Does Joel Guzman Make the HOF?

joshuaaaaaa · 08-01-2002, 12:48 AM

Joel Guzman retired after the 2024 season of the New Challenge League, and is very close to HOF criteria, however not there in any one category. Based on the stats below, do you think he should make the Hall?

Code:

G:    2,218
AB:   8,237
H:    2,463
2B:     337
3B:      23
HR:     414
RBI:  1,386
R:    1,730
K:    1,964
BB:   1,447
SB:     908
CS:     201
AVG:   .299
OBP:   .404
SLG:   .496

Recte44 · 08-01-2002, 12:54 AM

What position did he play? How was his defense? Did his teams win any championships?

Stuff that should be included in HOF considerations in this game. I do that manually in my solo leagues.

joshuaaaaaa · 08-01-2002, 12:58 AM

Good points all. Joel was a SS, with excellent defense, although it declined to D/.945 by the time he retired at age 39.

He won the World Series with Baltimore in 2013 and 2014 and San Francisco in 2018.

He won 4 Batter of the Month awards and was a 3 time all-star.

I hope that helps.

doubles · 08-01-2002, 01:14 AM

I think he should.. Just because he wasn't a HOF in hits/HR doesn't mean he isn't one. And since you said he was good defensively it sealed my vote -- Case and point, Ozzie Smith (although I doubt he was THAT good..)

Jared

Dwolfson20 · 08-01-2002, 11:07 AM

A good defensive shortstop with 400 homers and a career 900 OPS? Plus he won some titles, seems like a pretty good HOFer to me.

joshuaaaaaa · 08-01-2002, 11:31 AM

If anyone has Rolen's rosters (I don't have them handy), they can confirm where he started defensively. I do know that he started his career with an A range. I don't remember his fielding percentage, though.

And don't forget those 900 stolen bases. My gut feeling is he gets in, and that's how the votes are going, however I'm going to leave the topic active for a while.

Dxgarnett · 08-01-2002, 03:47 PM

How come when I go to vote in a poll, it comes up with some page telling me I can't do this action, etc. etc. etc.

Ugh.

Chris

joshuaaaaaa · 08-01-2002, 04:32 PM

It might have something to do with whether you can accept cookies. I know I had to change my settings before I could respond to a poll on some other site.

smeyers003 · 08-01-2002, 07:02 PM

He didn't have a .300 average and he didn't have 500 hr's i say leave him out.

holyroller · 08-01-2002, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dwolfson20
A good defensive shortstop with 400 homers and a career 900 OPS? Plus he won some titles, seems like a pretty good HOFer to me.

Exactly. This is a no-brainer.

JimServo · 08-01-2002, 09:00 PM

This is the type of guy that would get 98% of the vote in a real HOF election. I mean, I .300 hitting SS, with 400 HR, and 900!!! Stolen Bases, come on!

shanev · 08-02-2002, 12:34 AM

I agree, he should definitely be in the hall.

Dxgarnett · 08-02-2002, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by joshuaaaaaa
It might have something to do with whether you can accept cookies. I know I had to change my settings before I could respond to a poll on some other site.

Thanks. I think you were right, b/c when I used AOL, it got the error; when I use explorer, it doesn't.

Chrissssssss

Frank7350 · 08-02-2002, 08:25 AM

I think he's a lock. Good defensive SS. A winner. An All-Star. Plus he hit .300 (almost), 400HRs,etc,etc, etc.

He's got my vote....If I had one.

fantom1979 · 08-02-2002, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smeyers003
He didn't have a .300 average and he didn't have 500 hr's i say leave him out.

You have to look at more thatn AVG and HR's. Those are just two aspects of many. SS are mainly defensive (until now with rodriguez, jeter, and co.) they are supposed to be good a defense first and hit second. A SS with 400 HR and a .299 avg with 908 sb (which i think is 3rd or 4th all time) is rare in the grand scheme of baseball history. I vote him IN.

bwd · 08-02-2002, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by smeyers003
He didn't have a .300 average and he didn't have 500 hr's i say leave him out.
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he hit .299!

Frank7350 · 08-02-2002, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by smeyers003
He didn't have a .300 average and he didn't have 500 hr's i say leave him out.
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Its amazing the blinders that some people put on, isn't it?

JimServo · 08-02-2002, 03:13 PM

I think what we have he is, in essence, a superman version of Barry Larkin (who probably is going into the real hall). He has hit .299 too, with 181 HR, and 362 SB as of 2001, and is good on defense...

joshuaaaaaa · 08-02-2002, 03:44 PM

The real Joel Guzman is currently playing for the Great Falls Dodgers and hitting .228/2/15 in 79 at-bats. 3 SB, 2 CS. SLG of .354 and OBP of .337. 10 errors so far. It will be interesting to see if he ever becomes anything like my fictional Joel Guzman.

The Great Falls Dodgers statistics page looks like it came right out of OOTP.

Diehard Cubs Fan · 08-03-2002, 03:01 AM

With out a doubt he is in. Thank you and good night, everyone drive home safely.

