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Alternate Super Bowl History *Redux*
Back in 2003 I started a thread based on the premise that the teams that lost in each year's League/Conference Championship actually went to the Super Bowl.
Condensing and updating that material here for the end of the 2006 Season. ------------------------------------------------ For imagination's sake: What would have been had the teams that lost in the Conference Championships actually won? No Packers dynasty? Dallas, San Fran, Oakland and the Rams emerge as the great dynasties. The Browns dynasty of the '80s? Jay Schroeder as a Super Bowl trivia answer? 1966: Dallas v. Buffalo -- Dandy Don Meredith against Jack Kemp and the Bills. 1967: Dallas v. Houston -- An "All-Texas" Superbowl, perhaps Meredith and Co. become the first Super Bowl Dynasty... 1968: Cleveland v. Oakland -- No Jets upset! The Browns go up against the Mad Bomber, Daryle Lamonica. 1969: Cleveland v. Oakland -- Round II... 1970: San Francisco v. Oakland -- "Bay Bowl I" features John Brodie versus the Three-Peat possibility in Oakland, their rivals across the bay. 1971: San Francisco v. Baltimore -- Does Unitas get his ring a year later than reality? Does Brodie win two in a row? Is a Niners Dynasty born a decade before they really became one? 1972: Dallas v. Pittsburgh -- Three years before these famous rivals really met we might have seen Staubach and Bradshaw go head-to-head. Miami heads home just shy of perfection. 1973: Dallas v. Oakland -- What a dynasty the Cowboys might have been? How about Oakland for that matter? 4 trips to the Super Bowl in 7 seasons. 1974: LA Rams v. Oakland -- With a twist of history could the LA Rams have become the 'Team of the '70s'? 1975: LA Rams v. Oakland -- Round II...And we have a second run of 3-consecutive Super Bowls for Oakland. Amazing!!! 1976: LA Rams v. Pittsburgh -- Like the Raiders, the Rams could have been in position to grab three straight titles. Even so, just making three consecutive appearances is something! 1977: Minnesota v. Oakland -- Fran Tarkenton makes his first appearance against the AFC's perennial represenative a year later than in reality. Would the result have been any different? 1978: LA Rams v. Houston -- The Rams are back...again, but this time its the punishing ground game of Earl Campbell they must contend with. 1979: Tampa Bay v. Houston -- 'Clockwork Orange' versus 'Love Ya' Blue' is the ultimate in 'colorful' Super Bowls. It is sure to be a hard-hitting one as Campbell and Selmon come face to face. 1980: Dallas v. San Diego -- The Boys get back after a 7 year absence, as Danny White leads them over the hump. 'Air Coryell' actually gets a shot at the Lombardi Trophy. 1981: Dallas v. San Diego -- A classic rematch of White/Dorsett versus Fouts/Winslow/Joiner/Chandler. 1982: Dallas v. New York Jets -- Danny White might have cemented his place among the greats, have fulfilled his promise in the line of great Cowboy QBs. Dallas joins the Raiders and Rams as "Three Peat" possibilities. Oh, and Bama's Richard Todd might actually have followed Namath's footsteps... 1983: San Francisco v. Seattle -- West Coast v Ground Chuck. Joe Montana leads the cutting edge passing attack against the greatest Cinderella team in (our alternate) Super Bowl history. Could Krieg, Largent and Warner have pulled off the upset? 1984: Chicago v. Pittsburgh -- A classic ugly game as the defense oriented Bears and the last legs of the old Steel Curtain clash. Mobile QB's McMahon and Malone battle for the top prize... 1985: LA Rams v Miami -- Dan Marino and the potent Miami offense take on the Cinderella Rams who have upset the mighty Bears. CFL legend Dieter Brock on sports' biggest stage?!? Wow. 1986: Washington v. Cleveland -- The Browns are the first team to represent both the NFL and the AFC in the Super Bowl. Bernie Kosar prepares to duel with surprising Jay Schroeder. Could this herald the start of a late-'80s Browns dynasty? 