Owners are not patient

targy · 04-26-2007, 09:51 AM

1955 I manage Brooklyn and we win the World Series
1956 I manage Brooklyn and we win the World Series
1957 A multitude of injuries and the second rate players finish second 12 games out and i get fired.

I remember the Dodgers has patients with managers ie: Walt Alston and Tommy Lasorda..

I guess I just have to make sure that players do not get injured so I do not lose my job

Assos · 04-26-2007, 09:54 AM

Have healthier players? I think made this comment before, the computer owners are modeled after the Big Stein himself, George, King of the Yankees.... You might have even been replaced by Billy Martin.

Getch · 04-26-2007, 11:19 AM

How'd the finances go for those years? Did you lose money? Owners care about the bottom line, and Markus has said that the bottom line of the organization is a factor on whether you are fired or not.

DougWyatt · 04-26-2007, 11:42 AM

Just out of curiosity, exactly when does the OOTP firing happen ?

From what I've read, it seems a little out of whack (or at least I've read numerous complaints). So what I'm thinking is to make myself commissioner for the "firing week" or whatever the time period is.

Is this a doable workaround ? Or is it even neccessary (like you can "refuse" the firing, or you can easily grab your team again immediately, and the AI doesn't do stupid shizzit in the two seconds your not GM)

Melo · 04-26-2007, 11:52 AM

I would like to find some other way for the game to handle this. I play in Commish mode because it bites when you get fired questionably. Also you have to be in commish mode to fully set up a solo league. However, I don't like the perks that come with playing in commish mode such as advantages when hiring coaches, etc. This is probably something that can be expanded/modified for 2008.

DougWyatt · 04-26-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

I would like to find some other way for the game to handle this. I play in Commish mode because it bites when you get fired questionably. Also you have to be in commish mode to fully set up a solo league. However, I don't like the perks that come with playing in commish mode such as advantages when hiring coaches, etc. This is probably something that can be expanded/modified for 2008.

You can switch Commish on and off, so couldn't you just set up in commish & then turn it off ? Then switch it on during the firing period, and turn it off ?

Sounds like a pain, but would be pretty easy.

24Rocks · 04-26-2007, 12:04 PM

I had a manger that was 1.0 game back then lost 5 in a row and was 7.0 games back (27-34) and got fired.

Melo · 04-26-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

You can switch Commish on and off, so couldn't you just set up in commish & then turn it off ? Then switch it on during the firing period, and turn it off ?

Sounds like a pain, but would be pretty easy.

yeah that's what I have been doing but I think it could be implemented a little better.

For instance, have four setting for firing:

1) none
2) easy
3) medium
4) hard

this wouldn't affect how the players performed or how easy the game was like the older versions did but it would affect how harshly the owner judges you.

Then I would seperate some of the editing functions. I understand that a lot of them are in there for online league integrity but maybe code it so some of the features (such as park editing) are readily available without being in commish mode for a solo leaguer.

Kind of nit picky and I wouldn't have brought it up if someone hadn't.

silvam14 · 04-26-2007, 12:46 PM

Winning two world series in a row should result in a healthy bottom line and not being fired IMO

eriqjaffe · 04-26-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by targy

Walt Alston and Tommy Lasorda

Walt Alston was never signed to a contract longer than 1 year.

CHCfan · 04-26-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

Winning two world series in a row should result in a healthy bottom line and not being fired IMO

Joe Girardi was manager of the year. I'm not excusing what might be less-than-perfect programming/design, but weird stuff happens in real life.

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 04-26-2007, 02:02 PM

I actually got another manager fired. I was simming a game and after I won the opposing manager got fired. I am sure he reached his won-loss % with the manager, but it was funny to see. This was only after 1 full season and 30 games in to the next. He must have been on a short leash.

silvam14 · 04-26-2007, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CHCfan

Joe Girardi was manager of the year. I'm not excusing what might be less-than-perfect programming/design, but weird stuff happens in real life.