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08-01-2002, 12:48 AM	#1
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	Does Joel Guzman Make the HOF? Joel Guzman retired after the 2024 season of the New Challenge League, and is very close to HOF criteria, however not there in any one category. Based on the stats below, do you think he should make the Hall? Code: G: 2,218 AB: 8,237 H: 2,463 2B: 337 3B: 23 HR: 414 RBI: 1,386 R: 1,730 K: 1,964 BB: 1,447 SB: 908 CS: 201 AVG: .299 OBP: .404 SLG: .496 __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

08-01-2002, 12:54 AM	#2
Recte44 Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oconomowoc, WI Posts: 2,818	What position did he play? How was his defense? Did his teams win any championships? Stuff that should be included in HOF considerations in this game. I do that manually in my solo leagues. __________________ Matt Rectenwald Commissioner, GM: Las Vegas Hustlers, The Brewster Baseball Association- fictional league (JOIN NOW)

08-01-2002, 12:58 AM	#3
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	Good points all. Joel was a SS, with excellent defense, although it declined to D/.945 by the time he retired at age 39. He won the World Series with Baltimore in 2013 and 2014 and San Francisco in 2018. He won 4 Batter of the Month awards and was a 3 time all-star. I hope that helps. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

08-01-2002, 11:07 AM	#5
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	A good defensive shortstop with 400 homers and a career 900 OPS? Plus he won some titles, seems like a pretty good HOFer to me. __________________

08-01-2002, 01:14 AM	#4
doubles Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 485	I think he should.. Just because he wasn't a HOF in hits/HR doesn't mean he isn't one. And since you said he was good defensively it sealed my vote -- Case and point, Ozzie Smith (although I doubt he was THAT good..) Jared

08-01-2002, 11:31 AM	#6
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	If anyone has Rolen's rosters (I don't have them handy), they can confirm where he started defensively. I do know that he started his career with an A range. I don't remember his fielding percentage, though. And don't forget those 900 stolen bases. My gut feeling is he gets in, and that's how the votes are going, however I'm going to leave the topic active for a while. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

08-01-2002, 03:47 PM	#7
Dxgarnett All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 614	How come when I go to vote in a poll, it comes up with some page telling me I can't do this action, etc. etc. etc. Ugh. Chris __________________ Buckcheeks was here.

08-01-2002, 04:32 PM	#8
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	It might have something to do with whether you can accept cookies. I know I had to change my settings before I could respond to a poll on some other site. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

08-01-2002, 07:02 PM	#9
smeyers003 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 416	He didn't have a .300 average and he didn't have 500 hr's i say leave him out.

08-01-2002, 09:00 PM	#11
JimServo Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Near Philadelphia, PA Posts: 418	This is the type of guy that would get 98% of the vote in a real HOF election. I mean, I .300 hitting SS, with 400 HR, and 900!!! Stolen Bases, come on! __________________ "When I was a small boy in Kansas, a friend of mine and I went fishing and as we sat there in the warmth of the summer afternoon on a river bank, we talked about what we wanted to do when we grew up. I told him that I wanted to be a real major league baseball player, a genuine professional like Honus Wagner. My friend said that he'd like to be President of the United States. Neither of us got our wish." -Dwight D. Eisenhower

08-02-2002, 12:34 AM	#12
shanev Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 20	I agree, he should definitely be in the hall.

08-02-2002, 08:25 AM	#14
Frank7350 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Jersey Posts: 132	I think he's a lock. Good defensive SS. A winner. An All-Star. Plus he hit .300 (almost), 400HRs,etc,etc, etc. He's got my vote....If I had one.

08-02-2002, 02:07 PM	#16
bwd Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: N/A Posts: 82	quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by smeyers003 He didn't have a .300 average and he didn't have 500 hr's i say leave him out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- he hit .299!

08-02-2002, 03:06 PM	#17
Frank7350 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Jersey Posts: 132	quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by smeyers003 He didn't have a .300 average and he didn't have 500 hr's i say leave him out. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Its amazing the blinders that some people put on, isn't it?

08-02-2002, 03:13 PM	#18
JimServo Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Near Philadelphia, PA Posts: 418	I think what we have he is, in essence, a superman version of Barry Larkin (who probably is going into the real hall). He has hit .299 too, with 181 HR, and 362 SB as of 2001, and is good on defense... __________________ "When I was a small boy in Kansas, a friend of mine and I went fishing and as we sat there in the warmth of the summer afternoon on a river bank, we talked about what we wanted to do when we grew up. I told him that I wanted to be a real major league baseball player, a genuine professional like Honus Wagner. My friend said that he'd like to be President of the United States. Neither of us got our wish." -Dwight D. Eisenhower

08-02-2002, 03:44 PM	#19
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	The real Joel Guzman is currently playing for the Great Falls Dodgers and hitting .228/2/15 in 79 at-bats. 3 SB, 2 CS. SLG of .354 and OBP of .337. 10 errors so far. It will be interesting to see if he ever becomes anything like my fictional Joel Guzman. The Great Falls Dodgers statistics page looks like it came right out of OOTP. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

08-03-2002, 03:01 AM	#20
Diehard Cubs Fan Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6	With out a doubt he is in. Thank you and good night, everyone drive home safely. __________________ "If a tie is like kissing your sister, losing is like kissing your grandmother with her teeth out." George Brett "A losing season sucks" Neel Woodal