Kevin Brown

Modern Relic · 09-16-2002, 10:43 PM

I see Kevin Brown is done for the season. Again. Someone remind me again how much the Dodgers gave him?

Long_Long_Name · 09-16-2002, 10:52 PM

Remember when he signed for 13 millions a year (around that isn't it?), everyone said that baseball salaries were getting crazy. How many players earn that much now?

twins15 · 09-16-2002, 11:06 PM

7 years, 105 million i believe.

LivnLegend · 09-17-2002, 12:45 AM

$105 million for that rat bastard. To think the Dodgers low-balled Randy Johnson, causing him to spur the Dodgers and go to Arizona. Then Dodger GM Kevin Malone bid against himself, offering Brown about $40 million more than the Dodgers allegedly offered Johnson (and threw in the private jet to boot). Brown is 37 and not getting younger (or healthier).

Jason Moyer · 09-17-2002, 12:48 AM

They signed him at age 34 to a 7 year contract? Are they insane?

I can understand the big dollars, he's one of the best pitchers of the modern era (granted, he'd be a 300 game winner if he could start 35 games a year), but the length of the contract is ridiculous, especially for a guy entering the number padding phase of his career.

Jason

Chappy · 09-17-2002, 07:44 AM

If I remember correctly, with the bonuses he made more than the Twins entire payroll the first year of his deal (something like 20 million to 19 million).

Malleus Dei · 09-17-2002, 09:58 AM

And people say baseball players aren't overpaid...

lynchjm24 · 09-17-2002, 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by Malleus Dei
And people say baseball players aren't overpaid...

Sure, he's overpaid, but is it Brown's fault or the Dodgers' fault?

CMH · 09-17-2002, 10:04 AM

they are overpaid, but the market bears it. huge difference. its not like i'm paying a McDonalds clerk 20 dollars an hour and losing thousands of dollars a year.

oh wait...i take it all back...ballplayers may just be a tee bit overpaid.

as for kevin brown i dont think the length of the contract matters if you think about it. he's been hurt since he signed the deal. it could be a three year deal. Kevin Brown would not have been healthy. The Dodgers are just unlucky to get an injury prone guy. They went for a gamble and lost.

If Kevin Brown were healthy and pitching as he was expected to, then the deal would have looked genious in comparison to other pitchers salaries **cough** Dreifort **cough**...oh but wait, he was signed by the Dodgers too.

ok i'm sorry, this post was pointless. you guys are right.

CMH · 09-17-2002, 10:04 AM

edit: this is wat happens when you accidentally hit the Reply button twice...

sporr · 09-17-2002, 10:55 AM

Kevin Brown?!? I thought he retired a few years ago.

fantom1979 · 09-17-2002, 02:22 PM

In 4 seasons with LA Kevin Brown is

44 - 23 661.7 IP, 2.97 ERA Not bad, but not worth 15 million

Kevin Browns Salaries (from baseball-reference.com)

Salaries
1989 Texas $72,500
1990 Texas $218,000
1991 Texas $355,000
1992 Texas $1,200,000
1993 Texas $2,800,000
1994 Texas $4,225,000
1995 Baltmore $4,225,000
1996 Florida $3,350,000
1997 Florida $4,510,000
1998 SanDiego $4,935,000
1999 LosAngls $10,714,286
2000 LosAngls $15,714,286
2001 LosAngls $15,714,286

LivnLegend · 09-17-2002, 03:04 PM

The whole Kevin Brown mess can be summed up in two words:

Kevin Malone

A few other Malone "accomplishments":

Signing career sub-.500 sore armed pitcher Darren Dreifort to a $50+ million dollar contract.
Signing Devon White as a free agent
Trading Todd Hollandsworth for crappy lead-off hitter Tom Goodwin (whom the Dodgers are paying to play for the Giants)
Trading Charles Johnson and Roger Cedeno for Todd Hundley
Signing free agent Gregg Olson (8.03 ERA) for $1.75 mill
Signing free agent F.P. Santangelo (.197)
Signing Carlos Perez to a $7+ million dollar per year extension

About the only think in recent memory Malone can't be blaimed for is trading Piazza.

Total Nirvana · 09-17-2002, 03:44 PM

He should of stayed in San Diego, and took the 60 mill offered by Moore..... Greedy bastard

Long_Long_Name · 09-17-2002, 08:49 PM

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Originally posted by LivnLegend
The whole Kevin Brown mess can be summed up in two words:

Kevin Malone

You do know that he was with the Expos before, right? Same for Sox fans, Dan Duquette was in Montréal before. If you put Brochu, Loria , Samson and co. in the mix, why do you think Montréal fans turned their back on MLB?

treedom · 09-17-2002, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by Long_Long_Name

You do know that he was with the Expos before, right? Same for Sox fans, Dan Duquette was in Montréal before. If you put Brochu, Loria , Samson and co. in the mix, why do you think Montréal fans turned their back on MLB?

chicken or the egg?

which came first? did the fans in montreal lose interest because the expos couldn't keep all their prospects? or are the expos not able to pay their prospects-turned-stars because there is little fan interest in montreal, and thus, little revenue?