Yeah, but I don't think anyone in OOTP has personal quibbles with ownership. And if that is the reason you get fired (as was Girardi) then it should be an option

CatKnight · 04-26-2007, 03:59 PM

I wasn't here, but didn't OOTP 6 have 'patient' owners and ones that were more touchy? I'm having no problems with my guy so far:

1901: Owner wants me to win it all. I take the AL pennant but lose the as yet unnamed championship.

1902: Ditto and ditto.

1903: Owner wants me to make the playoffs. I barely beat .500 for 3rd place.

I think MUCH of this has to do with financials.

Crimguy · 04-26-2007, 04:14 PM

I've been fired twice, and I've only owned the game for 3 weeks.

The AI has no patience. I took over a lousy team that went .380 the previous year. I barely made .500 ball and got canned. I had the financials set to "rebuild," and I was indeed rebuilding.

I think the game would benefit from more owner information, including
1) how spendthrift they are,
2) how much they wish to win (the Eagles and Phillies went years with owners that had no desire to win, and therefore didn't really care about anything except profitability)
3) General reputation - bonkers, average, supportive, patient.

Chmura Sports · 04-26-2007, 04:30 PM

how about this one. a guy in my league was:

2007: 118-44 Won playoffs
2008: 107-55 Made playoffs
2009: 107-55 Made playoffs
2010: 101-61 Won playoffs
2011: 113-49 Made playoffs
2012: 13-21 before getting fired

explain that case of getting fired

voxpoptart · 04-26-2007, 04:40 PM

Allow me, as a first-season player, to bump DougWyatt's question: Exactly when does the firing week occur? I too would like to arrange to prevent the wholesale sacking of managers, and if it's mostly all happening at once, I'd like to be prepared.

CatKnight · 04-26-2007, 04:42 PM

13-21? Obviously you were past your prime, my friend.

I do agree more info on the owners would be nice. A GM would know more about what his boss expects than "win."

Personally, I'd like to see the 'personal' aspect of it - wife/kids/money/etc. - come back as well. That looked like fun

EDIT: Vox - It CAN happen mid-season, but the majority occur between the period when the regular season ends, and the playoffs end.

zekester91 · 04-26-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by voxpoptart

Allow me, as a first-season player, to bump DougWyatt's question: Exactly when does the firing week occur? I too would like to arrange to prevent the wholesale sacking of managers, and if it's mostly all happening at once, I'd like to be prepared.

The most likely time is directly after the completion of the playoffs, but anytime your under .500 it might happen

Jose Cardenal's Afro · 04-26-2007, 06:47 PM

There should be a warning before you get fired, like the owner gives you a "vote of confidence". This usually happens right before a manger gets fired.

04-26-2007, 09:51 AM	#1
targy All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,152	Owners are not patient 1955 I manage Brooklyn and we win the World Series 1956 I manage Brooklyn and we win the World Series 1957 A multitude of injuries and the second rate players finish second 12 games out and i get fired. I remember the Dodgers has patients with managers ie: Walt Alston and Tommy Lasorda.. I guess I just have to make sure that players do not get injured so I do not lose my job __________________ www.emerge180.com

04-26-2007, 11:19 AM	#3
Getch All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 868	How'd the finances go for those years? Did you lose money? Owners care about the bottom line, and Markus has said that the bottom line of the organization is a factor on whether you are fired or not. __________________ Get the OOTP Online Utilities for online leagues! Includes Gamecast, Development, Live Sims, Voting and more. Check here for more details

04-26-2007, 11:42 AM	#4
DougWyatt All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,117	Just out of curiosity, exactly when does the OOTP firing happen ? From what I've read, it seems a little out of whack (or at least I've read numerous complaints). So what I'm thinking is to make myself commissioner for the "firing week" or whatever the time period is. Is this a doable workaround ? Or is it even neccessary (like you can "refuse" the firing, or you can easily grab your team again immediately, and the AI doesn't do stupid shizzit in the two seconds your not GM) Last edited by DougWyatt; 04-26-2007 at 11:44 AM.