1987: Minnesota v. Cleveland -- Darrin Nelson catches Wade Wilson's last gasp pass at the goal line and the Vikings go to the Super Bowl. They meet Marty Schottenheimer's emerging dynasty. Could the Browns have been the 'Team of the '80s'? 1988: Chicago v. Buffalo -- The Monsters get back after 4 years while Jim Kelly drives the fueding Bills in a few years ahead of schedule. 1989: LA Rams v. Browns -- the 'Team of the '70s' versus the 'Team of the late '80s'. Young Jim Everett looks to cement what appears to be a promising legacy. Bernie Kosar reaches for legend status. 1990: San Francisco v. Los Angeles -- The second 'Bay Bowl' as the Niners survive the powerful Giants and follow backup Steve Young (subbing for injured Montana) in a matchup against Jay Schroeder, the first QB to lead two different teams into the Super Bowl. 1991: Detroit v. Denver -- Barry Sanders and the surprising Erik Kramer lead the Lions into the big dance while John Elway makes his first appearance and only the third appearance by a Class of '83 alum. 1992: San Francisco v. Miami -- Young takes the Niners to the dance on his own against Marino making his second Super Bowl appearance. 1993: San Francisco v. Kansas City -- Montana (or Dave Krieg, who may have had to engineer the AFC Championship Game victory if Montana was hurt, as he was regularly in 1993) leads the Chiefs to their first ever appearance against a surging Young and the rising 49ers dynasty of the 1990s! 1994: Dallas v. Pittsburgh -- A year ahead of schedule. 1995: Green Bay v. Indianapolis -- The Packers finally make the dance, while the Cinderella Colts and "Captain Comeback" look for the upset. 1996: Caronlina v. Jacksonville -- The Expansion Bowl! 1997: San Francisco v. Pittsburgh -- How about that Niners Dynasty? 1998: Minnesota v. New York -- The high octane Vikings are heavy favorites against the tough, Parcells led, Jets. 1999: Tampa Bay v. Jacksonville -- Great Buc defense is featured in the first All-Florida Bowl. Two bowls in four years for the young Jags is most impressive. 2000: Minnesota v. Oakland -- the Raiders get back 10 years after their last appearance. 2001: Philadelphia v. Pittsburgh -- The Keystone Bowl. 2002: Philadelphia v. Tennessee: The high-flying Eagles go for two in a row while the Titans make that franchise's first appearance in the Super Bowl since 1979, when they were the Oilers. 2003: Philadelphia v. Indianapolis: The high-octane Colts would square off against an Eagles team that might be joining the ranks of 'three-peat' NFL champions. Could the Eagles have pulled it off? 2004: Atlanta v. Pittsburgh: The Falcons make their first Super Bowl appearance (as opposed to 1998 reality) and go up against the Steelers who were in the big game not all that long ago (2001 in alternate reality). Maybe the Steelers make it four straight Lombardi Trophies for the state of Pennsylvania? 2005: Carolina v. Denver: The Panthers make appearance #2 in their short history (went behind Kerry Collins in 1996) while Denver, a much older franchise, also makes only its second appearance (went in 1991 against the Detroit Lions). What would have been the outcome of a battle between the two Jakes? 2006: New Orleans v. New England: It is the 'All New' Super Bowl as both teams make their first appearance in this alternate reality. New Orleans looks to put the perfect ending on a story-book season. ------------------------------------- EPHEMERA: I wonder, could it have been the Landry Trophy? Maybe the Collier Trophy? More fittingly the Madden or Knox Trophy? Chuck Knox the first man - possibly - to lead two different teams, from different leagues, to Super Bowl victories (the L.A. Rams of the 1970s, the '83 Seahawks). Class of '83 guys in the Super Bowl. Kelly once. Marino twice. Elway once. James Harris of the L.A. Rams is the first black QB to start a Super Bowl, doing so for the 1974 L.A. Rams (some 13 years before Doug Williams