1970
222-137, 61.8%, 3.23 ERA
3381.2 IP, 840 BB, 1994 K, 167 CG, 28 SHO, 1.19 WHIP
ERA+: 128
POY Award: 1967
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
All Pros: 1959, 1963, 1967
Divisions: 1969
Pennants: 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1968
World Championships: 1961, 1962, 1968
WS Record: 1-4, 5.17 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 1, SHO 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1990

NEW

Morgan Cuellar, Last Season: 1970
43-78, 35.5%, 3.81 ERA
770.3 IP, 323 BB, 646 K, 259 SV
ERA+: N/A
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: NONE
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1964, 1965
World Championships: 1964
WS Record: 1-0, 1.42 ERA, 1 SV
Led League in: SV 3
Career Top 25: SV (8)
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

Lukas Dietrich, Last Season: 1970
193-235, 45.1%, 4.33 ERA
3893.0 IP, 2196 BB, 4028 K, 61 CG, 10 SHO, 1.35 WHIP
ERA+: 94
POY Award: NONE
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
All Pros: NONE
Pennants: 1962
World Championships: 1962
WS Record: DNP
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: K 5, BB 7
Career Top 25: K (1)
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

Wesley McGee, Last Season: 1971
177-118, 60.0%, 3.02 ERA
2772.7 IP, 465 BB, 1715 K, 44 CG, 11 SHO, 1.12 WHIP
ERA+: 144
POY Award: 1963
ROY Award: NONE
GG Award: NONE
WS MVP: 1961, 1962
All Pros: 1960, 1961. 1962, 1966, All 1960s Decade Team
Pennants: 1960, 1961, 1962
World Championships: 1961, 1962
WS Record: 4-0, 1.51 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: ERA 3, Wins 1
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

Brock Putnam, Last Season: 1971
187-106, 63.8%, 2.94 ERA
2869.7 IP, 601 BB, 1636 K, 180 CG, 36 SHO, 1.16 WHIP
ERA+: 134
POY Award: 1960
ROY Award: 1960
GG Award: NONE
All Pros: 1960, 1962, 1964
Pennants: 1960, 1961, 1962
World Championships: 1961, 1962
WS Record: 3-0, 2.92 ERA
No-Hitters: NONE
Led League in: W 1, IP 1, SHO 2
Career Top 25: NONE
Final Year on Ballot: 1991

jdw · 11-25-2007, 11:35 PM

Ben Cook
Cal Granger
Brad De la Garza
Alan Liao Jr.
Hank Makris
Wesley McGee
Shigeo Oh
Henry Thomas
Corky Stell
Wilford Woodworth

tward13 · 11-25-2007, 11:53 PM

Stell
Joyce
Liao
Makris
De La Garza
Oh
McGee
Putnam

kreitena · 11-26-2007, 12:12 AM

Joyce
Liao Jr.
Oh
Stell
McGee
Putnam
Tjeenk-Willink
Makris
Woodworth
Cook

canadiancreed · 11-26-2007, 12:24 AM

Sweet it's back!

Ayers
NOel
JOyce
Oh (Doctor!)
ULrich
Lex
Makris
Garza
Granger
Stell

I was wondering if Roloff would make it or not.

SandMan · 11-26-2007, 08:48 AM

I would select:

Oh
Tjeerk_Willink
Cook
Liao
Fellows
Putnam
McGee

TWB Brewers · 11-26-2007, 11:09 AM

Bobby Johnson
Wilford Woodworth
Alan Liao Jr.
Roger Joyce
Cal Granger
Henry Thomas
Hank Makris
Brad De la Garza
Shigeo Oh
Wesley McGee

tward13 · 11-26-2007, 11:31 AM

Don't think Ormiston is eligible any longer.

DamnYankees · 11-26-2007, 12:24 PM

Woodworth
Noel
Joyce
Arbour
Oh
Makris
De La Garza
McGee
Putnam

jeheinz72 · 11-26-2007, 12:31 PM

Cook
Liao Jr
Caufield
Oh
Stell
Tjeenk-Willink
Makris
Granger
De La Garza
McGee

TWB Brewers · 11-26-2007, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

Don't think Ormiston is eligible any longer.

Force of habit.

knightni · 11-27-2007, 01:14 PM

Bud Ayers
Wil Woodworth
Grumpy Noel
Roger Joyce
Alan Liao Jr.
Shigeo Oh
Lex Tjeenk-Willink
Brad De la Garza

Y0DA55 · 11-27-2007, 08:21 PM

Haven't done this in a couple months... figured I should chime back in.

