importing historic coaches & minor leagues

oneton · 08-02-2007, 11:25 PM

Question #1:
How do I (or maybe, Can I) import historical coaches? Don't need the pics but the names and abilities would be nice. I thought I saw something on this, but my recent searches yielded nothing.

Question #2:
Well, maybe a little background first...
I just set up a new historic league (1940) using Lahman. Not knowing enough about the minor league system back then, I just checked everything (AAA, AA, A, SA, R) hoping that it would recognize the year and adjust accordingly year-to-year (that is, assuming that in 1940 the minor leagues weren't as extensive as they are today).

I've got my minors and it appears that a FEW historical players are in there but the majority are fictional. I did set it so that fictional players don't ascend to the majors, but would like the system to be historically accurate. So, did I make a mistake in setting up the whole minor league system AAA to R? If so, is there a good website (or something) that will tell me what the MIL looked like back then? Do I need to start the league over?

Another side question relating to MIL - Is there a way to import the real MIL affiliate names?

Thanks, in advance

ednote · 08-03-2007, 10:23 PM

Try this link: http://files.simcentral.net/file/phi...files-2376.php

It's a ZIP file I put together a few years ago that includes year-by-year minor league listings, with major league affiliations.

oneton · 08-04-2007, 12:18 AM

thanks, ed

William4192 · 07-01-2008, 12:32 AM

Anything for coaches?

Le Grande Orange · 07-01-2008, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oneton

I've got my minors and it appears that a FEW historical players are in there but the majority are fictional. I did set it so that fictional players don't ascend to the majors, but would like the system to be historically accurate. So, did I make a mistake in setting up the whole minor league system AAA to R?

No, technically you didn't make a mistake.

It's just that there is, as yet, no database which lists all the players who only ever played in the minor leagues. The Lahman database, which the game uses for historical leagues, only contains players who have played in at least one major league game (Historically, there have been FAR more players who only played careers in the minors as compared to those who made it to the majors for at least one game.)

So, if you set up a full, historically correct minor league system, you're going to have a huge number of roster positions to fill without real players to fill them, thus necessitating the use of fictional or ghost players. (Setting aside the players question, there are other issues regarding the proper history of the minors and the major-minor relationship that OOTP does not yet recreate.)

SABR is slowly putting together a database which will eventually contain the playing record of every player who ever played in the minor leagues. Needless to say, it is a huge task that will take quite some time to complete...

Hoolegan · 07-01-2008, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ednote

Try this link: Files.SimCentral.NET - Out of the Park > Phil's OOTP Minor League Files

It's a ZIP file I put together a few years ago that includes year-by-year minor league listings, with major league affiliations.

This is a great resource - many thanks! I remember seeing this before and I've been driving myself crazy trying to find it.

Cryomaniac · 07-01-2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

SABR is slowly putting together a database which will eventually contain the playing record of every player who ever played in the minor leagues. Needless to say, it is a huge task that will take quite some time to complete...

I would say "Quite some time" is probably a MASSIVE understatement.

Le Grande Orange · 07-01-2008, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

I would say "Quite some time" is probably a MASSIVE understatement.

True, but on the other hand, they've gotten quite a bit of data donated to the project from researchers who have compiled such data, especially data not generally included in the TSN Guides and similar publications over the years.

spark240 · 07-02-2008, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

SABR is slowly putting together a database which will eventually contain the playing record of every player who ever played in the minor leagues. Needless to say, it is a huge task that will take quite some time to complete...

A database approaching "complete" status will be so massive, and take so long, that I have to think of it as a purely theoretical goal.

I really, really hope SABR puts out an "incomplete" version in the next couple years, just working backward from the present, as far as the complete data has been compiled.

Spritze · 07-03-2008, 02:51 PM

Through 2007

William4192 · 07-03-2008, 03:13 PM

What do I do with this file? Should be in .dat? Am I missing something?

William4192 · 07-04-2008, 06:34 PM

Any Help?

Spritze · 07-05-2008, 01:44 AM

This file is just a list. You would need to make these players coaches manually after they retire. That can be done from the retired players screen. Click on the player and choose turn into a coach.

clamel · 07-05-2008, 06:39 AM

This I have tried starting out in 1987 with my dynasty, but think in most cases they get very bad ratings.
Compared with the fictional blokes that coaches the teams when I start moving around they must all be improved.

Very sadly is that you can´t in no way edit there manager win-loss columns so they all look like raw recruits as managers.

Would be very glad if coaches and managers could have their experience years and win-losses edit.

Creating Sparky Anderson and Bobby Cox, even Earl Weaver with 0-0 as record is a bit sad.

07-01-2008, 12:32 AM	#4
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Anything for coaches? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

07-03-2008, 03:13 PM	#11
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	What do I do with this file? Should be in .dat? Am I missing something? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

07-04-2008, 06:34 PM	#12
William4192 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 1,625	Any Help? __________________ What is this about Rhode Island? It is neither Road or Island. Come check out the PBA. http://www.pioneerbaseballassociation.com Or email at pbacommish@pioneerbaseballassociation.com

08-02-2007, 11:25 PM	#1
oneton Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6	importing historic coaches & minor leagues Question #1: How do I (or maybe, Can I) import historical coaches? Don't need the pics but the names and abilities would be nice. I thought I saw something on this, but my recent searches yielded nothing. Question #2: Well, maybe a little background first... I just set up a new historic league (1940) using Lahman. Not knowing enough about the minor league system back then, I just checked everything (AAA, AA, A, SA, R) hoping that it would recognize the year and adjust accordingly year-to-year (that is, assuming that in 1940 the minor leagues weren't as extensive as they are today). I've got my minors and it appears that a FEW historical players are in there but the majority are fictional. I did set it so that fictional players don't ascend to the majors, but would like the system to be historically accurate. So, did I make a mistake in setting up the whole minor league system AAA to R? If so, is there a good website (or something) that will tell me what the MIL looked like back then? Do I need to start the league over? Another side question relating to MIL - Is there a way to import the real MIL affiliate names? Thanks, in advance

08-03-2007, 10:23 PM	#2
ednote Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ironwood, Mich. Posts: 222	Try this link: http://files.simcentral.net/file/phi...files-2376.php It's a ZIP file I put together a few years ago that includes year-by-year minor league listings, with major league affiliations. __________________ The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past, Ray. It reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again. Oh people will come, Ray. People will most definitely come. --Terence Mann, somewhere in a cornfield in Iowa

08-04-2007, 12:18 AM	#3
oneton Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 6	thanks, ed

07-05-2008, 01:44 AM	#13
Spritze OOTP Historical Czar Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bothell Wa Posts: 7,253	This file is just a list. You would need to make these players coaches manually after they retire. That can be done from the retired players screen. Click on the player and choose turn into a coach.

07-05-2008, 06:39 AM	#14
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,043	This I have tried starting out in 1987 with my dynasty, but think in most cases they get very bad ratings. Compared with the fictional blokes that coaches the teams when I start moving around they must all be improved. Very sadly is that you can´t in no way edit there manager win-loss columns so they all look like raw recruits as managers. Would be very glad if coaches and managers could have their experience years and win-losses edit. Creating Sparky Anderson and Bobby Cox, even Earl Weaver with 0-0 as record is a bit sad.