HoF or Not: Curt Schilling

Y0DA55 · 01-29-2007, 03:13 PM

So in the end, will Curt Schilling end up in the Hall of Fame?

He recently announced that he will play through the 2008 season. After posting a 15-7, 3.98 line last year, his overall numbers are creeping up there. He also has the whole bloody sock thing and was an ace on two World Series teams.

What do you think?

The Funk · 01-29-2007, 04:09 PM

Career stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml

Dagrims · 01-29-2007, 04:21 PM

A very good case could be made for him. If he goes in, Kevin Brown should as well, although I think Schilling has slightly stronger stats.

I'd vote him in, but the question is "will he get in"? I say yes. If the writers won't do it, the Veterans Committee (if there is one 20+ years from now) will.

Luis_Rivera · 01-29-2007, 04:32 PM

Schilling, Brown and Moose are 3 contemporary guys who have remarkably similar cases. I'd definitely put Schill and Moose in - and I could probably be convinced either way on Brown if we're talking about my own personal standard.

Schilling and Moose are just about the same career value wise, while Schill has a higher peak. Moose has been incredibly consistent with not quite as high a peak, while Brown's seasons aren't quite as top heavy as Schill, but not quite as consistent as Moose and a little lower overall career value wise.

I'd probably put all 3 in.

edit: There's really no way I wouldn't vote Brown in now that I think about it.

CMH · 01-29-2007, 04:45 PM

Schilling and Mussina definitely. Brown I think would have a harder time, but after looking over his numbers I'd consider him a HOF snub every year he didn't get in.

marc · 01-29-2007, 05:21 PM

Brown's gonna be one of those mythical non-first ballot hall of famers. His stats are going to significantly improve after he retires to the point where he's HOF worthy.

marc · 01-29-2007, 05:21 PM

Dola,

I voted yes on Schilling.

The Funk · 01-29-2007, 05:41 PM

I'm in two minds but I'm leaning towards no. Great pitcher, but just not quite dominant enough to make my hall. To me he just doesn't seem like one of the truly defining pitchers of the last 20 years like say Maddox, Clemens, Johnson.

To me he's in the Mussina, Brown bracket who were great guys for a long time, but aren't quite truly worthy of baseball immortality.

Then again I haven't lived with his career, so I'm sure many feel differently.

Recte44 · 01-29-2007, 06:07 PM

If Schilling gets in then Jack Morris has to get in.

PotatoPeeler · 01-29-2007, 07:00 PM

I don't think any borderline pitchers (like Schilling) should get in until the writers pull their heads out and vote Blyleven in already.

mikev · 01-29-2007, 07:05 PM

Gosh, I dunno, will ESPN let him *not* get voted in, Bloody Sock and Boston World Series and all?

Luis_Rivera · 01-29-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Recte44

If Schilling gets in then Jack Morris has to get in.

Morris gets in then Dave Stieb has to get in.

Prodigal Son · 01-29-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Morris gets in then Dave Stieb has to get in.

Stieb gets in then Cal Eldred has to get in.

:shifty:

CMH · 01-29-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

I don't think any borderline pitchers (like Schilling) should get in until the writers pull their heads out and vote Blyleven in already.

True enough.

Jason Moyer · 01-29-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Stieb gets in then Cal Eldred has to get in.

How do you figure? Stieb is probably the best retired pitcher aside from Blyleven who isn't in the hall yet. About as underrated as Jack Morris is overrated. And, FWIW, Curt Schilling has been better than either of them.

swampdragon · 01-29-2007, 11:36 PM

He better have another good year or two, or he won't make it, bloody sock or not. His totals aren't that terrific, and he's had too many lost seasons where he was hurt or just not very good.

Recte44 · 01-29-2007, 11:47 PM

Cal Eldred gets in then both Jeff D'Amico's and Greg Harris' have to get it.

jbergey22 · 01-30-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Moyer

How do you figure? Stieb is probably the best retired pitcher aside from Blyleven who isn't in the hall yet. About as underrated as Jack Morris is overrated. And, FWIW, Curt Schilling has been better than either of them.

Did you watch game 7 of the 91 World Series? Didnt think so

DiMaggio5CF · 01-30-2007, 01:29 AM

Not close to 300 wins + ERA 3.50-ish + 0 Cy Youngs = No HOF

He had some really great years, but he had some very average years too.

He only posted HOF-worthy numbers in 4 seasons. That's not enough to get you in. The time that he was legitimately great was very, very short, and even in that period, he wasn't far and away the best pitcher in the game like a Koufax or a Pedro.

No HOF for Schilling.