Cook
Joyce
Liao Jr.
Oh
Stell
Ulrich
Tjeenk-Willink
Granger
De La Garza
McGee

rudel.dietrich · 11-27-2007, 09:27 PM

Joyce
Liao Jr
Arbour
Thomas
Oh

Stell
Makris
De La Garza
McGee
Putnam

rudel.dietrich · 11-27-2007, 09:28 PM

Some tough choices

McGee and Putnam caused me undue amounts of torture in my years in Milwaukee

11-25-2007, 11:30 PM	#1
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Time Warp HOF Ballot 1977 This is the annual Time Warp Baseball League Hall of Fame thread. New to the ballot are the All Decade first baseman of the 60s who broke the line for Japanese players in the league. In addition there are the last two members of the great Dodgers rotation, one of whom was a All Decade performer. It's the last season on the ballot for three-time Pitcher of the Year Corky Stell, a member of the legenday Mighty Tigers dynasty. Have at it. John

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kreitena Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 302	Joyce Liao Jr. Oh Stell McGee Putnam Tjeenk-Willink Makris Woodworth Cook __________________ PBRL - Chicago Cubs TWB - Los Angeles Dodgers Last edited by kreitena; 11-26-2007 at 07:33 PM.

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TWB Brewers Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 10	Bobby Johnson Wilford Woodworth Alan Liao Jr. Roger Joyce Cal Granger Henry Thomas Hank Makris Brad De la Garza Shigeo Oh Wesley McGee Last edited by TWB Brewers; 11-26-2007 at 07:22 PM. Reason: Removing Ormiston

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jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	1936 Initial Ballot Results, 1937 Results, 1938 Results, 1939 Results, 1940 Results, 1941 Results, 1942 Results, 1943 Results, 1944 Results, 1945 Results, 1946 Results, 1947 Results, 1948 Results, 1949 Results, 1950 Results, 1951 Results, 1952 Results, 1953 Results, 1954 Results, 1955 Results, 1956 Results, 1957 Results, 1958 Results, 1959 Results, 1960 Results (lost in board crash), 1961 Results, 1962 Results, 1963 Results, 1964 Results, 1965 Results, 1966 Results, 1967 Results, 1968 Results, 1969 Results, 1970 Results, 1971 Results, 1972 Results, 1973 Results, 1974 Results, 1975 Results, 1976 Results All players who received at least 5% of votes on the last ballot were retained for this ballot. I also added players who became eligible for the ballot in 1977 (retired after 1971 season). All players not receiving 5% of votes on this ballot will be removed. Also, all players who have been retired for 20 years fall off this ballot if not elected. Vote for as many or as few as you want. Max votes are 10. PLEASE NOTE: Players who lost service time to the war are denoted with: WWII Notes: OPS+ and ERA+ are listed for all players now. 100 is considered league average. The higher the # the better the player. This lets you see how they did in relation to the players of their generation while also letting you compare their dominance of the league to players from different eras. All Pros are for the Post War era only (1946-). There are traditionally voted on by a poll of the league's GM's and regular participants (1946-48, 1950-62, 1969-) or by the Sporting News (1949, 1963-68, All Decade & Centenial Teams). The year end teams are named for each league and feature one player for each field position along with 4-5 starting pitchers (depending on the rotation size of the era) and one relief pitcher.

