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10-11-2007, 08:57 PM
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One More 1901-2007 Sim (Inspired by Brewers194 and Kelric)
After reading what's happened in a few of these other historical replays, I decided to do one myself. I used Gambo's database, recalculated every three years and turned on various finanical aspects (free agency, Rule 5 draft, aribitration, etc) as they became part of baseball.
The rulers of the baseball world in this replay are the Philadelphia Phillies. The Phils made the playoffs 20 times and won 12 World Series, most in the sim. Of course, they benefitted from a Yankee-esque run in the 1930s, when they won seven NL pennants in ten years, and took five championships. Up next on the title list would be the Braves and Cubs, each with ten. Surprisingly enough, two of the original teams only have one championship each. The Tigers won their first title in 1986, and the Yankees took their only crown in 1983. Meanwhile, Houston holds the record for wins in a single season, with 111 in 1998. They also won their second championship that year. Babe Ruth held the all time homerun record with 649 until Mickey Mantle broke it in 1966. The Mick finished with 705 homers, and held the mark until Mark McGwire took it from him. Mark finished with 789 career homeruns, and is now currently tied with...Barry Bonds, who hit two homeruns on the third to last day of the 2007 season to tie him with McGwire. The 600 homerun club has 9 members, including Gary Sheffield and Jim Thome, while the 500 homer club has just 23, including such notables as Jose Canseco (501), Larry Walker (559) and Fred McGriff (566). Since this database had Negro League players enter the bigs, Josh Gibson is the closest not to hit 500, with 490. He's followed up by Jimmie Foxx, Jim Edmonds, Ernie Banks and Jeff Bagwell, though Edmonds is still active, and could get to 500. Mark McGwire also has the distinction of being baseball's single season homerun king, though he now has to share the honor. In 1999, McGwire and Sammy Sosa captivated audiences with a homerun chase the likes of which had never been seen before. Though McGwire had previously broken Babe Ruth's record of 61 with a 63 homerun season in 1994, the 1999 chase is the one people remember. In the end, "Big Mac" finished with 70 homeruns, one ahead of Sosa's 69. However, in 2007, a new member was welcomed to the 70 homerun club. After being released by Arizona one year into his career, Ryan Howard was picked up by the Montreal Expos, and now is bringing back memories of Washington Senators players. In 2007, Howard tied the single season mark of 70, while Chris Duncan had 61 of his own. Hits were a little more prominant, as 40 players reached 3,000 for their careers. At the top, however, was a familiar face. Ty Cobb is still baseball's hit king in this simulation, finishing his career with 4,385 hits. He's the only man to have over 4,000 hits, and this looks to be the unbreakable record in baseball. George Brett came the closest, with 3,812, but was still not even within reach. The closest active player is Gary Sheffield, but he is almost 1,000 hits behind Cobb. Tim Raines leads all players in stolen bases, having swiped 1,111 during his 17 year career. Rickey Henderson is second, with 1,074, and he retired in this simulation in 2000. I guess he didn't have enough juice in the legs to try and catch Raines. Cy Young leads all pitchers in wins, with 419, and just 18 other pitchers have reached the 300 win mark. Greg Maddux is the winningest active pitcher, having won 383 games, good for fifth all time. He's about to pass Satchel Paige and his 388 wins for fourth, and has a chance of getting to Chief Bender's 395 wins, too. Your all time strikeout king is Nolan Ryan, having taken the mark from Paige with 4,689 strikeouts in his career. Maddux is fifth on that list as well, though he has no realistic chance of catching Ryan. Amazingly enough, Trevor Hoffman is the all time saves leader at 512. He got his 500th save in 2007, but he lost his stuff in the playoffs and cost the Red Sox a chance at the World Series. Second all time is Lee Smith with 452. Rob Nen has 369 saves, and is the second leading active player. There have been seven perfect games in league history, the last coming in 1998 by a pitcher named Shannon Withem. The last no hitter was thrown by Justin Verlander of the Cincinnati Reds against the St. Louis Cardinals on September 14, 2006. The longest hitting streak in league history is 41, done by Rod Carew back in 1975. He's the only player to have a streak longer than 40 games. If anyone would like anything looked up, be it players or teams, just let me know, and I'll be happy to do it. |
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10-11-2007, 10:42 PM
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Pete Rose, please. Thanks.
