The Twins are playing in the Minor Leagues!

Mariner and Giants Fan · 08-31-2002, 02:55 AM

Sure must be nice playing the majority of their games against triple A talent! NO wonder they are so far out in front of the Triple A Sox

The Twins will be three and out against the Red Sox if Pedro is healthy! Yes I know the Mariner's will probably not make the playoffs this year...sad but true, however they are in a Major League Division (the best in baseball). The top three teams in the West would have clinched in the Tripl A Central by now!
Now I am not a Twins basher, I would not have wanted them to be contracted (the Marlins, sure, the expos maybe but not the Twins). I was just get a little tired of that Twins fan who is whining baout Ichiro being over rated! YOu wanna talk overrated, this year and it's Tori Hunter! Sure he is a good ball player, but not nearly as good as the press makes him seem. Wait until the playoffs when they play some Major League talent for real!

spleen1015 · 08-31-2002, 10:36 AM

How can they go three and ut aginast the Red Sox when the Red Sox won't be there?

Carplos · 08-31-2002, 11:41 AM

*would like to point out that GaMFan does not speak for all Giants and Mariners fans*

CMH · 08-31-2002, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by Carplos
*would like to point out that GaMFan does not speak for all Giants and Mariners fans*

wouldnt it be MaGFan???

but i do agree that the Twins are dominating the Central b/c they have no competitors.

however, its unfair to state that.

the Cleveland Indians had no competiton in the Central for a number of years.

Ever heard of the Braves? there hasnt been any competition in that division for the last decade, with the exception of last year.

Carplos · 08-31-2002, 11:55 AM

Yes, I did it backwards and was too lazy to edit and fix it.

drprestwood · 08-31-2002, 03:09 PM

Okay, not fair to call the central AAA...the D-Rays are in the East, after all. I went to a Durham Bulls game last night...they could play with the Rays, and they're Tampa Bay's AAA affiliate. That's AAA.

Torii Hunter is not overrated. He hits for average and has some power, and he's the best defensive outfielder in the AL. What more have they said about him that makes him overrated? He's the best all-around position player on a first place team. That entitles him to enter the MVP discussion, which has died down since he hasn't replicated his 1st half numbers in the 2nd half of the season. Your lack of actual argument indicates to me that you ARE a Twins basher. Wanting the Twins to be contracted would have made you an idiot. The two are separate.

You know, I'm not aware of the nuances of the MLB schedule, but I'm fairly certain that teams also play games against other divisions. Hmm. The Twins have played well against everybody but the Yankees, who just straight out-gun them.

YankeeFan makes a solid argument about the Indians. They didn't get a similar disrespect. Maybe you just think it's cool to avoid the norm, which is at this point to root for the Twins as an underdog. As somebody who spent the last decade going to Twins games, let me tell you...it's about time.

Ichiro isn't overrated. He's one of the best pure hitters in baseball. If you're mad because a Twins fan makes an argument in another forum, maybe you should answer him on point instead of childishly taking it out on his favorite team. There are other Twins fans out there, you know.

Interestingly enough, Ichiro is on the Twins in my current MLB Sim...bats over .370 every season, steals 100 bases a year. Not overrated there.

twins15 · 08-31-2002, 04:26 PM

Don't forget that the Twins have played evry well against the AL West. They are over .500 versus the Mariners, .500 versus the A's, and over .500 vs. the Angels. So it's not just their division.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 08-31-2002, 07:40 PM

The major league schedule is an unbalanced one with teams playing more games in their own division. Yes the Twins have played decently against some of the real teams outside of their division. However they would not even be vying for the wildcard were they to play say the Rangers schedule instead of the one they have. No this is not their fault, I was just making an observation.

Every fan knows that the Twins will not get past the Yankees, Red Sox, A's most likely not past the Angels or Mariners should they meet in the playoffs. The Twinkies are simply too inexperienced and not used to playing games that count! They are simply a "one-season wonder created by Bud Seligs desire to Contract them! Remember last year when they played well until the All Star break then died in the second half. This year they have the fortune to see the Indians becoime a triple A team like most of the rest of the division. They are not that good, no matter if they beat the A's or M's sometimes, doesn't matter, wait until the playoffs.

