Bunting problem

akw4572 · 08-20-2006, 10:54 PM

Just sacrificed with a man on 2nd base only. The fielder threw to 3rd, the runner was out (should have required a tag), and they doubled up the bunter. Not sure if this should EVER occur.

koohead · 08-20-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by akw4572

Just sacrificed with a man on 2nd base only. The fielder threw to 3rd, the runner was out (should have required a tag), and they doubled up the bunter. Not sure if this should EVER occur.

maybe its more of a pbp bug? as in the pbp just didn't specify the tag. I can see it happening with a really slow running pitcher. For instance, take David Wells...he bunts, Doug Mirabelli lumbers towards 3rd, Maddux hops off the mound and throws to 3rd, where Mirabelli is tagged out and the throw over to first gets Wells.

possibly?

akw4572 · 08-20-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by koohead

maybe its more of a pbp bug? as in the pbp just didn't specify the tag. I can see it happening with a really slow running pitcher. For instance, take David Wells...he bunts, Doug Mirabelli lumbers towards 3rd, Maddux hops off the mound and throws to 3rd, where Mirabelli is tagged out and the throw over to first gets Wells.

possibly?

Yes, it could possibly happen.........but would it ever really? Funny you should say a catcher is running to 3b, that is exactly what happened to me, but it would take him longer to get to 3b, I would think. First time I've seen it, and I hope it is very, very, very rare.

koohead · 08-20-2006, 11:24 PM

Well, the fact that the AI chose to sacrifice with a runner in scoring position is weird enough. I hope that in itself is a rare occurance. Only time I can see that happening is with an American League pitcher up in the World Series with 0 outs and down by 1 run in say the 5th inning...too early to take him out, but close enough game that you don't want to waste an out.

Man, I think about this stuff too much.

M's rule · 08-21-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by koohead

Well, the fact that the AI chose to sacrifice with a runner in scoring position is weird enough. I hope that in itself is a rare occurance. Only time I can see that happening is with an American League pitcher up in the World Series with 0 outs and down by 1 run in say the 5th inning...too early to take him out, but close enough game that you don't want to waste an out.

Man, I think about this stuff too much.

What I get is that akw called for the sacrifice, not the AI.

Either way, this is a weird play, and I'd like to get some PbP specifics if I can. akw or anyone else, if you can replicate this play sequence, please jot down the exact PbP display and post it here. Also throw in the relevant text from the game log.

Questdog · 08-21-2006, 10:49 PM

I'm tired of seeing pitchers sacrifice with runners on third base (only). The player on third just stands on the bag and laughs at the pitcher.....please, either let 'em swing away or try the squeeze....

akw4572 · 08-22-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Questdog

I'm tired of seeing pitchers sacrifice with runners on third base (only). The player on third just stands on the bag and laughs at the pitcher.....please, either let 'em swing away or try the squeeze....

The runner was on 2nd, in a tie game with no outs in the sixth inning.

Markus Heinsohn · 08-23-2006, 04:35 AM

fixed!

M's rule · 08-23-2006, 11:55 PM

Thanks, Markus! Your response time on these little fixes is marvelous.

Comedian2004 · 08-24-2006, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by akw4572

The runner was on 2nd, in a tie game with no outs in the sixth inning.

I actually see nothing wrong with why he bunted.

Tie game, no one out. Runner on 2nd. If the pitcher is a really good bunter, you will have a runner on third with zero outs and your 1st and 2nd hitter coming to the plate and you only need a fly ball to get that run in.

Charlie Hough · 08-24-2006, 03:33 AM

Here is why you bunt in that situation. If you move the runner over, then he scores on a sacrifice fly or a ground ball in some cases. It might even force the opposing manager to bring the infield in, and that can increase the chances of a ground ball or line drive getting through for a base hit.

I have used this strategy many times when I have weaker hitters coming up that can't be trusted to get a base hit or avoid hitting a ground ball to third base or otherwise avoid stranding the runner. Manufacturing runs is a lost art in baseball.

08-20-2006, 10:54 PM	#1
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	Bunting problem Just sacrificed with a man on 2nd base only. The fielder threw to 3rd, the runner was out (should have required a tag), and they doubled up the bunter. Not sure if this should EVER occur.

08-20-2006, 11:24 PM	#4
koohead Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 3,233	Sac with runner on 2nd Well, the fact that the AI chose to sacrifice with a runner in scoring position is weird enough. I hope that in itself is a rare occurance. Only time I can see that happening is with an American League pitcher up in the World Series with 0 outs and down by 1 run in say the 5th inning...too early to take him out, but close enough game that you don't want to waste an out. Man, I think about this stuff too much. __________________ GM - New Jersey Bears of the NPBL;

08-24-2006, 03:33 AM	#11
Charlie Hough Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,644	Here is why you bunt in that situation. If you move the runner over, then he scores on a sacrifice fly or a ground ball in some cases. It might even force the opposing manager to bring the infield in, and that can increase the chances of a ground ball or line drive getting through for a base hit. I have used this strategy many times when I have weaker hitters coming up that can't be trusted to get a base hit or avoid hitting a ground ball to third base or otherwise avoid stranding the runner. Manufacturing runs is a lost art in baseball. Last edited by Charlie Hough; 08-24-2006 at 03:40 AM.

08-21-2006, 10:49 PM	#6
Questdog Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: In a dark, damp cave where I'm training slugs to run the bases...... Posts: 16,142	I'm tired of seeing pitchers sacrifice with runners on third base (only). The player on third just stands on the bag and laughs at the pitcher.....please, either let 'em swing away or try the squeeze....

08-23-2006, 04:35 AM	#8
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,803	fixed!

08-23-2006, 11:55 PM	#9
M's rule All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 925	Thanks, Markus! Your response time on these little fixes is marvelous.