Also: How do you account for Chris Duncan's HR power? He showed up in one of the other replays (Brewers194 or Kelric), too, didn't he? |
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10-11-2007, 11:03 PM
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Joe DiMaggio
Willie Mays Paul O'Neil Bernie Williams Don Mattingly Derek Jeter A-Rod Joe Torre Reggie Jackson Dave Winfield Phil Rizzuto David Ortiz Wade Boggs Jim Rice |
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10-12-2007, 12:44 AM
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He stuck around after the move to Oakland until 1978, when he was traded to the Cardinals for Tim Raines. He signed a free agent contract with the Yankees in 1980, but by then injuries had taken their toll. After two average years in New York, he retired before the 1982 season with a career .297 batting average and 2,955 hits. He was a six time All Star and won one Gold Glove, but never even once played in the postseason. As for Chris Duncan, I think it has to do with the database that is used. As far as I know, it has him coming in with massive power ratings. That's the only explanation I can offer. Quote:
Willie Mays: Willie was drafted by the Reds in 1948 and made his debut a little early, in 1949. It didn't seem to matter, because he won the Rookie of the Year award and was a key part of the Reds last World Series win a year later. He won his only MVP award in 1955, and stayed with Cincinnati until 1968. That year he was traded to the Pirates, where he hit his 500th homerun in 1969. Later that year he was traded to the expansion Padres, and was a very important part of getting that team to respectability, and led them to a World Series title in 1971. After getting his 3,000th hit with San Diego, he was traded to Houston, and retired in 1972. His 3,242 hits ranks 20th all time. Paul O'Neill: Paul was actually drafted by the Yankees in this world, though he would never play a game for them. The Yanks let him go in 1982, but the Tigers quickly picked him up. After a little developing time, he became a key member of their team, and was one of the reasons the Tigers finally won a World Series in 1986. He stuck with the Tigers until 1999, when he was traded to Arizona. From there, he bounced around, stopping in Kansas City, back to Detroit, then off to Minnesota and Milwaukee before finally retiring with 2,589 hits following the 2004 season. Bernie Williams: Bernie was drafted by the Blue Jays, but he never played a game for them, instead making his debut with the Angels in 1990. He spent his entire career with the Angels, compiling 2,060 hits and 235 homeruns. He never won a World Series, but did hit four homers in his only postseason appearance, showing signs of what could have been had the Angels been more competitive during his time there. Don Mattingly: Donnie Baseball was drafted by the Oakland Athletics, but never played a game for them. He was traded to the Milwaukee Brewers for a closer who saved all of five games for Oakland before bombing out of the league. Mattingly, on the other hand, blossomed into an excellent player. He won two MVP awards with the Brewers and his best season came in 1985, when he won the Triple Crown with a .369 average, 43 homeruns and a still major league record 177 RBI. His other MVP came in 1987, and he promptly left the team he helped make a champion in 1984 for the Detroit Tigers. Unfortunately, injuries took their toll in Detroit and he never amounted to the player he was in Milwaukee. He was eventually traded to the Padres in 1994 for Kenny Rodgers, then bounced around to the Yankees, Dodgers and Blue Jays. He showed flashes of what he once was, but his time with the Brewers was the peak of his career. Over half of his 2,770 hits came with Milwaukee. Derek Jeter: Jeter is one of the sadder stories in my baseball history. He was drafted by the Padres, but debuted with the Texas Rangers in 1995. He was an excellent player with them, winning Rookie of the Year, hitting .315 and batting over .400 in two playoff trips with them. After three straight 200 hit seasons, things looked bright for Jeter, but he was hit by a pitch early in the 2001 season that fractured his skull(!!!!). He was forced to retire at age 27 with 1,132 hits already. A-Rod: Good ole Alex was drafted first overall by the Marlins in 1992 and made his debut just one year later. He started quick, hitting .280 his rookie season, but crashed a year later with a .199 average. He pulled it together after that, and while he couldn't make the Marlins a contender, he made himself marketable, and signed a free agent contract with the Braves after the 1998 season. His play hasn't diminished as a Brave, as he won the MVP in 2001 and he even helped win them the World Series in 2005. At the end of the 2007 season, he has 2,542 hits and 460 homeruns, so he looks to be a lock for the Hall of Fame. Joe Torre: Joe was quite a servicable