Oh and the Devil rays are double A!!

drprestwood · 08-31-2002, 08:13 PM

I'm aware that the schedule is unbalanced. Thanks. They wouldn't have the Rangers' record if they had the Rangers' schedule. The Mariners wouldn't have their record if they had the Rangers' schedule either, as they would have most likely split with themselves.

Really! Everybody knows that the Twins can't win in the playoffs? You're right. I agree, as I ALSO like to make unfounded claims.

They would have trouble getting past any of those teams. That's because the best teams make the playoffs. I don't believe that they would beat the Yankees. As somebody who has been to or watched almost every game this season, I think that if they play well they could beat the Red Sox, Angels, Mariners or A's. Unless you've seen them play games against all of these teams, I wouldn't talk. You need to provide a REASON for your claims, you see...since I have no reason to believe that you should just "know" what "everybody" thinks.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about. The contraction issue did not create the Twins' success. They had a bad second half last season due to some key injuries (Guzman, especially) and due to the fact that they were so young and inexperienced with pacing themselves for a season. This season, they have not had the same injuries to position players in the second half, and Gardenhire has taken steps to make sure players don't get tired.

I'm not going to claim that the Twins are going to win the series, but the idea that they're only doing well because they're playing horrible teams is a bad one.

All of the aforementioned teams have winning records against the central, but the Mariners and Red Sox don't come close to approaching the winning percentage against the division that the Twins have.

Finally, based on the Twins against the West this year...based on the percentage they've won against the West this year...if they had played all of their AL Central games against West opponents and West games against Central opponents (essentially shifting them to the West and leaving the Central with 4 teams), their record would be 78-58. That's better than Boston, and right in the middle of the hunt. Ta-dow.

Dwolfson20 · 08-31-2002, 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by Mariner and Giants Fan
They are simply a "one-season wonder created by Bud Seligs desire to Contract them!

Wow, that statement is so wrong on so many different levels that I'm having trouble comprehending it.

twins15 · 08-31-2002, 08:39 PM

Mariners fan said that they would have no chance to beat the Red Sox in a series. I would imagine a big part of that would be that the Red Sox have Pedro. But don't forget that the Twins ended Pedro's big streak, beating him 5-0.

twins15 · 08-31-2002, 09:53 PM

The Twins have played well all year vs. the contenders except for the Yankees, and the reason they did really bad vs. them was becuase Mientkiewicz, Koskie, Mays, and Radke were hurt.

KC · 08-31-2002, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by Dwolfson20

Wow, that statement is so wrong on so many different levels that I'm having trouble comprehending it.

I love it how two people can say so much, by each writing just one sentence. I admire that.

(No disrespect.)

andy m · 09-01-2002, 04:58 AM

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The Twinkies are simply too inexperienced and not used to playing games that count!

that's why the Diamondbacks lost the world series last year right? because they weren't used to the playoffs? and that's why the Braves win it every year, yes? because they play so many playoff games?

you make some of the funniest mistakes ever.

anyway, i love it when people make predictions on 5 game playoff series. anything can happen in those games - they are over in a heartbeat. writing off the Twins is daft, especially when they have some very good starting pitchers (so often the key in a 5 game series).

Mariner and Giants Fan · 09-01-2002, 03:38 PM

I just love stirring up the pot! Here I am voicing an opinion, that is based upon what I have seen over the past 30 years as a fan and everybody gets so excited....I LOVE IT

Yes I may be wrong and yes I may be right. That is the fun of being a fan and having your own opinion. Hey for all I know the Twins may win it all ala "Major League" and the Indians! Hey perhaps all the teams are on the take and they will let the Twins win just to suck the fans in. Then again the media probably owns all sports and calls the shots! Who knows? Do you?

The whole thing about Ichiro was just as silly and foolish as this topic. That was the point I was trying to make. Thanks for proving it

Steely Glint · 09-01-2002, 04:07 PM

Your point was?

Mariner and Giants Fan · 09-01-2002, 04:15 PM

Read both threads, fully and then come back and ask your question, if you still cannot find the answer that satisfies you.

drprestwood · 09-01-2002, 06:37 PM

I guess I can't find what you mean. I know what you're trying to say, and I think you're lying. I think you now realize that you made a bunch of unfounded claims and can't back out of them without losing face. It's okay, you can do it. It's the internet.

I can't believe you're comparing the Twins to the Indians in "Major League."