Long_Long_Name · 09-17-2002, 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by treedom

chicken or the egg?

which came first? did the fans in montreal lose interest because the expos couldn't keep all their prospects? or are the expos not able to pay their prospects-turned-stars because there is little fan interest in montreal, and thus, little revenue?

Well it's a downward spiral. When our good owner Charles Bronfman left the team, the incompetent Brochu took over the team. After the 94 season, when the attendance was actually good compared to major league standards, he let go Fassero, Grissom, Walker, Hill and Wetteland (if I remember correctly). That's a huge firesale. From then on it's a vicious circle...

twins15 · 09-17-2002, 10:13 PM

Guererro's a FA agent soon. If they are still in Montreal, and Vlad leaves, there is gonna be nobody there. Literally.

09-17-2002, 10:15 PM

Since when did Bartolo Colon and Jose Vidro change their names to "nobody"?

Long_Long_Name · 09-17-2002, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by twins15
Guererro's a FA agent soon. If they are still in Montreal, and Vlad leaves, there is gonna be nobody there. Literally.

Actually, I'm really glad that it's Vlad we have and not an all-american player. Vlad won't go for the big bucks, I'm sure he won't go with the Yankees. I'm sure that even if he gets offered less money he'll stay with the Expos franchise. 1st off, he doesn't have to speak to the journalists, and 2nd off he doesn't have to learn English. Didn't somedy mention that Vlad once said he'd leave MLB if the Expos were contracted? He's a good guy...

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LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	$105 million for that rat bastard. To think the Dodgers low-balled Randy Johnson, causing him to spur the Dodgers and go to Arizona. Then Dodger GM Kevin Malone bid against himself, offering Brown about $40 million more than the Dodgers allegedly offered Johnson (and threw in the private jet to boot). Brown is 37 and not getting younger (or healthier). __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.

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Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,106	They signed him at age 34 to a 7 year contract? Are they insane? I can understand the big dollars, he's one of the best pitchers of the modern era (granted, he'd be a 300 game winner if he could start 35 games a year), but the length of the contract is ridiculous, especially for a guy entering the number padding phase of his career. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

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Chappy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 2,721	If I remember correctly, with the bonuses he made more than the Twins entire payroll the first year of his deal (something like 20 million to 19 million). __________________ NPBL - Pennsylvania Freedom AFBL - North Carolina Aviators MLB-Pro - Kansas City Royals

09-17-2002, 10:04 AM	#9
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	they are overpaid, but the market bears it. huge difference. its not like i'm paying a McDonalds clerk 20 dollars an hour and losing thousands of dollars a year. oh wait...i take it all back...ballplayers may just be a tee bit overpaid. as for kevin brown i dont think the length of the contract matters if you think about it. he's been hurt since he signed the deal. it could be a three year deal. Kevin Brown would not have been healthy. The Dodgers are just unlucky to get an injury prone guy. They went for a gamble and lost. If Kevin Brown were healthy and pitching as he was expected to, then the deal would have looked genious in comparison to other pitchers salaries cough Dreifort cough...oh but wait, he was signed by the Dodgers too. ok i'm sorry, this post was pointless. you guys are right.

09-17-2002, 10:55 AM	#11
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Kevin Brown?!? I thought he retired a few years ago.

09-17-2002, 02:22 PM	#12
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	In 4 seasons with LA Kevin Brown is 44 - 23 661.7 IP, 2.97 ERA Not bad, but not worth 15 million Kevin Browns Salaries (from baseball-reference.com) Salaries 1989 Texas $72,500 1990 Texas $218,000 1991 Texas $355,000 1992 Texas $1,200,000 1993 Texas $2,800,000 1994 Texas $4,225,000 1995 Baltmore $4,225,000 1996 Florida $3,350,000 1997 Florida $4,510,000 1998 SanDiego $4,935,000 1999 LosAngls $10,714,286 2000 LosAngls $15,714,286 2001 LosAngls $15,714,286 __________________

09-17-2002, 03:04 PM	#13
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	The whole Kevin Brown mess can be summed up in two words: Kevin Malone A few other Malone "accomplishments": Signing career sub-.500 sore armed pitcher Darren Dreifort to a $50+ million dollar contract. Signing Devon White as a free agent Trading Todd Hollandsworth for crappy lead-off hitter Tom Goodwin (whom the Dodgers are paying to play for the Giants) Trading Charles Johnson and Roger Cedeno for Todd Hundley Signing free agent Gregg Olson (8.03 ERA) for $1.75 mill Signing free agent F.P. Santangelo (.197) Signing Carlos Perez to a $7+ million dollar per year extension About the only think in recent memory Malone can't be blaimed for is trading Piazza.

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twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Guererro's a FA agent soon. If they are still in Montreal, and Vlad leaves, there is gonna be nobody there. Literally. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

09-17-2002, 10:15 PM	#19
ExposFan08 Guest Posts: n/a	Since when did Bartolo Colon and Jose Vidro change their names to "nobody"?