catcher in his time in the bigs. He broke in with the Reds in 1960, and was solid for them for eight years. From there, he was traded to the Tigers, and spent the majority of the rest of his career there. At the end of his career, he bounced between the Red Sox and White Sox, but could never reclaim the skills he once had. He retired in 1978 with 2,292 hits and looked forward to a career in managing. Reggie Jackson: "Mr. October" certainly earned his nickname in three postseason appearances with the Reds, though I bet sharing an outfield with Willie Mays may have helped with his development, too. He won the MVP in 1970 and 1974, and though he couldn't help win the Reds a championship, he hit four homers in the 1970 playoffs. In 1984 the Reds finally decided to let him go, and he signed with the Blue Jays, where he lasted all of a year and a half before he traded to the Orioles. Sure enough, injuries started to pile up, and the Orioles let him go. He had one last shot with the Giants, but his best years were with the Reds, and he retired after 1987 with 562 homeruns and over 2,700 hits. Dave Winfield: Dave was certainly an early bloomer. He was drafted by the Rangers in 1972 and debuted in 1973. Not only that, but he won Rookie of the Year that season, and then helped Texas win their only title the next season. He stuck with the Rangers until after the 1982 season, when he signed a free agent contract with the Detroit Tigers. He spent more time on the DL in Detroit than playing, and eventually signed with the Dodgers when his contract was up. After a few more average years, he signed with the Rangers, and finished his career with the team he started it with. After the 1990 season, he retired as a Ranger, with 2,817 hits, a World Series ring and an MVP award. Phil Rizzuto: Scooter is another sad story. He was drafted by the Indians in 1936 and played his first game in 1940. The very next season, he tore a back muscle, and his career was over at age 23. All he could do was ask why after such a promising rookie season. David Ortiz: Big Papi hasn't been great, but he's been solid in his time in the majors. He came up with the Cardinals in 1997, they found out he couldn't play defense, and managed to trade him to Houston after a few scary years at first. Houston promptly traded him to the Red Sox, and he helped Boston make the playoffs in 2002. After the 2004 season, he became too expensive for the Sox, and he signed with the Seattle Mariners. He had his best season in 2006 when he hit 50 homeruns and helped lead the Mariners to the World Series. With a ring now in hand, Ortiz will probably spend the majority of his career in Seattle. Wade Boggs: In his time in the bigs, Boggs became a Californian fixture. Although his career began in Canada, when he won the Rookie of the Year and MVP awards in 1981 as a member of the Blue Jays, his best season came in 1987, when he hit .395 as a member of the Angels. He stuck with California until they traded him to the Cubs in 1993, and he promptly resigned with them once his contract ran out that next season. He continued to hit once back with the Angels, and though he never won a World Series, his career still felt complete. The Angels did eventually let him go after the 1999 season, and he signed with Cleveland, then Houston and got his 3,000th hit as a member of the Astros in 2001. He retired after that season. Jim Rice: Rice was a prime example of a player having one amazing season, then settling back down to another level. After coming onto the scene with the Pirates in 1971, Jim was a solid player, but was nothing amazing. That all changed in 1977, when he more than doubled his career marks in homeruns and runs batted in. He won the MVP award that season, and turned that one year into success on the free agent market two years later when he signed with Texas. However, his numbers never again matched the 52 homeruns and 135 RBI he put up in 1977 and after six average years in Texas, he signed a deal with the Cardinals in 1986. The Cardinals traded him to the White Sox six months later, and he finished his career in Chicago in 1988, still wondering what could have been had that 1977 season been something more than a flash in the pan. |
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10-12-2007, 12:54 AM
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10-12-2007, 02:24 AM
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How did the Red Sox do as an organization? What prominent players (in your world) played for them? And as for names, just a couple - Tony Conigliaro (even though you have recalc on), Ted Williams, Yaz and Hank Aaron. |
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10-12-2007, 01:13 PM
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John Tudor
Bruce Hurst Dizzy Dean Bob Gibson Luis Tiant If you're inclined to see how many pitchers had more than one no-hitter I'd be interested in that too. Thanks! 
