Holyfield gets another title shot!

hamed · 08-02-2007, 12:02 PM

Ibragimov-Chagaev off: Sultan will now defend against Holyfield!
Evander gets shot at fifth world title
After the sudden withdrawal of WBA Heavyweight Champion Ruslan Chagaev from his October 13th unification bout with WBO Heavyweight Champion Sultan Ibragimov due to undisclosed medical reasons, Seminole Warriors Boxing, Golden Boy Promotions, Main Events and Golden Grain Promotions, in association with Sampson Lewkowicz and Yuri Federov’s Sports Lab, have announced that stepping up to the plate in an attempt to win the heavyweight championship of the world for a fifth time is Evander “The Real Deal” Holyfield. Ibragimov-Holyfield sponsored by Nafta Moskva, will take place on the original date of Ibragimov-Chagaev, Saturday, October 13, at the state of the art Khodynka Arena in Moscow, Russia. Broadcast plans for the bout will be announced once they are secured.
Thursday, August 2 2007

mh2365 · 08-02-2007, 12:20 PM

What an absolute joke .. this is what gives boxing a bad name. Unification bout off and to be filled by a joke.

Disgraceful ... Only thing that could be worse for boxing than giving Holyfield a title shot is if he were to actually win it. Which sadly enough is a possibility since Sultan isn't that good to begin with. If a completely shot fighter like Holyfield wins the title, they might as well fold the HW division. At least when Foreman came back and won it, he wasn't shot.

I was looking forward to the Ruslan fight because he would have put Sultan out of the picture.

Sad sad news Only good ending for boxing in this bout is a quick destruction of Holyfield, but since you can hit him in the head with a shovel 14 times in a row and he still stumbles forward that won't happen. Holyfield already talks like he is brain damaged ... what's another 300 shots to the head.

Tommysixfingers · 08-02-2007, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

What an absolute joke .. this is what gives boxing a bad name. Unification bout off and to be filled by a joke.

Disgraceful ... Only thing that could be worse for boxing than giving Holyfield a title shot is if he were to actually win it. Which sadly enough is a possibility since Sultan isn't that good to begin with. If a completely shot fighter like Holyfield wins the title, they might as well fold the HW division. At least when Foreman came back and won it, he wasn't shot.

I was looking forward to the Ruslan fight because he would have put Sultan out of the picture.

Sad sad news Only good ending for boxing in this bout is a quick destruction of Holyfield, but since you can hit him in the head with a shovel 14 times in a row and he still stumbles forward that won't happen. Holyfield already talks like he is brain damaged ... what's another 300 shots to the head.

That last line is like gasoline on a fire Mike and I doubt that Meade will bring the water to put it out

Seriously though. As much as I like Evander I can't see him winning this one. If he does it says more about the quality of the HW "champions" than anything else. The only real champ is Wladimir Klitschko. I hope that we can see hi as the unified champ, holding 2-3 belts in the future. I have no doubts that he beats the rest of the chumps...sorry, champs...if they can agree to fight.

mh2365 · 08-02-2007, 12:42 PM

Edited my shot at Holyfield it was uncalled for .. I'm actually disgusted by this news. A guy (who cares who it is) who can't get a license in most of the US due to brain damage is getting a title shot.

Even as shot as Holyfield is he is still at least as decent as Ray Austin so he actually has a shot against Sultan ...

almost enough to make me physically ill for the sport.

I edited my shot at Holyfield because you can't blame all the people making money off of him right now at taking the opportunity (hope some of it filters down to all his kids) but come on ... even Meade has to admit that him getting a title shot is a joke. But then again so was Austin getting a title shot.

Tommysixfingers · 08-02-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Edited my shot at Holyfield it was uncalled for .. I'm actually disgusted by this news. A guy (who cares who it is) who can't get a license in most of the US due to brain damage is getting a title shot.

Even as shot as Holyfield is he is still at least as decent as Ray Austin so he actually has a shot against Sultan ...

almost enough to make me physically ill for the sport.

