1390 - 40 Man Roster/Options

JTSMOOTH · 03-22-2007, 07:31 PM

I've been posting these bugs/innacurate rules for a few years now, so I'm sure they are well known...Just figured I'd get them officially logged in 2007 as well. One of these days I hope to get these issues fixed....

Issue/Bug #1- Game does not properly handle minor league options.

As the title states, the game does not properly handle minor league options for players at the minor league level.......Here is a comparison of how things work in the MLB and OOTP.

Lets take player A and player B

Both Player A and Player B are drafted in the 2000 season.

After 3 solid years at the minor league level, both player A and Player B are added to the 40 man roster to avoid being drafted in the Rule V draft.(Not sure if OOTP2007 has incorporated the new changes in the CBA signed last year, so I'll just assume for now its still using 3 years for those who were 19 and older when they first signed a pro contract)

So the following spring rolls around, both Player A and Player B do not make the big league club and are optioned back to the minor leagues during spring training. They repeat this same process for the following 2 seasons, so they are now left with no options remaining.

So here is where OOTP and the MLB rules differ, one IMHO takes away a huge amount of strategy....

The following spring, both Player A and Player B are out of options.

Under the MLB rules, Player A and Player B both players are required to make the teams 25 man Big League roster, if they do not, the team must first expose the player to irrevocable waivers before being able to send the player to the minor leagues once again.

In OOTP, as long as Player A and Player B are sitting on a 40 man roster, they can sit at the minor leagues for as long as the team wishes, despite being out of options.

Issue/Bug #2

This one sort of ties in with the other one, only it has to do with the 40 man roster and playoff rosters.

In the MLB, rosters expand from 25 to 40 from Sept. all the way until Opening day of the following season. Once the playoffs start, teams select players from their 40 man roster(ones that are eligible) and create a playoff roster.

In OOTP, rosters expand to 40 starting Sept. 1st, but then chop back down to 25 once the playoffs start, which is forcing teams to unnecessarily waive players in order to get down to the 25 man playoff roster limit.

So in summary, the Big league roster should be 40 from Sept. 1st-Opening day of the following season. The playoff roster should be a 25 man roster, but a seperate entity from the 40 man roster.

The 40 man roster should carry over through spring training until opening day and any player who is a part of a 40 man roster but does not make a teams 25 man roster to start a season should use up an option year. If said player does not have any more options remaining, the player then has to be exposed to waivers in order to be sent to the minor leagues.

JT

thomamon · 03-22-2007, 08:06 PM

I have logged Bug #2 as TT 2978.

However, are you certain about the rule for number 1? I don't think your correct, but I could be wrong. I don't think that out of Sprint Training, it counts as an option if sent back to AAA and never started the season on the major league roster.

bp_ · 03-22-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

Issue/Bug #2

This one sort of ties in with the other one, only it has to do with the 40 man roster and playoff rosters.

In the MLB, rosters expand from 25 to 40 from Sept. all the way until Opening day of the following season. Once the playoffs start, teams select players from their 40 man roster(ones that are eligible) and create a playoff roster.

In OOTP, rosters expand to 40 starting Sept. 1st, but then chop back down to 25 once the playoffs start, which is forcing teams to unnecessarily waive players in order to get down to the 25 man playoff roster limit.

So in summary, the Big league roster should be 40 from Sept. 1st-Opening day of the following season. The playoff roster should be a 25 man roster, but a seperate entity from the 40 man roster.

The 40 man roster should carry over through spring training until opening day and any player who is a part of a 40 man roster but does not make a teams 25 man roster to start a season should use up an option year. If said player does not have any more options remaining, the player then has to be exposed to waivers in order to be sent to the minor leagues.

JT

This is already logged as TT#1390. I think you are going to have to hope for this one to make it into 2008.

battists · 03-22-2007, 09:08 PM

jt, so we have #2 of yours logged twice. Could you please post the 1st one in a separate thread?

One bug per thread, pretty please!

CobaltJays · 03-22-2007, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomamon

However, are you certain about the rule for number 1? I don't think your correct, but I could be wrong. I don't think that out of Sprint Training, it counts as an option if sent back to AAA and never started the season on the major league roster.

Players optioned in spring training do use an option.

I was under the impression that this had been fixed prior to release, and that players out of options during spring training had to be placed on waivers. I haven't had a chance to check it out myself yet. If it still isn't fixed, it's very disappointing and should be addressed in the first patch. It's inexcusable for this bug to still be around after two years.

disposableheros · 03-23-2007, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by battists

jt, so we have #2 of yours logged twice. Could you please post the 1st one in a separate thread?

One bug per thread, pretty please!

both of these issues have been in TT since early on in beta

03-22-2007, 07:31 PM	#1
JTSMOOTH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 462	1390 - 40 Man Roster/Options I've been posting these bugs/innacurate rules for a few years now, so I'm sure they are well known...Just figured I'd get them officially logged in 2007 as well. One of these days I hope to get these issues fixed.... Issue/Bug #1- Game does not properly handle minor league options. As the title states, the game does not properly handle minor league options for players at the minor league level.......Here is a comparison of how things work in the MLB and OOTP. Lets take player A and player B Both Player A and Player B are drafted in the 2000 season. After 3 solid years at the minor league level, both player A and Player B are added to the 40 man roster to avoid being drafted in the Rule V draft.(Not sure if OOTP2007 has incorporated the new changes in the CBA signed last year, so I'll just assume for now its still using 3 years for those who were 19 and older when they first signed a pro contract) So the following spring rolls around, both Player A and Player B do not make the big league club and are optioned back to the minor leagues during spring training. They repeat this same process for the following 2 seasons, so they are now left with no options remaining. So here is where OOTP and the MLB rules differ, one IMHO takes away a huge amount of strategy.... The following spring, both Player A and Player B are out of options. Under the MLB rules, Player A and Player B both players are required to make the teams 25 man Big League roster, if they do not, the team must first expose the player to irrevocable waivers before being able to send the player to the minor leagues once again. In OOTP, as long as Player A and Player B are sitting on a 40 man roster, they can sit at the minor leagues for as long as the team wishes, despite being out of options. Issue/Bug #2 This one sort of ties in with the other one, only it has to do with the 40 man roster and playoff rosters. In the MLB, rosters expand from 25 to 40 from Sept. all the way until Opening day of the following season. Once the playoffs start, teams select players from their 40 man roster(ones that are eligible) and create a playoff roster. In OOTP, rosters expand to 40 starting Sept. 1st, but then chop back down to 25 once the playoffs start, which is forcing teams to unnecessarily waive players in order to get down to the 25 man playoff roster limit. So in summary, the Big league roster should be 40 from Sept. 1st-Opening day of the following season. The playoff roster should be a 25 man roster, but a seperate entity from the 40 man roster. The 40 man roster should carry over through spring training until opening day and any player who is a part of a 40 man roster but does not make a teams 25 man roster to start a season should use up an option year. If said player does not have any more options remaining, the player then has to be exposed to waivers in order to be sent to the minor leagues. JT

03-22-2007, 08:06 PM	#2
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	I have logged Bug #2 as TT 2978. However, are you certain about the rule for number 1? I don't think your correct, but I could be wrong. I don't think that out of Sprint Training, it counts as an option if sent back to AAA and never started the season on the major league roster. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

03-22-2007, 09:08 PM	#4
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	jt, so we have #2 of yours logged twice. Could you please post the 1st one in a separate thread? One bug per thread, pretty please!