PotatoPeeler · 01-30-2007, 04:53 AM

Well said.

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01-29-2007, 03:13 PM	#1
Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	HoF or Not: Curt Schilling So in the end, will Curt Schilling end up in the Hall of Fame? He recently announced that he will play through the 2008 season. After posting a 15-7, 3.98 line last year, his overall numbers are creeping up there. He also has the whole bloody sock thing and was an ace on two World Series teams. What do you think? __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try!

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The Funk All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Watford Posts: 903	Career stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml __________________ Talkin' 'bout the issues but keepin' it funky!

01-29-2007, 04:21 PM	#3
Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	A very good case could be made for him. If he goes in, Kevin Brown should as well, although I think Schilling has slightly stronger stats. I'd vote him in, but the question is "will he get in"? I say yes. If the writers won't do it, the Veterans Committee (if there is one 20+ years from now) will. __________________ "Read books, get brain."

01-29-2007, 04:32 PM	#4
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	Schilling, Brown and Moose are 3 contemporary guys who have remarkably similar cases. I'd definitely put Schill and Moose in - and I could probably be convinced either way on Brown if we're talking about my own personal standard. Schilling and Moose are just about the same career value wise, while Schill has a higher peak. Moose has been incredibly consistent with not quite as high a peak, while Brown's seasons aren't quite as top heavy as Schill, but not quite as consistent as Moose and a little lower overall career value wise. I'd probably put all 3 in. edit: There's really no way I wouldn't vote Brown in now that I think about it. Last edited by Luis_Rivera; 01-29-2007 at 04:33 PM.

01-29-2007, 04:45 PM	#5
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Schilling and Mussina definitely. Brown I think would have a harder time, but after looking over his numbers I'd consider him a HOF snub every year he didn't get in.

01-29-2007, 05:21 PM	#6
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Brown's gonna be one of those mythical non-first ballot hall of famers. His stats are going to significantly improve after he retires to the point where he's HOF worthy. __________________

01-29-2007, 05:21 PM	#7
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Dola, I voted yes on Schilling. __________________

01-29-2007, 05:41 PM	#8
The Funk All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Watford Posts: 903	I'm in two minds but I'm leaning towards no. Great pitcher, but just not quite dominant enough to make my hall. To me he just doesn't seem like one of the truly defining pitchers of the last 20 years like say Maddox, Clemens, Johnson. To me he's in the Mussina, Brown bracket who were great guys for a long time, but aren't quite truly worthy of baseball immortality. Then again I haven't lived with his career, so I'm sure many feel differently. __________________ Talkin' 'bout the issues but keepin' it funky!

01-29-2007, 06:07 PM	#9
Recte44 Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oconomowoc, WI Posts: 2,803	If Schilling gets in then Jack Morris has to get in. __________________ Matt Rectenwald Commissioner, GM: Las Vegas Hustlers, The Brewster Baseball Association- fictional league (JOIN NOW)

01-29-2007, 07:00 PM	#10
PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	I don't think any borderline pitchers (like Schilling) should get in until the writers pull their heads out and vote Blyleven in already. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.

01-29-2007, 07:05 PM	#11
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	Gosh, I dunno, will ESPN let him not get voted in, Bloody Sock and Boston World Series and all? __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

01-29-2007, 11:36 PM	#16
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	He better have another good year or two, or he won't make it, bloody sock or not. His totals aren't that terrific, and he's had too many lost seasons where he was hurt or just not very good. __________________ “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies." -- C.S. Lewis

01-29-2007, 11:47 PM	#17
Recte44 Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oconomowoc, WI Posts: 2,803	Cal Eldred gets in then both Jeff D'Amico's and Greg Harris' have to get it. __________________ Matt Rectenwald Commissioner, GM: Las Vegas Hustlers, The Brewster Baseball Association- fictional league (JOIN NOW)

01-30-2007, 01:29 AM	#19
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	Not close to 300 wins + ERA 3.50-ish + 0 Cy Youngs = No HOF He had some really great years, but he had some very average years too. He only posted HOF-worthy numbers in 4 seasons. That's not enough to get you in. The time that he was legitimately great was very, very short, and even in that period, he wasn't far and away the best pitcher in the game like a Koufax or a Pedro. No HOF for Schilling.

01-30-2007, 04:53 AM	#20
PotatoPeeler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rapid City, SD Posts: 3,639	Well said. __________________ 培傑西 I have never taken a lesson on how to talk on TV in my life. - Tim McCarver Guns have only two enemies; rust and liberals. The world is a comedy to those that think; a tragedy to those that feel.