really did it for the 1987 Redskins). Williams, himself, could actually have been starting a Super Bowl only 5 years later with the 1979 Bucs. Some Super Bowl QBs you'd never expect: Pat Haden Dan Pastorini Deiter Brock -- CFL legend status excepted Dave Krieg (maybe twice) Mark Malone Jay Schroeder (remember, first guy to take two different teams to the Super Bowl) Wade Wilson Erik Kramer Mike Tomczak (potentially, for the '88 Bears) Shaun King ----------------------------------- The official run-down of "alternate reality" appearances 1966-2005: NFC EAST Washington - 1 (1986) Dallas - 8 (66-67, 72-73, 80-82, 94) Philadelphia - 3 (01-03) New York - NA NFC NORTH Green Bay - 1 (1995) Chicago - 2 (1984, 1988) Detroit - 1 (1991) Minnesota - 4 (1977, 1987, 1998, 2000) NFC SOUTH Tampa Bay - 2 (1979, 1999) Atlanta - 1 (2004) Carolina - 2 (1996, 2005) New Orleans - 1 (2006) NFC WEST Arizona - NA St. Louis - 6 (74-76, 78, 85, 89) (All as Los Angeles Rams) Seattle - 1 (1983) San Fran - 7 (1970-71, 1983, 90, 92-93, 1997) AFC EAST Miami - 2 (1985, 1992) New England - 1 (2006) NY Jets - 2 (1982, 1998) Buffalo - 2 (1966, 1988) AFC NORTH Pittsburgh - 7 (1972, 1976, 1984, 94, 97, 01, 04) Cleveland - 5 (68-69, 86-87, 89)** Cincinnati - NA Baltimore - NA (**5 as the original Browns franchise) AFC SOUTH Indianapolis - 3 (1971, 1995, 2003) Tennessee - 4 (1967, 1978-79, 2002) (3 times as Houston Oilers) Jacksonville - 2 (1996, 1999) Houston2 - NA AFC WEST Denver - 2 (1991, 2005) San Diego - 2 (1980-81) Kansas City - 1 (1993) Oakland - 9 (68-70, 73-75, 77, 90, 2000) (1x as LA Raiders) -----------------------------------------
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Super Bowl I
Super Bowl I Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum BUFFALO BILLS 9-4-1 HC: Joe Collier 358 Points 255 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Jack Kemp, RB Bobby Burnett, LB Mike Stratton DALLAS COWBOYS 10-3-1 HC: Tom Landry 445 Points 239 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Don Meredith, RBs Don Perkins and Dan Reeves, WR Bob Hayes, DL Bob Lilly, LB Chuck Howley WhatIf.com Says: Dallas: 14 Buffalo: 7 MVP: Don Meredith (9-19-159, 2/0) Quote:
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Super Bowl II
Super Bowl II The Orange Bowl HOUSTON OILERS 9-4-1 HC: Wally Lemm 258 Points 199 Allowed Stars of Note: RB Hoyle Granger, QB Pete Beathard, DBs Miller Farr and Jim Norton DALLAS COWBOYS 9-5-0 HC: Tom Landry 342 Points 268 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Don Meredith, RBs Don Perkins and Dan Reeves, WR Bob Hayes, DL Bob Lilly, LBs Chuck Howley and Lee Roy Jordan, DB Mel Renfro WhatIf.com Says: Dallas: 10 Houston: 0 MVP: WR Lance Rentzel (5 rec, 79 yds, 1 TD) Quote:
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Super Bowl III
Super Bowl III The Orange Bowl OAKLAND RAIDERS 12-2 HC: John Rauch 453 Points 233 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Daryle Lamonica, WR Fred Biletnikoff, DB Willie Brown, DL Ben Davidson, OL Jim Otto CLEVELAND BROWNS 10-4 HC: Blanton Collier 394 Points 273 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Bill Nelsen, RB Leroy Kelly, WR Paul Warfield, DB Erich Barnes, OL Gene Hickerson WhatIf.com Says: Cleveland: 31 Oakland: 20 MVP: QB Bill Nelsen (17-26-242, 3/0) Quote:
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Super Bowl IV
Super Bowl IV Tulane Stadium OAKLAND RAIDERS 12-1-1 HC: John Madden 377 Points 242 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Daryle Lamonica, WR Fred Biletnikoff, WR Warren Wells, DBs Willie Brown and Dave Grayson, OL Jim Otto CLEVELAND BROWNS 10-3-1 HC: Blanton Collier 351 Points 300 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Bill Nelsen, RB Leroy Kelly, WR Paul Warfield, DL Walter Johnson WhatIf.com Says: Cleveland: 31 Oakland: 21 MVP: RB Leroy Kelly (20 rushes, 58 yards, 2 TD) Quote:
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Great work Professor!!