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10-13-2007, 11:00 PM
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After that, he switched over to the bullpen as a closer, and while he wasn't as dominant as he was in real life, he finished with 242 saves from 1988-1994 with the Dodgers, Padres and Yankees. His final record was 196-209, with a 3.62 ERA. He retired after the 1994 season, despite being named to the All Star team and saving 34 games that year. Quote:
Charlie Lea: Lea spent his entire eight year career with the Kansas City Royals. He made his debut in 1978, going 11-12. He went 12-13 in 1979, but was injured near the end of the season and missed almost all of the 1980 season. The injury seemed to do him some good, as he went 10-4 in 1981 and 15-8 in 1982. He would win another 31 games in the next two seasons, but he lost his control in 1985, and after going 8-14 the Royals released him. He went unsigned for two years, and retired after the 1987 season. Bill Gullickson: Bill was drafted by the Mariners in 1976, right after Scott Sanderson. He debuted with Seattle in 1978, but was a dud, going 8-20 with a 5.97 ERA in his rookie year. After another poor showing in 1979, he rebounded to go 17-14 in 1980, but he crashed back down with records of 11-18 and 13-17 the next two seasons. After another poor season in 1983, he managed to get a three year contract with Baltimore, and made it worth their while for one season, winning 19 games for them in 1984. However, after a 15-14 season in 1985, he really hit the skids, losing 22 games in 1986 and 23 in 1987. He's the last pitcher to lose 20 games in a season, and he retired after being released by the Orioles following the 1988 season. David Palmer: David was drafted by the White Sox, and spent the first half of his career there bouncing between the rotation and the bullpen. After his first two seasons were spent between the minor leagues and the Sox, Chicago made him a bullpen fixture in 1978 and he did well. However, Chicago saw a starter in him, and they were right, as he went 19-6 in 1979. He would win just 26 games in the next two seasons though, and after suffering a serious injury and a talent drop in 1982, the White Sox let him go. San Diego picked him up before the 1984 season and he responded with a 14 win season as he developed into a solid back of the rotation pitcher. He spent his last season in baseball between San Diego and Philadelphia, where he was traded for Tony Pena. After a 16 win 1989 season with the Padres and Phillies, Palmer retired with a career 131-102 record. Steve Rogers: Steve was drafted by the Expos after the 1970 season and got the call up to Montreal two years later in 1972. In one of his first starts, he no hit the Mets and finished his rookie year with a 9-8 record. He was a key member of the 1973 World Series champions in Montreal, going 3-1 in four starts in the postseason after an 18 win regular season. He would not have a losing season until 1976, when he went 12-13. After that, he pitched two more solid seasons with the Expos before leaving for Cleveland's money following the 1978 season. With the Indians, he won 34 in his first two years before having the worst year of his career in 1981, when he went 8-22. He rebounded nicely, however, winning 18 games in 1982 and 16 in 1983. After an 18 loss 1984 and injury shortened 1985, Rogers retired with a career record of 190-181. |
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10-13-2007, 11:41 PM
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They've also had some of the bigger names in baseball come through their team. Players such as Chuck Klein, Tony Gwynn, Kirby Puckett, Jackie Robinson, Greg Luzinski David Justice, David Ortiz, Tino Martinez and Chipper Jones have all taken their swings with the Sox, while pitchers like Walter Johnson, Cy Young, Vida Blue, Smokey Joe Wood, Pedro Martinez, Chief Bender, Harvey Haddix and Trevor Hoffman struck fear into opponents' hearts. As for the players you asked about: Tony Conigliaro: Even with recalc on, Tony had some very good years in the early going, banging out 16 homers his rookie season for the Angels. It was after a 32 home run, 113 RBI season in 1969 that the problems started. He was hit by a pitch early in the 1970 season, and lost