04-26-2007, 12:04 PM	#7
24Rocks All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scarborough, Ontario, Canada Posts: 808	I had a manger that was 1.0 game back then lost 5 in a row and was 7.0 games back (27-34) and got fired. __________________ Jonny Former OOTP Online leagues: LOHO: Detroit Tigers ISL: San Diego Padres VSL: Pittsburgh Pirates NPBL: Ohio Raptors/Nova Scotia Fishermen AFBL:Ontario Blue Pirates Check you my YOUTUBE or TWITCH

04-26-2007, 12:46 PM	#9
silvam14 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dedham, MA Posts: 9,973	Winning two world series in a row should result in a healthy bottom line and not being fired IMO __________________ Senior "Nancy Boy" of the OOTP Boards _______________________________________________

04-26-2007, 09:54 AM	#2
Assos All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Just on the fair side of the foul pole! Posts: 1,772	Have healthier players? I think made this comment before, the computer owners are modeled after the Big Stein himself, George, King of the Yankees.... You might have even been replaced by Billy Martin.

04-26-2007, 11:52 AM	#5
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	I would like to find some other way for the game to handle this. I play in Commish mode because it bites when you get fired questionably. Also you have to be in commish mode to fully set up a solo league. However, I don't like the perks that come with playing in commish mode such as advantages when hiring coaches, etc. This is probably something that can be expanded/modified for 2008.

04-26-2007, 02:02 PM	#12
Jose Cardenal's Afro Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 374	I actually got another manager fired. I was simming a game and after I won the opposing manager got fired. I am sure he reached his won-loss % with the manager, but it was funny to see. This was only after 1 full season and 30 games in to the next. He must have been on a short leash.

04-26-2007, 03:59 PM	#14
CatKnight All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,199	I wasn't here, but didn't OOTP 6 have 'patient' owners and ones that were more touchy? I'm having no problems with my guy so far: 1901: Owner wants me to win it all. I take the AL pennant but lose the as yet unnamed championship. 1902: Ditto and ditto. 1903: Owner wants me to make the playoffs. I barely beat .500 for 3rd place. I think MUCH of this has to do with financials.

04-26-2007, 04:14 PM	#15
Crimguy Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 271	I've been fired twice, and I've only owned the game for 3 weeks. The AI has no patience. I took over a lousy team that went .380 the previous year. I barely made .500 ball and got canned. I had the financials set to "rebuild," and I was indeed rebuilding. I think the game would benefit from more owner information, including 1) how spendthrift they are, 2) how much they wish to win (the Eagles and Phillies went years with owners that had no desire to win, and therefore didn't really care about anything except profitability) 3) General reputation - bonkers, average, supportive, patient.

04-26-2007, 04:30 PM	#16
Chmura Sports Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 32	how about this one. a guy in my league was: 2007: 118-44 Won playoffs 2008: 107-55 Made playoffs 2009: 107-55 Made playoffs 2010: 101-61 Won playoffs 2011: 113-49 Made playoffs 2012: 13-21 before getting fired explain that case of getting fired

04-26-2007, 04:40 PM	#17
voxpoptart Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 387	Allow me, as a first-season player, to bump DougWyatt's question: Exactly when does the firing week occur? I too would like to arrange to prevent the wholesale sacking of managers, and if it's mostly all happening at once, I'd like to be prepared.

04-26-2007, 04:42 PM	#18
CatKnight All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,199	13-21? Obviously you were past your prime, my friend. I do agree more info on the owners would be nice. A GM would know more about what his boss expects than "win." Personally, I'd like to see the 'personal' aspect of it - wife/kids/money/etc. - come back as well. That looked like fun EDIT: Vox - It CAN happen mid-season, but the majority occur between the period when the regular season ends, and the playoffs end. Last edited by CatKnight; 04-26-2007 at 04:44 PM.

04-26-2007, 06:47 PM	#20
Jose Cardenal's Afro Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Limbo Posts: 374	There should be a warning before you get fired, like the owner gives you a "vote of confidence". This usually happens right before a manger gets fired.