I edited my shot at Holyfield because you can't blame all the people making money off of him right now at taking the opportunity (hope some of it filters down to all his kids) but come on ... even Meade has to admit that him getting a title shot is a joke. But then again so was Austin getting a title shot.

You edited a cheap shot (I'm gonna check for the flying pig outside)...What the hell has happened to you Mike? I feel I don't know you anymore

Honestly, I think you are right about this one. It doesn't do any good at all for the HW division.

mh2365 · 08-02-2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

You edited a cheap shot (I'm gonna check for the flying pig outside)...What the hell has happened to you Mike? I feel I don't know you anymore

Honestly, I think you are right about this one. It doesn't do any good at all for the HW division.

I'm not feeling well

But it was a cheap shot even by my standards

IceTea · 08-02-2007, 01:01 PM

He won't last 5 rounds with Iggy. Iggy, can punch and has fast hands. At this point, he is much better than anyone Evander has faced during his latest comeback. Evander is getting this shot based on his name and that people will pay to watch him one last time. I'm sure he will go out there and try to win, but Iggy isn't a bum. He had an off night against Austin and was overweight. He scaled about 11 pounds less for his bout with Briggs.

MJ

Romdawg88 · 08-02-2007, 01:06 PM

Wow, we've gone from a fight that I was very interested in and looking forward to to something that I have no desire to see what so ever.

a87star · 08-02-2007, 01:33 PM

This is a disgrace. Ibragimov will put Holyfield out of his misery in less than six rounds.

CONN CHRIS · 08-02-2007, 01:38 PM

I agree with all of you so I hate to admit this.

I would love to see the old boy do it again. I hope he won't get killed, and wish he wasn't doing it, but as long as he is - I'll still pull for him.

I should probably duck at this point.

Thunder · 08-02-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I agree with all of you so I hate to admit this.

I would love to see the old boy do it again. I hope he won't get killed, and wish he wasn't doing it, but as long as he is - I'll still pull for him.

I should probably duck at this point.

I'm on your side on this one, although I'm regarding the appearance of the Maggie Fitzgerald avatar in this thread as a bad sign.

mh2365 · 08-02-2007, 02:37 PM

I've never been a fan so I can't root for him, but I will root that he doesn't get killed. I just don't have the faith in Ibragimov that Mark and Kent do but I hope they are right and he can end this.

Romdawg88 · 08-02-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I agree with all of you so I hate to admit this.

I would love to see the old boy do it again. I hope he won't get killed, and wish he wasn't doing it, but as long as he is - I'll still pull for him.

I should probably duck at this point.

I was never a big Holyfield fan but I have a ton of respect for the guy and what he has done in his career so I don't want to see him get beaten up badly which is why I don't want to see this fight but like you I'll be rooting for him to win the thing. It would be cool to see the guy grab the belt one last time and then hopefully retire soon after.

a87star · 08-02-2007, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I've never been a fan so I can't root for him, but I will root that he doesn't get killed. I just don't have the faith in Ibragimov that Mark and Kent do but I hope they are right and he can end this.

Ibragimov has good hand speed and enough punching power to keep Holyfield at bay coupled with the fact his head movement and defense will smother any punches that are thrown at him. During Holyfield's "comeback" he has faced nothing but straight forward, plodding sluggers with very little defense which fits right into his gameplan and forces the opposition to trade with him. I don't think Holyfield at his age can handle a quick boxer/puncher like Ibragimov.

hamed · 08-02-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

I'm on your side on this one, although I'm regarding the appearance of the Maggie Fitzgerald avatar in this thread as a bad sign.

I have to agree with Chris & Thunder.

I think Mike hates guys from the US Olympic teams: Sugar Ray, Holyfield & I forget his stance on Oscar but I think he gives him some credit

cubedrum · 08-02-2007, 04:48 PM

I'm surprised that Meade and even TheBadGuy haven't checked in with an irrational rant about Holyfield being back and better than ever.