Yes, I do know. You're wrong. The media does not own all sports, nor are all teams on the take to make sure the Twins win. I don't even know what that means, since "on the take" isn't applicable to that situation.

Go Mariners!

twins15 · 09-01-2002, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mariner and Giants Fan

Hey perhaps all the teams are on the take and they will let the Twins win just to suck the fans in. Then again the media probably owns all sports and calls the shots!

That is the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

Big Train · 09-01-2002, 07:45 PM

Remember 1987? an 85-win Twins team managed to win the world series beating teams who were definately better; it's impossible to know for sure what will happen in the playoffs. I would be surprised to see the Twins win the world series this year but not totally shocked. They have very good pitching,excellent defence and adequate offense and would probably have been even better if they had Milton and Radke all year.
Yeah they play in a crappy division and if they played in the West or East their record would be somewhat worse but I think they'd still be in playoff contention.

08-31-2002, 02:55 AM	#1
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	The Twins are playing in the Minor Leagues! Sure must be nice playing the majority of their games against triple A talent! NO wonder they are so far out in front of the Triple A Sox The Twins will be three and out against the Red Sox if Pedro is healthy! Yes I know the Mariner's will probably not make the playoffs this year...sad but true, however they are in a Major League Division (the best in baseball). The top three teams in the West would have clinched in the Tripl A Central by now! Now I am not a Twins basher, I would not have wanted them to be contracted (the Marlins, sure, the expos maybe but not the Twins). I was just get a little tired of that Twins fan who is whining baout Ichiro being over rated! YOu wanna talk overrated, this year and it's Tori Hunter! Sure he is a good ball player, but not nearly as good as the press makes him seem. Wait until the playoffs when they play some Major League talent for real!

08-31-2002, 04:26 PM	#7
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Don't forget that the Twins have played evry well against the AL West. They are over .500 versus the Mariners, .500 versus the A's, and over .500 vs. the Angels. So it's not just their division. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

08-31-2002, 07:40 PM	#8
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	The major league schedule is an unbalanced one with teams playing more games in their own division. Yes the Twins have played decently against some of the real teams outside of their division. However they would not even be vying for the wildcard were they to play say the Rangers schedule instead of the one they have. No this is not their fault, I was just making an observation. Every fan knows that the Twins will not get past the Yankees, Red Sox, A's most likely not past the Angels or Mariners should they meet in the playoffs. The Twinkies are simply too inexperienced and not used to playing games that count! They are simply a "one-season wonder created by Bud Seligs desire to Contract them! Remember last year when they played well until the All Star break then died in the second half. This year they have the fortune to see the Indians becoime a triple A team like most of the rest of the division. They are not that good, no matter if they beat the A's or M's sometimes, doesn't matter, wait until the playoffs. Oh and the Devil rays are double A!! __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

08-31-2002, 08:39 PM	#11
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Mariners fan said that they would have no chance to beat the Red Sox in a series. I would imagine a big part of that would be that the Red Sox have Pedro. But don't forget that the Twins ended Pedro's big streak, beating him 5-0. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

08-31-2002, 09:53 PM	#12
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	The Twins have played well all year vs. the contenders except for the Yankees, and the reason they did really bad vs. them was becuase Mientkiewicz, Koskie, Mays, and Radke were hurt. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

08-31-2002, 10:36 AM	#2
spleen1015 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,008	How can they go three and ut aginast the Red Sox when the Red Sox won't be there?

08-31-2002, 11:41 AM	#3
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,884 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	would like to point out that GaMFan does not speak for all Giants and Mariners fans

08-31-2002, 11:55 AM	#5
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,884 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Yes, I did it backwards and was too lazy to edit and fix it.

