Ratings changes

metzrule3 · 07-17-2007, 12:36 AM

When and how do player ratings change? Also, how do you when they changed and what they changed from?

1998 Yankees · 07-17-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by metzrule3

When and how do player ratings change? Also, how do you [know] when they changed and what they changed from?

I am assuming the missing word. Aside from age and injury, ratings change randomly. Look for an option in Game Setup, Player & Picture Options to dial up or down Talent Change Randomness.

Right below that setting is another one to Report All Player Talent Changes. When this is on, every time one of your players has a change, you will get a message and it will be recorded on your team's Development Report.

As far as the actual changes, those are not given. The messages only tell you how they are rated now, and the report only says their potential increased or decreased. However, you can compare a player's current ratings to the scouting history in his profile as long as someone other than the head scout rated him in the past (the head scout's message includes his new ratings which will overwrite any that he did in the past).

Also, a player's history includes SISA ratings from one year to the next. That can give you an idea of what happened to his ratings, but you have to wait until the beginning of the following year because SISA does its thing only at year-end.

nyysfan · 07-18-2007, 01:59 AM

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I am assuming the missing word. Aside from age and injury, ratings change randomly.

Wouldn't the ratings change according to some algorithms that simulate the likelihood in real life of certain types of players, besides those older or injured, changing in certain ways? Trying to think of examples like players who are well along in their development who don't get much playing time would be more likely to have their ratings decline. Or players early in their development who get rushed to the majors and are overmatched would be more likely to have their ratings decline. Players on teams with better coaches would be more likely to have their ratings increase. I hope these kinds of things actually affect ratings changes and that randomness is only a small component to ratings changes. Can anyone affirm or refute my suppositions?

Thanks,
Carlton

RchW · 07-18-2007, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nyysfan

Wouldn't the ratings change according to some algorithms that simulate the likelihood in real life of certain types of players, besides those older or injured, changing in certain ways? Trying to think of examples like players who are well along in their development who don't get much playing time would be more likely to have their ratings decline. Or players early in their development who get rushed to the majors and are overmatched would be more likely to have their ratings decline. Players on teams with better coaches would be more likely to have their ratings increase. I hope these kinds of things actually affect ratings changes and that randomness is only a small component to ratings changes. Can anyone affirm or refute my suppositions?

Thanks,
Carlton

Yes it does happen that way in some(most?) circumstances. Markus has said that playing young players above their head can affect development.

The talent change randomness setting referenced by 1998 Yankees is a bit of a misnomer IMO. It should read frequency. In other words the development algorithm is followed but the number of visible (or reported) changes can be dialed up or down via this setting.

I'd be interested if anyone else sees it the way I've described.

1998 Yankees · 07-18-2007, 10:14 AM

Yes, thanks nyysfan and RichW, I should have been more explicit. I look at it as a blend of chance and design. By chance, a player will be chosen for a ratings change and, as the designer intended, those influences (age, injury, coaching, personality) would be at work to determine which way they go. The setting that I mentioned and that RichW clarified determines how often players are selected for such changes and does not really mean true randomness.

RonCo · 07-18-2007, 10:46 AM

Ratings change over time is dependent upon age, the gap between a player's current rating and his potential rating, and to much lesser degree some esoterica like work ethic and BMI. It is also skill-dependent. For example, across the entire league the average major league pitcher's control will tend to grow until the day he retires while his K-rate (primarily stuff) will peak in his 20s and tend to fall slowly but steadily from there. A hitter's power will tend to grow until he's 27, then stabilize and eventually fall. Not all players will behave in accordance to these rhythms, of course.

Potential change can also happen, and will tend to be very volitile in the 18-24 year-old range.

The whole process is a happy mess that tends to create major league careers that generally work out to be pretty realistic when viewed across the entire universe.

1998 Yankees · 07-18-2007, 10:53 AM

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The whole process is a happy mess . . .

RonCo, thanks as usual for the astute commentary. FWIW and speaking for myself only, I am quite happy with the mess that Markus created!

07-17-2007, 12:36 AM	#1
metzrule3 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 22	Ratings changes When and how do player ratings change? Also, how do you when they changed and what they changed from?

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1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Yes, thanks nyysfan and RichW, I should have been more explicit. I look at it as a blend of chance and design. By chance, a player will be chosen for a ratings change and, as the designer intended, those influences (age, injury, coaching, personality) would be at work to determine which way they go. The setting that I mentioned and that RichW clarified determines how often players are selected for such changes and does not really mean true randomness.

07-18-2007, 10:46 AM	#6
RonCo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 10,394	Ratings change over time is dependent upon age, the gap between a player's current rating and his potential rating, and to much lesser degree some esoterica like work ethic and BMI. It is also skill-dependent. For example, across the entire league the average major league pitcher's control will tend to grow until the day he retires while his K-rate (primarily stuff) will peak in his 20s and tend to fall slowly but steadily from there. A hitter's power will tend to grow until he's 27, then stabilize and eventually fall. Not all players will behave in accordance to these rhythms, of course. Potential change can also happen, and will tend to be very volitile in the 18-24 year-old range. The whole process is a happy mess that tends to create major league careers that generally work out to be pretty realistic when viewed across the entire universe.