Maybe even they don't believe it this time.

mh2365 · 08-02-2007, 05:46 PM

I like Oscar .... I don't hate guys who are from the olympic team and I don't hate Holyfield ... I like him for the same reason everyone else did. Because you knew whether he was fighting Bluto or Olive Oyl he would get hit in the face repeatedly and keep coming forward.

I just don't get caught up in the whole he is a warrior so he is a top 10 HW crap. As I've said all along people throw out heart and warrior about people who get hit constantly .. if he was a top 10 HW he wouldn't of had to be in wars with average to sub average fighters.

meade95 · 08-02-2007, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cubedrum

I'm surprised that Meade and even TheBadGuy haven't checked in with an irrational rant about Holyfield being back and better than ever.

Maybe even they don't believe it this time.

Try again cubedum - I've been as honest and clear since my first days on this forum regarding Holyfield (especially in terms of juding him, as well as others, in their "primes", not when they are clearly FAR past their best days).

I've long said Holyfield's reflexes, skills, etc where on the decline since way back in early 97 Vs Vaughn Bean (it was more then obvious there). It was likewise obvious Vs M. Moorer in their rematch bout (which Holy won by TKO) but you could still see he was struggling to put punches together like he had in the past....and to keep the pressure up -

As for his shot now at the WBO. Without a doubt I will be pulling for him! The notion that this fight doesn't make sense and all that.....That is just BS. The WBO champ gets an optional defense...and of course Holyfield makes sense for him - Money wise -

Just as Ali made sense for Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick. The list of all time greats getting "one more shot" at a world title goes throughout the history of boxing (it is nothing new).

The notion that Holyfield should have to work his way back through the ranks taking on top contenders before another title shot (while I understand the sentiment) in reality it isn't all that reasonable. Past champions put in their sweat equity on their way up the first time (certainly Holyfield did).....Their bodies can't take those same tests again from multiple fights in order to get back there...

So they typically get a title shot (not by becoming a #1 mandatory) but through the optional defense - Agian, I could list dozens and doznes of examples.....So it is nothing new.

As for this fight - Clearly Ibragimov has to be the heavy favorite - Likely by Dec or a late stoppage by corner -

With that said, I'll give old Commander Vander a shot within the first 6 rounds , if Ibragimov gets brave and wants to stand and slug......You know Old Evander is more than willing to fall on his shield fighting....if it means he has a chance to land his shots too.....

mh2365 · 08-02-2007, 05:54 PM

I do understand why the fight is taking place .. and like I said if Ray Austin gets a shot, why not Vander ... but it doesn't mean that it isn't a sad day for boxing esp. if he should win .. which like I said before I think he has a shot.

mh2365 · 08-02-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cubedrum

I'm surprised that Meade and even TheBadGuy haven't checked in with an irrational rant about Holyfield being back and better than ever.

Maybe even they don't believe it this time.

thebadguy now that guy was a joke ... I like meade and 99% of the time I think we are just playing around but thebadguy was hilarious ... I still think him and tysonfan were the same guy.

08-02-2007, 12:20 PM	#2
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	What an absolute joke .. this is what gives boxing a bad name. Unification bout off and to be filled by a joke. Disgraceful ... Only thing that could be worse for boxing than giving Holyfield a title shot is if he were to actually win it. Which sadly enough is a possibility since Sultan isn't that good to begin with. If a completely shot fighter like Holyfield wins the title, they might as well fold the HW division. At least when Foreman came back and won it, he wasn't shot. I was looking forward to the Ruslan fight because he would have put Sultan out of the picture. Sad sad news Only good ending for boxing in this bout is a quick destruction of Holyfield, but since you can hit him in the head with a shovel 14 times in a row and he still stumbles forward that won't happen. Holyfield already talks like he is brain damaged ... what's another 300 shots to the head. Last edited by mh2365; 08-02-2007 at 12:38 PM. Reason: bad shot at Holyfield