11-25-2007, 11:32 PM	#4
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Batters Current Career Leaders (Click to View Entire List): AVG: .364 Hits: 4000 HR: 603 RBI: 1906 2B: 665 BB: 2315 R: 2004 SB: 1297 Howard "Bud" Ayers, 3B, Last Season: 1959 2347 H, 393 2B, 261 HR, 1313 RBI, 1124 R 438 K, 811 BB, 3 SB .290 AVG, .355 OBP, .443 SLG, .798 OPS WWII - 1 Yr OPS+: 121 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 2 All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958 WS Victories: 1951, 1958 WS Record: .209/.250/.299/.549, 2 HR, 8 RBI, 7 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1979 Bobby Johnson, 1B, Last Season: 1960 1932 H, 380 2B, 363 HR, 1348 RBI, 989 R 861 K, 527 BB, 12 SB .286 AVG, .338 OBP, .511 SLG, .849 OPS WWII - 2 Yrs OPS+: 133 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 4 All Pros: 1948, 1951 Pennants: 1946, 1948, 1955 WS Victories: 1946 WS Record: .264/.328/.434/.762, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 5 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 2B 2, HR 1, RBI 2 Career Top 25: HR (11) Final Year on Ballot: 1980 Ben Cook, 3B/CF, Last Season: 1961 1722 H, 175 2B, 129 HR, 665 RBI, 1254 R 476 K, 1391 BB, 575 SB .260 AVG, .389 OBP, .371 SLG, .760 OPS OPS+: 114 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1955, 1956, 1957 Pennants: 1950, 1953, 1954, 1957, 1959 WS Victories: 1950, 1957, 1959 WS Record: .250/.342/.370/.712, 2 HR, 4 RBI, 16 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: Runs 2, SB 7, BB 5 Career Top 25: SB (19), BB (20) Final Year on Ballot: 1981 Wilford Woodworth, 3B, Last Season: 1965 1663 H, 305 2B, 408 HR, 1278 RBI, 1141 R 1286 K, 1051 BB, 57 SB .244 AVG, .350 OBP, .483 SLG, .833 OPS OPS+: 128 BOY Award: 1955 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1954, 1955 Pennants: 1956, 1959 WS Victories: 1956 WS Record: .150/.292/.275/.567, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 6 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: HR 1, SLG 1, TB 1 Career Top 25: HR (6) Final Year on Ballot: 1985 "Grumpy" Abraham Noel, 1B, Last Season: 1966 2799 H, 331 2B, 253 HR, 1346 RBI, 1248 R 1436 K, 1132 BB, 3 SB .294 AVG, .371 OBP, .416 SLG, .787 OPS OPS+: 122 BOY Award: 1959 ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1 All Pros: 1959, 1960 Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962 WS Victories: 1961, 1962 WS Record: .252/.328/.383/.711, 2 HR, 10 RBI, 14 R Batting Titles: 1959 Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, TB 1, RBI 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986 Roger Joyce, SS, Last Season: 1967 2394 H, 341 2B, 109 HR, 837 RBI, 1128 R 746 K, 685 BB .312 AVG, .370 OBP, .416 SLG, .785 OPS OPS+: 122 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1963 Pennants: 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1966 WS Victories: 1961, 1962 WS Record: .240/.308/.339/.647, 2 HR, 7 RBI, 10 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: R 1, H 3 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1988 Alan Liao Jr., 2B, Last Season: 1968 1929 H, 320 2B, 65 HR, 677 RBI, 896 R 881 K, 733 BB .321 AVG, .396 OBP, .429 SLG, .826 OPS OPS+: 134 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1958, 1959, 1960 (SS), 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964 Pennants: 1964, 1965 WS Victories: 1964 WS Record: .179/.256/.205/.461, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 7 R Batting Titles: 1958, 1960, 1961 Led League in: BA 3, OBP 1, H 1, 2B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1988 Lucien "Lulu" Arbour, LF, Last Season: 1969 2018 H, 315 2B, 214 HR, 1015 RBI, 1123 R 911 K, 538 BB, 443 SB .305 AVG, .357 OBP, .482 SLG, .839 OPS OPS+: 137 BOY Award: 1965 ROY Award: 1957 Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1965 Pennants: 1965, 1967 WS Victories: 1965 WS Record: .196/.212/.353/.564, 2 HR, 3 RBI, 6 R Batting Titles: 1965 Led League in: BA 1, SLG 1, OPS 1, R 1, H 1, 2B 2, 3B 2,, SB 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Boris "The Dancing Bear" Zimyanin, 3B, Last Season: 1969 2169 H, 313 2B, 235 HR, 1098 RBI, 1018 R 900 K, 711 BB .295 AVG, .358 OBP, .440 SLG, .799 OPS OPS+: 125 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1960 All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1963 WS Record: .045/.080/.045/.125, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 1 R WS Victories: NONE Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1989 Henry Thomas, CF, Last Season: 1970 2369 H, 367 2B, 285 HR, 1146 RBI, 1236 R 1402 K, 715 BB .292 AVG, .349 OBP, .446 SLG, .815 OPS OPS+: 131 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1960, 1963, 1964, 1965 Pennants: 1961, 1964, 1965 WS Victories: 1964 WS Record: .351/.390/.610/1.001, 6 HR, 16 RBI, 16 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: 3B 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1990 NEW Jack Caufield, RF, Last Season: 1971 1885 H, 233 2B, 251 HR, 963 RBI, 985 R 1001 K, 627 BB .294 AVG, .355 OBP, .463 SLG, .818 OPS OPS+: 133 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963 All Pros: NONE Divisions: 1969 Pennants: 1962, 1963, 1964, 1969 WS Victories: 1963, 1969 Post Season Record: .239/.264/.398/.661, 2 HR, 15 RBI, 9 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991 Jerome Fellows, SS/IF, Last Season: 1971 2243 H, 236 2B, 92 HR, 733 RBI, 1012 R 818 K, 810 BB .312 AVG, .381 OBP, .389 SLG, .770 OPS OPS+: 123 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: NONE All Pros: 1964, 1970 Pennants: 1956, 1959 (bench player) WS Victories: 1956 Post Season Record: .000/.000/.000/.000, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 R Batting Titles: 1970 Led League in: BA 1, H 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991 Shigeo Oh, 1B, Last Season: 1971 2263 H, 309 2B, 331 HR, 1330 RBI, 1233 R 491 K, 1198 BB .297 AVG, .390 OBP, .483 SLG, .873 OPS OPS+: 152 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1959, 1965 All Pros: 1961, 1962, 1965, 1969, All 1960s Decade Team Divisions: 1969, 1971 Pennants: 1963, 1968 WS Victories: 1968 Post Season Record: .337/.388/.368/.757, 0 HR, 7 RBI, 7 R Batting Titles: 1969 Led League in: BA 1, OBP 1, RBI 1, Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991 Alan Roloff, RF/LF, Last Season: 1971 2089 H, 387 2B, 270 HR, 1277 RBI, 1134 R 1113 K, 728 BB .275 AVG, .338 OBP, .461 SLG, .799 OPS OPS+: 125 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE Gold Gloves: 1961, 1968, 1969 All Pros: 1962 Pennants: 1961, 1965, 1967 WS Victories: 1965 Post Season Record: .265/.306/.485/.791, 3 HR, 12 RBI, 12 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: SLG 1, 3B 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991 Ellie Vancini, LF/1B/RF, Last Season: 1971 2120 H, 359 2B, 264 HR, 1098 RBI, 1272 R 1373 K, 1075 BB .268 AVG, .358 OBP, .433 SLG, .791 OPS OPS+: 125 BOY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1955 Gold Gloves: 1959 & 1960 LF; 1963 & 1965 & 1967 1B All Pros: NONE Divisions: 1969 Pennants: 1956, 1969 WS Victories: 1969 Post Season Record: .250/.308/.317/.624, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 5 R Batting Titles: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991