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Super Bowl V
Super Bowl V The Orange Bowl OAKLAND RAIDERS 8-4-2 HC: John Madden 300 Points 292 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Daryle Lamonica, WR Fred Biletnikoff, WR Warren Wells, DB Willie Brown, TE Ray Chester SAN FRANCISCO 49ers 10-3-1 HC: Dick Nolan 352 Points 267 Allowed Stars of Note: QB John Brodie, WR Gene Washington, LB Dave Wilcox, DB Jimmy Johnson WhatIf.com Says: San Francisco: 24 Oakland: 21 MVP: RB Ken Willard (20 rushes, 158 yards, 1 TD) Quote:
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I'm getting the impression that this work has an anti-Raider bias!!
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Good stuff, it's totally unrealistic though if the Eagles don't lose all 3 SB's.
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Super Bowl VI
Super Bowl VI Tulane Stadium BALTIMORE COLTS 10-4-0 HC: Don McCafferty 313 Points 140 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Earl Morrall, LBs Mike Curtis and Ted Hendricks, DL Bubba Smith SAN FRANCISCO 49ers 9-5 HC: Dick Nolan 300 Points 216 Allowed Stars of Note: QB John Brodie, WR Gene Washington, RBs Ken Willard and Vic Washington, LB Dave Wilcox, DB Jimmy Johnson WhatIf.com Says: San Francisco: 19 Baltimore: 14 MVP: DL Charlie Krueger (4 tackles, 3 sacks) Quote:
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Super Bowl VII
Super Bowl VII Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum PITTSBURGH STEELERS 11-3 HC: Chuck Noll 343 Points 175 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Terry Bradshaw, RB Franco Harris, DLs Joe Greene, Dwight White, LB Jack Ham, DB Mel Blount DALLAS COWBOYS 10-4 HC: Tom Landry 319 Points 240 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Craig Morton, RBs Calvin Hill and Walt Garrison, DL Bob Lilly, DB Mel Renfro WhatIf.com Says: Pittsburgh: 26 Dallas: 3 MVP: LB Jack Ham (3 tackles, 1 sack, 2 INT) Quote:
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Super Bowl VIII
Super Bowl VIII Rice Stadium OAKLAND RAIDERS 9-4-1 HC: John Madden 292 Points 175 Allowed Stars of Note: WR Fred Biletnikoff, DBs Willie Brown and Jack Tatum, QB Ken Stabler, OLs Art Shell and Gene Upshaw DALLAS COWBOYS 10-4 HC: Tom Landry 382 Points 203 Allowed Stars of Note: QB Roger Staubach, RBs Calvin Hill, DL Bob Lilly, LB Lee Roy Jordan, DB Mel Renfro WhatIf.com Says: Oakland: 15 Dallas: 6 MVP: QB Ken Stabler (13-18-245, 1/1) Quote:
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This is great, Professor. I'm actually running an alternate NFL history thingy aswell using whatifsports. I'm currently at the midpoint of the 1983 season. Just click on the link in my signature if you'd like to check it out.
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This thread is awesome.
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Just to note, I've got every Super Bowl through XXII completed and will post recaps periodically.
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This is actually a great idea.
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Super Bowl IX
Super Bowl IX Tulane Stadium OAKLAND RAIDERS 12-2 HC: John Madden 355 Points 228 Allowed Stars of Note: WRs Fred Biletnikoff and Cliff Branch, DB Jack Tatum, QB Ken Stabler, OLs Art Shell and Gene Upshaw LOS ANGELES RAMS 10-4 HC: Chuck Knox 263 Points 181 Allowed Stars of Note: QB James Harris, OL Tom Mack, RB Lawrence McCutcheon, DLs Merlin Olsen, Fred Dryer and Jack Youngblood, LB Jack Reynolds WhatIf.com Says: Los Angeles: 31 Oakland: 9 MVP: RB Lawrence McCutcheon (20 runs, 184 yards) Quote:
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Super Bowl X
Super Bowl X The Orange Bowl OAKLAND RAIDERS 11-3 HC: John Madden 375 Points 255 Allowed Stars of Note: WRs Fred Biletnikoff and Cliff Branch, DB Jack Tatum, QB Ken Stabler, LB Ted Hendricks LOS ANGELES RAMS 12-2 HC: Chuck Knox 312 Points 135 Allowed Stars of Note: QB James Harris, RB Lawrence McCutcheon, DLs Merlin Olsen and Jack Youngblood, LBs Isiah Robertson and Jack Reynolds WhatIf.com Says: Oakland: 13 Los Angeles: 10 MVP: RB Lawrence McCutcheon (17 runs, 110 yards, 1 TD) Quote:
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