08-31-2002, 03:09 PM	#6
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	Okay, not fair to call the central AAA...the D-Rays are in the East, after all. I went to a Durham Bulls game last night...they could play with the Rays, and they're Tampa Bay's AAA affiliate. That's AAA. Torii Hunter is not overrated. He hits for average and has some power, and he's the best defensive outfielder in the AL. What more have they said about him that makes him overrated? He's the best all-around position player on a first place team. That entitles him to enter the MVP discussion, which has died down since he hasn't replicated his 1st half numbers in the 2nd half of the season. Your lack of actual argument indicates to me that you ARE a Twins basher. Wanting the Twins to be contracted would have made you an idiot. The two are separate. You know, I'm not aware of the nuances of the MLB schedule, but I'm fairly certain that teams also play games against other divisions. Hmm. The Twins have played well against everybody but the Yankees, who just straight out-gun them. YankeeFan makes a solid argument about the Indians. They didn't get a similar disrespect. Maybe you just think it's cool to avoid the norm, which is at this point to root for the Twins as an underdog. As somebody who spent the last decade going to Twins games, let me tell you...it's about time. Ichiro isn't overrated. He's one of the best pure hitters in baseball. If you're mad because a Twins fan makes an argument in another forum, maybe you should answer him on point instead of childishly taking it out on his favorite team. There are other Twins fans out there, you know. Interestingly enough, Ichiro is on the Twins in my current MLB Sim...bats over .370 every season, steals 100 bases a year. Not overrated there.

08-31-2002, 08:13 PM	#9
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	I'm aware that the schedule is unbalanced. Thanks. They wouldn't have the Rangers' record if they had the Rangers' schedule. The Mariners wouldn't have their record if they had the Rangers' schedule either, as they would have most likely split with themselves. Really! Everybody knows that the Twins can't win in the playoffs? You're right. I agree, as I ALSO like to make unfounded claims. They would have trouble getting past any of those teams. That's because the best teams make the playoffs. I don't believe that they would beat the Yankees. As somebody who has been to or watched almost every game this season, I think that if they play well they could beat the Red Sox, Angels, Mariners or A's. Unless you've seen them play games against all of these teams, I wouldn't talk. You need to provide a REASON for your claims, you see...since I have no reason to believe that you should just "know" what "everybody" thinks. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. The contraction issue did not create the Twins' success. They had a bad second half last season due to some key injuries (Guzman, especially) and due to the fact that they were so young and inexperienced with pacing themselves for a season. This season, they have not had the same injuries to position players in the second half, and Gardenhire has taken steps to make sure players don't get tired. I'm not going to claim that the Twins are going to win the series, but the idea that they're only doing well because they're playing horrible teams is a bad one. All of the aforementioned teams have winning records against the central, but the Mariners and Red Sox don't come close to approaching the winning percentage against the division that the Twins have. Finally, based on the Twins against the West this year...based on the percentage they've won against the West this year...if they had played all of their AL Central games against West opponents and West games against Central opponents (essentially shifting them to the West and leaving the Central with 4 teams), their record would be 78-58. That's better than Boston, and right in the middle of the hunt. Ta-dow.

09-01-2002, 03:38 PM	#15
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	I just love stirring up the pot! Here I am voicing an opinion, that is based upon what I have seen over the past 30 years as a fan and everybody gets so excited....I LOVE IT Yes I may be wrong and yes I may be right. That is the fun of being a fan and having your own opinion. Hey for all I know the Twins may win it all ala "Major League" and the Indians! Hey perhaps all the teams are on the take and they will let the Twins win just to suck the fans in. Then again the media probably owns all sports and calls the shots! Who knows? Do you? The whole thing about Ichiro was just as silly and foolish as this topic. That was the point I was trying to make. Thanks for proving it __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

09-01-2002, 04:07 PM	#16
Steely Glint Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 430	Your point was? __________________ "His eyes had the steely glint of a hired gun."

09-01-2002, 04:15 PM	#17
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,264	Read both threads, fully and then come back and ask your question, if you still cannot find the answer that satisfies you. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

09-01-2002, 06:37 PM	#18
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	I guess I can't find what you mean. I know what you're trying to say, and I think you're lying. I think you now realize that you made a bunch of unfounded claims and can't back out of them without losing face. It's okay, you can do it. It's the internet. I can't believe you're comparing the Twins to the Indians in "Major League." Yes, I do know. You're wrong. The media does not own all sports, nor are all teams on the take to make sure the Twins win. I don't even know what that means, since "on the take" isn't applicable to that situation. Go Mariners!

09-01-2002, 07:45 PM	#20
Big Train Major Leagues Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 402	Remember 1987? an 85-win Twins team managed to win the world series beating teams who were definately better; it's impossible to know for sure what will happen in the playoffs. I would be surprised to see the Twins win the world series this year but not totally shocked. They have very good pitching,excellent defence and adequate offense and would probably have been even better if they had Milton and Radke all year. Yeah they play in a crappy division and if they played in the West or East their record would be somewhat worse but I think they'd still be in playoff contention.