half the year, as well as about half his talent. He struggled with the Angels after that, but was released two years later. The rest of his career was spent bouncing from team to team. After stops in Cincinnati, Cleveland, Atlanta, Oakland and Pittburgh, Tony finally retired in 1978, his career lost because of one errant pitch (pretty freaky, eh?). Ted Williams: Teddy Ballgame was one of the best players in history, spending his entire career with the New York/San Francisco Giants. A 16 time All Star, Williams was called up by the Giants in 1935 and promptly hit 23 homers while batting .297. Ever year after that, his game steadily improved and he quickly found himself at the top of the game. He won seven MVP awards during his career, and collected one World Series ring with the Giants in 1942. His last MVP season came in 1956 at age 37. He stuck with the Giants through the move to San Francisco, playing two years on the west coast before retiring after the 1959 season. He may never have hit .400, but he did hit .315 for his career, to go along with 3,529 hits, 646 home runs and 2,128 RBI. Carl Yastrzemski: Yaz had himself quite a career too, though it was with the other New York team that decided to move west. He debuted with the Dodgers in 1959, Williams' last season, and hit 27 homers with 99 RBI that year. In the World Series, he hit an impressive .345 with two home runs and seven RBI during Los Angeles' seven game victory. He would win back to back MVP awards in 1965 and 1966 and made it to 11 All Star games. After almost 20 years, he made it back to the World Series in 1978 and helped the Dodgers win it all that year as well. He stuck around for three more years in L.A., even enduring a torn back muscle at age 40 to get his 400th home run at age 41 before retiring after the 1981 season. His 3,294 hits, 402 home runs, 1,731 RBI and 1,703 runs scored are all Dodger records. Hank Aaron: Though Hank wasn't as much of a slugger as he was in real life, his career did cross the path of one of the best hitters in baseball history, and he certainly benefitted from that. He was drafed by the New York Giants, and made his debut in 1951, sharing the outfield with Ted Williams (how's that for a combo out there!!). His rookie season was nothing short of amazing, as he smacked 42 home runs and drove in 116 RBI to win Rookie of the Year. However, he would not even get to 20 homers again in a season until 1955 and would not hit 40 again until 1959. His best season came in 1962, when he won the MVP with a 42 home run, 126 RBI season. After that, he never hit more than 40 in a season again, and only hit more than 30 once more, in 1970. However, he was quite consistant throughout the rest of his career, and finished with 559 home runs, as well as 3,691 hits, surpassing even Ted Williams. He also had 2,054 RBI and a career .281 batting average. |
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. John was drafted by Pittsburgh in 1975 and was called up by the Pirates in 1978. He could never find a groove in his first go-around with Pittsburgh, and was traded to Baltimore after his second season. He spent a poor season and a half with the Orioles before being traded to Minnesota. He turned his career around a bit there, finally having a winning season and establishing himself as a solid middle of the rotation pitcher. When his contract with the Twins ran out he signed with...Pittsburgh, only this time, he was older, wiser and better. He had his best year in 1987 when he won 17 games with the Pirates, and helped them win a World Series in 1989. It was all downhill after his 16-6 1991 season though. The Pirates left him out to dry in the expansion draft, and the Rockies took him, but he was put on waivers and claimed by the Blue Jays the same year. He somehow stuck around in Toronto until 1996, though he never won more than five games in a season. He retired after 1996 with a career mark of 203-187.Bruce Hurst: Bruce was drafted third overall by Oakland in 1975, and spent the first seven years of his career in the minor leagues. When he finally got called up in 1982, he came out of the bullpen and pitched well. So well, in fact, that Oakland thought he should stay in the 'pen. So he did...for a good three and a half years. He finally got his chance to start in 1986 