11-25-2007, 11:33 PM	#6
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Corky Stell, Last Season: 1956 163-108, 60.2%, 3.30 ERA 2409 IP, 820 BB, 986 K, 30 CG, 8 SHO, 1.27 WHIP ERA+: 131 POY Award: 1949, 1952, 1953 ROY Award: NONE All Pros: 1949, 1951, 1952, 1953 Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955 World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955 WS Record: 2-2, 5.04 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 2, Wins 3. WHIP 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1977 Bud Ulrich, Last Season: 1962, HOF Standard: 35 210-125, 62.7%, 3.88 ERA 3274.2 IP, 1411 BB, 2085 K, 73 CG, 16 SHO, 1.34 WHIP ERA+: 108 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: 1949 All Pros: 1952, 1955 Pennants: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959 World Championships: 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1959 WS Record: 4-1, 4.77 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: NONE Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1983 Lex Tjeenk-Willink, Last Season: 1964, HOF Standard: 46 245-170, 59.0%, 3.79 ERA 3877 IP, 1287 BB, 3069 K, 121 CG, 19 SHO, 1.19 WHIP ERA+: 112 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE All Pros: 1957 Pennants: NONE World Championships: NONE WS Record: N/A No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: Wins 1 Career Top 25: K's (10) Final Year on Ballot: 1985 Hank Makris, Last Season: 1964 214-173, 55.3%, 3.48 ERA 3634.0 IP, 1092 BB, 1563 K, 166 CG, 32 SHO, 1.28 WHIP ERA+: 124 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: 1953, 1958, 1961, 1963 WS MVP: 1957, 1959 All Pros: 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960 Pennants: 1957, 1959 World Championships: 1957, 1959 WS Record: 4-0, 0.82 ERA No-Hitters: 2 Led League in: SHO 2, Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1986 Cal Granger, Last Season: 1968 100-104, 49.0%, 3.53 ERA 1426.3 IP, 421 BB, 609 K, 390 SV ERA+: N/A POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE All Pros: 1952, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1962, 1964; 1950s All Decade Team Pennants: 1951, 1957, 1958, 1963 World Championships: 1951, 1958 WS Record: 0-1, 3.49 ERA, 4 SV Led League in: SV 6, G 1 Career Top 25: SV (1), Appearances (1), Relief Innings (1) Final Year on Ballot: 1988 Brad De la Garza, Last Season: 1970 222-137, 61.8%, 3.23 ERA 3381.2 IP, 840 BB, 1994 K, 167 CG, 28 SHO, 1.19 WHIP ERA+: 128 POY Award: 1967 ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE All Pros: 1959, 1963, 1967 Divisions: 1969 Pennants: 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1968 World Championships: 1961, 1962, 1968 WS Record: 1-4, 5.17 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 1, Wins 1, SHO 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1990 NEW Morgan Cuellar, Last Season: 1970 43-78, 35.5%, 3.81 ERA 770.3 IP, 323 BB, 646 K, 259 SV ERA+: N/A POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: NONE All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1964, 1965 World Championships: 1964 WS Record: 1-0, 1.42 ERA, 1 SV Led League in: SV 3 Career Top 25: SV (8) Final Year on Ballot: 1991 Lukas Dietrich, Last Season: 1970 193-235, 45.1%, 4.33 ERA 3893.0 IP, 2196 BB, 4028 K, 61 CG, 10 SHO, 1.35 WHIP ERA+: 94 POY Award: NONE ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE All Pros: NONE Pennants: 1962 World Championships: 1962 WS Record: DNP No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: K 5, BB 7 Career Top 25: K (1) Final Year on Ballot: 1991 Wesley McGee, Last Season: 1971 177-118, 60.0%, 3.02 ERA 2772.7 IP, 465 BB, 1715 K, 44 CG, 11 SHO, 1.12 WHIP ERA+: 144 POY Award: 1963 ROY Award: NONE GG Award: NONE WS MVP: 1961, 1962 All Pros: 1960, 1961. 1962, 1966, All 1960s Decade Team Pennants: 1960, 1961, 1962 World Championships: 1961, 1962 WS Record: 4-0, 1.51 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: ERA 3, Wins 1 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991 Brock Putnam, Last Season: 1971 187-106, 63.8%, 2.94 ERA 2869.7 IP, 601 BB, 1636 K, 180 CG, 36 SHO, 1.16 WHIP ERA+: 134 POY Award: 1960 ROY Award: 1960 GG Award: NONE All Pros: 1960, 1962, 1964 Pennants: 1960, 1961, 1962 World Championships: 1961, 1962 WS Record: 3-0, 2.92 ERA No-Hitters: NONE Led League in: W 1, IP 1, SHO 2 Career Top 25: NONE Final Year on Ballot: 1991

