Expansion Teams and the Amateur Draft

kylemmie · 05-05-2007, 09:56 PM

Newbie looking for info -

I am curious how this works. I understood the Amateur draft to be in reverse order of record from the previous year. So I expected the expansion teams to either be the first, or last. Instead, they seem to be randomly distributed.

What am I missing?

Thanks!

cavebutter · 05-06-2007, 12:11 AM

The best I can do is give this a bump. I (stupidly, it turns out) expanded my league after the amateur draft. Then the expansion teams drafted most of my draftees in their draft.

Had I done it the smart way, I would have the same question you do.

Jav · 05-06-2007, 05:06 AM

I have noticed the same thing in my leagues both in 2007 and when I did manual expansions in 2006, but because my leagues allow draft pick trading I couldn't be sure what the order was supposed to be.

However I suspect that the game treats expansion teams the same way it does the initial amateur draft and uses the expansion teams' records at the time of the draft to establish their position in the draft. I don't know if there is any validity to this theory, but I have noticed that expansion teams with better records at the time of the draft, pick later than the others.

The fact I allow draft pick trading confuses things though, so someone else with more knowledge will have to settle the issue. But that is what I think is happening.

kylemmie · 05-06-2007, 12:52 PM

Heh, that scenario hadn't even occurred to me. Just seems a tad bizarre to slip expansion teams in based on their current record amongst teams based on their previous year record. But now that I think about it, that makes more sense, based on where my team drafted, than my initial thought that it appeared random.

I had assumed (I know, don't assume-gnnn) that expansion teams would automatically be first. Damn glad I made that one trade for a high extra first round pick or this expansion team woulda really been hurting.

Guess that is a rather insignificant issue to fix compared to real bug issues tho, so I'll file it away in the "Quirky, but deal with it" file

Thanks for the feedback!

chriskelly · 05-08-2007, 02:20 PM

when I expanded, I moved the amateur draft to late Dec, so it was in the off season, 2 months after expansion. if you do it that way, the expansion teams get the first picks

Curtis · 05-08-2007, 03:51 PM

That's a good idea. It should probably work with the draft set any time after the expansion and before the next opening day, like on March 1st.

kylemmie · 05-08-2007, 08:46 PM

Ditto on the good idea!
So used to just playing with the default setting there, never even occurred to me what would happen if Exp. teams had no record.

Thanks!

spark240 · 05-09-2007, 05:12 PM

I have not actually done an expansion draft, though I have had leagues expand after one or more seasons had been completed. I noticed that in the period after the new teams were created, but before the new season began, the new teams appeared in the last-year's-standings list with 0-0 records, and were ranked as if that was .500.

05-05-2007, 09:56 PM	#1
kylemmie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 99	Expansion Teams and the Amateur Draft Newbie looking for info - I am curious how this works. I understood the Amateur draft to be in reverse order of record from the previous year. So I expected the expansion teams to either be the first, or last. Instead, they seem to be randomly distributed. What am I missing? Thanks!

05-09-2007, 05:12 PM	#8
spark240 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Highest county in the Virginia hills Posts: 637	I have not actually done an expansion draft, though I have had leagues expand after one or more seasons had been completed. I noticed that in the period after the new teams were created, but before the new season began, the new teams appeared in the last-year's-standings list with 0-0 records, and were ranked as if that was .500. Last edited by spark240; 05-09-2007 at 05:14 PM.

05-06-2007, 12:11 AM	#2
cavebutter All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,163	The best I can do is give this a bump. I (stupidly, it turns out) expanded my league after the amateur draft. Then the expansion teams drafted most of my draftees in their draft. Had I done it the smart way, I would have the same question you do.

05-06-2007, 05:06 AM	#3
Jav Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 28	I have noticed the same thing in my leagues both in 2007 and when I did manual expansions in 2006, but because my leagues allow draft pick trading I couldn't be sure what the order was supposed to be. However I suspect that the game treats expansion teams the same way it does the initial amateur draft and uses the expansion teams' records at the time of the draft to establish their position in the draft. I don't know if there is any validity to this theory, but I have noticed that expansion teams with better records at the time of the draft, pick later than the others. The fact I allow draft pick trading confuses things though, so someone else with more knowledge will have to settle the issue. But that is what I think is happening.

05-06-2007, 12:52 PM	#4
kylemmie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 99	Heh, that scenario hadn't even occurred to me. Just seems a tad bizarre to slip expansion teams in based on their current record amongst teams based on their previous year record. But now that I think about it, that makes more sense, based on where my team drafted, than my initial thought that it appeared random. I had assumed (I know, don't assume-gnnn) that expansion teams would automatically be first. Damn glad I made that one trade for a high extra first round pick or this expansion team woulda really been hurting. Guess that is a rather insignificant issue to fix compared to real bug issues tho, so I'll file it away in the "Quirky, but deal with it" file Thanks for the feedback!

05-08-2007, 02:20 PM	#5
chriskelly All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 753	when I expanded, I moved the amateur draft to late Dec, so it was in the off season, 2 months after expansion. if you do it that way, the expansion teams get the first picks

05-08-2007, 03:51 PM	#6
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	That's a good idea. It should probably work with the draft set any time after the expansion and before the next opening day, like on March 1st.

05-08-2007, 08:46 PM	#7
kylemmie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 99	Ditto on the good idea! So used to just playing with the default setting there, never even occurred to me what would happen if Exp. teams had no record. Thanks!