and he went 9-7 in 20 starts. From that point on, he never won fewer than 10 games, and only won fewer than 15 games once. He was a solid starter for the Athletics and had arguably his best season in his last year, winning 17 games for Oakland in 1993. After that, he decided to hang up his glove, finishing his career with a 128-124 mark and a 3.92 ERA. Dizzy Dean: Dizzy was a pitcher who left many more questions than answers after his career. He was drafted first overall by the Yankees in 1929, and was called up in 1931, despite being nowhere close to ready. He sure showed it, too. He lost 19 games in 1931, then 14 the year after that and 17 the year after that. Somehow he put that all behind him and had one of the best pitching seasons in Yankee history in 1934, winning 25 games with a 2.57 ERA. It was good enough to win him Pitcher of the Year, but he could never find that control over the mound again in his career. In fact, he would not have another winning season until 1941, and after he proved he could win more games than he lost again, he retired at age 31 with a career record of 151-165. Bob Gibson: I'm a big fan of Bob Gibson, so I hoped he did well in this world. While he wasn't as good as his real life counterpart, he was certainly a solid pitcher for 18 years in the majors. He debuted with the Dodgers in 1957, which just happened to be their final year in Brooklyn. He went 16-16 in his rookie season, but that number dropped to 12-17 in his first year in Los Angeles. He snapped out of his funk in 1959, going 23-11 and winning the Satchel Paige Award that year, as well as helping the Dodgers win the World Series. It would be the only time he won 20 or more games, but he was solid for years after that. He would only win less than 10 games once, and that was in the last year of his career: 1974. Ever game he pitched was in Dodger blue and he finished his career with 255 wins, compared to 242 losses, as well as exactly 3,500 strikeouts. Luis Tiant: Tiant was drafted by the Yankees in 1961, and for a while was a prime example of someone who was called up too soon. He struggled for years under the lights of New York, not having a winning season until 1967, his sixth year in the majors. After a couple more average years with the Yanks, the released him in 1970. San Diego picked him up, and he finished the 1971 season with an 8-4 record coming out of the bullpen, and helped the Padres win the World Series in just their third season of play. That apparently wasn't good enough for the Padres and after one more year in San Diego, they traded him to the Expos in 1973, where he won another World Series. His best season came the next year, when he went 21-8. However, injuries got the better of him the next season and the Expos made no attempt to resign him when his contract expired. He signed with the Reds for a year, was released, then signed with the Tigers in 1978. He was an average pitcher there until 1981, when he won 19 games in the last year of his contract. He signed one more deal with the Reds, and retired after the 1982 season with 220 wins to his credit. When it comes to no hitters, I had Babe Ruth throw a no-no in 1917, which I found quite impressive. Multiple no hitters belong to a select few pitchers. Dick Donovan was the first to do so, throwing one in 1957 against the White Sox while playing for the Senators, and then adding another in 1962 against Detroit while playing for the new Senators team. Dave Giusti threw two in 1967 for Baltimore, the first of them being a perfect game against the Red Sox. Dave Goltz followed in his footsteps with the Yankees, pitching his first no-no in 1972 against Cleveland, then taking almost eight years to throw his second against the Angels. The king of no hitters though is Randy Johnson. The Big Unit has three in my world. He threw his first as a member of the Mariners in 1991 against the Chicago White Sox, then took ten years to throw his second as a member of the Padres against the Montreal Expos. Two years later, he threw his record third, still with the Padres, this one against the Colorado Rockies. |
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Thanks for all the info. Nice to see Yaz/Williams/Aaron playing well.
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Awesome! How about ...