08-02-2007, 01:01 PM	#7
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,836	He won't last 5 rounds with Iggy. Iggy, can punch and has fast hands. At this point, he is much better than anyone Evander has faced during his latest comeback. Evander is getting this shot based on his name and that people will pay to watch him one last time. I'm sure he will go out there and try to win, but Iggy isn't a bum. He had an off night against Austin and was overweight. He scaled about 11 pounds less for his bout with Briggs. MJ __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

08-02-2007, 01:06 PM	#8
Romdawg88 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Belle Glade, FL Posts: 4,182	Wow, we've gone from a fight that I was very interested in and looking forward to to something that I have no desire to see what so ever. __________________ Romy "Iceman" Alvarez First TBCB Forum Tournament Champion, 10-6 (5). IBL: 13 - 4 (7) Henry Armstrong > You.

08-02-2007, 01:38 PM	#10
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,025	I agree with all of you so I hate to admit this. I would love to see the old boy do it again. I hope he won't get killed, and wish he wasn't doing it, but as long as he is - I'll still pull for him. I should probably duck at this point. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

08-02-2007, 04:48 PM	#16
cubedrum All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 952	I'm surprised that Meade and even TheBadGuy haven't checked in with an irrational rant about Holyfield being back and better than ever. Maybe even they don't believe it this time. __________________ "If you build a man a fire, he stays warm for one day. If you set a man on fire, he stays warm for the rest of his life" - Edgar Frog

08-02-2007, 12:02 PM	#1
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Holyfield gets another title shot! Ibragimov-Chagaev off: Sultan will now defend against Holyfield! Evander gets shot at fifth world title After the sudden withdrawal of WBA Heavyweight Champion Ruslan Chagaev from his October 13th unification bout with WBO Heavyweight Champion Sultan Ibragimov due to undisclosed medical reasons, Seminole Warriors Boxing, Golden Boy Promotions, Main Events and Golden Grain Promotions, in association with Sampson Lewkowicz and Yuri Federov’s Sports Lab, have announced that stepping up to the plate in an attempt to win the heavyweight championship of the world for a fifth time is Evander “The Real Deal” Holyfield. Ibragimov-Holyfield sponsored by Nafta Moskva, will take place on the original date of Ibragimov-Chagaev, Saturday, October 13, at the state of the art Khodynka Arena in Moscow, Russia. Broadcast plans for the bout will be announced once they are secured. Thursday, August 2 2007

08-02-2007, 12:42 PM	#4
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Edited my shot at Holyfield it was uncalled for .. I'm actually disgusted by this news. A guy (who cares who it is) who can't get a license in most of the US due to brain damage is getting a title shot. Even as shot as Holyfield is he is still at least as decent as Ray Austin so he actually has a shot against Sultan ... almost enough to make me physically ill for the sport. I edited my shot at Holyfield because you can't blame all the people making money off of him right now at taking the opportunity (hope some of it filters down to all his kids) but come on ... even Meade has to admit that him getting a title shot is a joke. But then again so was Austin getting a title shot.

08-02-2007, 01:33 PM	#9
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	This is a disgrace. Ibragimov will put Holyfield out of his misery in less than six rounds.

08-02-2007, 02:37 PM	#12
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I've never been a fan so I can't root for him, but I will root that he doesn't get killed. I just don't have the faith in Ibragimov that Mark and Kent do but I hope they are right and he can end this.

08-02-2007, 05:46 PM	#17
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I like Oscar .... I don't hate guys who are from the olympic team and I don't hate Holyfield ... I like him for the same reason everyone else did. Because you knew whether he was fighting Bluto or Olive Oyl he would get hit in the face repeatedly and keep coming forward. I just don't get caught up in the whole he is a warrior so he is a top 10 HW crap. As I've said all along people throw out heart and warrior about people who get hit constantly .. if he was a top 10 HW he wouldn't of had to be in wars with average to sub average fighters.

08-02-2007, 05:54 PM	#19
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I do understand why the fight is taking place .. and like I said if Ray Austin gets a shot, why not Vander ... but it doesn't mean that it isn't a sad day for boxing esp. if he should win .. which like I said before I think he has a shot.