11-25-2007, 11:35 PM	#7
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Ben Cook Cal Granger Brad De la Garza Alan Liao Jr. Hank Makris Wesley McGee Shigeo Oh Henry Thomas Corky Stell Wilford Woodworth

11-25-2007, 11:53 PM	#8
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	Stell Joyce Liao Makris De La Garza Oh McGee Putnam

11-26-2007, 12:24 AM	#10
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Sweet it's back! Ayers NOel JOyce Oh (Doctor!) ULrich Lex Makris Garza Granger Stell I was wondering if Roloff would make it or not.

11-26-2007, 08:48 AM	#11
SandMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,946	I would select: Oh Tjeerk_Willink Cook Liao Fellows Putnam McGee

11-26-2007, 11:31 AM	#13
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	Don't think Ormiston is eligible any longer.

11-26-2007, 12:24 PM	#14
DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	Woodworth Noel Joyce Arbour Oh Makris De La Garza McGee Putnam

11-27-2007, 08:21 PM	#18
Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	Haven't done this in a couple months... figured I should chime back in. Cook Joyce Liao Jr. Oh Stell Ulrich Tjeenk-Willink Granger De La Garza McGee __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try!

11-27-2007, 09:27 PM	#19
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Joyce Liao Jr Arbour Thomas Oh Stell Makris De La Garza McGee Putnam

11-27-2007, 09:28 PM	#20
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Some tough choices McGee and Putnam caused me undue amounts of torture in my years in Milwaukee