Roberto Clemente Frank Robinson Hank Greenberg Ken Griffey Sr and Jr Thurman Munson Phil Niekro Gaylord Perry |
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Frank Robinson: Frank was a solid player for many years, though his peak was very short. He was drafted in 1952 by the Red Sox and played the 1953 season there before being traded to the Brooklyn Dodgers. He stuck with them through the move to Los Angeles, and was one of the reasons why the Dodgers became so beloved in California. He won back to back MVP awards in 1959 and 1960, hitting 49 and 33 home runs in those years, respectively. After 1961, he would never hit more than 30 homers in a season, though his production was still there. He stuck with the Dodgers through the rest of the 1960s and was traded to the Cardinals during the 1970 season. St. Louis promptly traded him to California that offseason and then the Angels traded him to the White Sox in 1972. He hit his 400th home run and drove in his 1,500th RBI with the White Sox, but they still released him in 1974. He signed a one year deal with the Dodgers for 1975 and retired after that season where he belonged. He had 414 homers and 1,578 RBI for his career. Hank Greenberg: Just like in real life, Greenberg was a Tiger for the majority of his career. Detroit took him third overall in 1928, and he debuted with the team just a year later. He had 20 home runs and 100 RBI his rookie season, and backed that up with a 27 homer, 115 RBI season in 1930. He was the model of consistancy during the 1930s, averaging just about .300 in batting for the decade and winning the MVP award in 1938 with a 37 home run, 132 RBI season. Ironically enough, he missed most of both the 1942 and 1943 seasons with injuries, but rebounded in 1944 to win his second MVP award. From there, more injuries began to take their toll, though he stuck around in Detroit for another five seasons. After the 1949 season, the Tigers released him and he bounced around between the Cardinals and Cubs in 1950 before retiring. In his later years, his average suffered, which is why he finished with a career .268 mark, to go along with 428 home runs and 1,689 RBI. Ken Griffey Sr: Griffey Sr may not have had the most remarkable career, but trust me, good baseball is in his genes. The elder Griffey was taken by the San Diego Padres in the second round of the 1968 draft and was called in in 1972. He made his first start in 1973 and established himself as a solid #2 hitter in the San Diego lineup. His power numbers were never great, but his speed was solid in his early career, as he stole 46 bases in 1976 and 48 in 1978. In 1980, he was a huge part of the Padres' championship team, as he hit two home runs and drove in 9 during their playoff run. The Padres showed their gratitude by trading him to Baltimore for Ted Simmons in the offseason. He lasted in Baltimore until 1985, when he was traded to St. Louis. That winter, the Orioles picked him up again in free agency, and he stuck around this time until 1988, providing more of a veteran presence than anything else from about 1986 on. In the last two years of his career, he had stints in Cincinnati, Boston, Texas and California before retiring after the 1990 season. He finished with almost 2,200 hits, 990 RBI and a career .288 average. Ken Griffey Jr: Like I said, Hall of Fame baseball ability was in Griffey Sr's genes. Younger Griffey was taken 7th overall by his boyhood team, the Pittsburgh Pirates, in 1986. He came onto the scene one year later, smacking 36 home runs and 91 RBI, but lost the Rookie of the Year award to some guy named Ty Van Burkleo. He was bitten by the injury bug in 1988, but bounced back to help the Pirates win the 1989 World Series, which is the last the team has won. Though he was hitting for average, his power numbers would not return until 1991, when he smacked 31 homers and drove in over 100 men for the first time in his career. He followed that up with his first of three MVP awards in 1992, with the other two coming in 1994 and 1998. Though he has battled injuries through his career, they have not slowed him down, and he is still playing following the 2007 season, though it's now with the Colorado Rockies, as Pittsburgh traded him during the 2007 campaign. As of right now, he is fourth all time in home runs, with 679, 10th in RBI with 1,959 and is just 75 hits away from 3,000 for his career. He's probably going to retire after 2008, but he's a lock for the Hall of Fame when he does. Thurman Munson: Thurman was the very definition of a journeyman player, with stops in nine different cities during his 19 year career. He started with Baltimore, who drafted him in 1967. He spent five decent years there, but was never the offensive player that the Orioles wanted, so they traded him to the Braves after the 1972 season. He provided the Braves with a great catcher and a solid bat for the next three years, before he left via free agency and signed with the Phillies. His offensive numbers declined in Philadelphia, even if his defense didn't and he was traded in a deadline deal in 1978 to the Milwaukee Brewers. Still known for his throwing arm more than his bat, he surprised people by hitting .285 and .291 in two seasons with the Brewers. After the 1979 season, he was shipped to the Red Sox and struggled there before being claimed off waivers by the Chicago White Sox the same season. He put up solid numbers and provided good defense there for three and a half seasons, then signed with Houston in 1984. He had 180 hits that year, but it wasn't enough to convince the Astros to resign him, and he went north to Montreal in 1985. After a poor year there, he went west to Seattle and finally retired after the 1986 season with a career .279 average and 945 RBI. He never once played in the postseason. Phil Niekro: Phil started his career with the Milwaukee Braves, who drafted him fourth overall in the 1957 draft. He came up almost seven years later, in 1964, and the Braves thought it would be best to use him out of the bullpen. His first start finally came as a member of the Atlanta Braves in 1968, but he was traded to the Pirates for Eddie Mathews in the middle of the '68 season and didn't adapt well to Pittsburgh, turning a 9-6 start to a 12-14 end of the season record. The Pirates, not happy with their investment, traded him to the Tigers that offseason, and that seems to be what woke him up. He won 19 games his first year in Detroit and never won less than 10 games his entire time as a Tiger. He also threw a no hitter in 1975 against Oakland. He left Detroit as a free agent after the 1975 season and signed with the Cubs. However, Chicago was not nearly as nice as Detroit to Phil, and he went 9-17 his first year there. In 1977 he rebounded nicely, going 17-12 and earning an All Star trip before aburptly retiring after the season. His final career record stands at 153-140, with 19 saves and a 3.41 ERA. Gaylord Perry: He may not have had the same career he did in real life, but Gaylord Perry was still a very good pitcher in this world. He was drafted by the Dodgers first overall in 1957 and came up two years later. His rookie season is one he would like to forget, as he went 2-9 with a 7.11 ERA. The next three years were spent between the Dodgers and AAA, but when he came up for good in 1963, the results were amazing, as he went 16-8 with a 2.92 ERA. For some reason though, he got put in the bullpen as a closer for 1964 and though he did well, he was not happy there and got put back into the rotation for good the next year. He bounced between outstanding (21-10 in 1969) and plain awful (8-23 in 1967), before the Dodgers finally grew tired of him and traded him to the rival Padres in 1971. With a fire lit underneath him, he led the Padres to their first playoff birth ever, and went 2-0 with an ERA under 2.00 in two wins, one in the NLCS and the other in the World Series. The Padres won the World Series that year and Gaylord found a new home, though he never seemed comfortable. He never again found that ability he had in the 1971 playoffs and lost 20 games for the second time in his career in 1973. After a few more average seasons, he signed as a free agent with Boston in 1976 and went 17-9 before hanging up his glove after the season. His career record is 196-205, with a 3.51 ERA and 2,363 strikeouts. |
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Paul Molitor: Paul started his career in the Big Apple after he was drafted by the Mets in 1976. He came up one year later and showed his skills, hitting .311 with 82 runs scored. His batting average slipped the next year all the way down to .253, but he was able to get it back up to .292 the next year. He never seemed to fit in with the spotlight on him in New York, and when his contract expired, he left the Mets to sign with the California Angels in 1983. He had his best success in California, scoring 101 runs his first season there and rediscovering the stroke that made him such a vaunted prospect early in his career. However, injuries began to catch up with him, including a fractured elbow in 1988 that cost him the entire season and a torn PCL that knocked him out in 1991 and cost him a chance at 3,000 hits. He actually played better after the PCL injury, hitting .314 in 1992, but he would never reach that mark again. The Angels let him go after the 1994 season and he signed with the Reds. He lasted two average seasons there, then went to Houston for the 1997 season and finished his career, ironically enough, with the Milwaukee Brewers in 1998. He retired that year with 2,943 hits, 1,303 RBI, 1,470 runs scored and a career .277 batting average. |
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You said the Phillies were a dynasty in the 30's... who were their stars back then that allowed that to happen?
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The first one to come up was Charlie Gehringer in 1925, and he was joined next by Bill Dickey at catcher in 1929. Buddy Meyer joined them in 1930, and together, those three started almost every game at their respective positions for the entire decade. Of course, in 1935, Johnny Mize began his career at first base, and over the next three seasons, the Phils won two titles and didn't win less than 100 games in any of those years. Surprisingly enough, their outfied never had any real stars in it, and the starters bounced back and forth almost every year. The one constant that was there through everything though was Satchel Paige. Remember, this database included Negro League stars, so he was imported at the beginning of his career, and was absolutely lights out during the 1930s. Over that ten year span, he won 287 games for Philadelphia and had eight postseason wins with a 1.87 ERA in 13 starts. Aside from that, they had a few good years from pitchers like Danny MacFayden and Guy Bush, but Paige really was the rock for the whole pitching staff. So yeah, they had one of the best infields in baseball history to go along with one of the best pitchers ever. I'd say that would be the reason they took the baseball world by storm through the 1930s. |
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