Forrest/Quartey

a87star · 08-06-2006, 01:05 AM

I usually am very open to hearing any decision anyone says. This time, Quartey clearly won the fight and if anyone else says otherwise.......well they saw something clearly different and clearly are biased.

Mad Bomber · 08-06-2006, 01:11 AM

I couldn't agree more, Quartey was pressing the fight throughout
and I had him winning 97-92, but this is not the first time
this has happened to Quartey, I also thought he won his
fight with De La Hoya several years ago.

Greg

a87star · 08-06-2006, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Bomber

I couldn't agree more, Quartey was pressing the fight throughout
and I had him winning 97-92, but this is not the first time
this has happened to Quartey, I also thought he won his
fight with De La Hoya several years ago.

Greg

I had it 97-92 for Quartey, also. Regardless of how many punches Forrest threw, most of them had no consequence whatsoever and Quartey was pushing the fight and being aggressive. I had the Quartey/DLH fight a one point win for Ike. When your home country's crowd chants BS at a decision for you.....it's cleary a screwjob.

Randyr · 08-06-2006, 01:20 AM

Scored it 96-93 for Quartey... I think it was clear enough who the winner was-- for all three judges to botch that one? Poor.

meade95 · 08-06-2006, 01:29 AM

I had it 96-93 Quartey as well - Bad Dec -

erickdamac · 08-06-2006, 04:16 AM

I had it 95-94 for Ike, The 97-92 score for forrest was beserk, but I can live with a Vernon decision, but imo overall he didnt win the fight, but after adding up my score scard that was my final score.

Sertorius · 08-06-2006, 11:15 AM

I also had it 95-94 for Quartey, but I thought there were a number of tough-to-score rounds. I wonder how we all would have scored it with the audio turned off, it's hard not to be influenced by the commentators pushing Quartey the whole time.

mh2365 · 08-06-2006, 09:57 PM

Ouma looked good though

Mad Bomber · 08-06-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sertorius

I also had it 95-94 for Quartey, but I thought there were a number of tough-to-score rounds. I wonder how we all would have scored it with the audio turned off, it's hard not to be influenced by the commentators pushing Quartey the whole time.

I never watch the HBO broadcasts with the volume on because
I have little use for Jim Lampley, and Mike you were right
Ouma looked very good.

Greg

Thunder · 08-06-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

I usually am very open to hearing any decision anyone says. This time, Quartey clearly won the fight and if anyone else says otherwise.......well they saw something clearly different and clearly are biased.

I don't totally agree and I had no horse in the race either. I think it was a one-point fight (I did have Quartey) and when it's that close, I've always said all bets are off as far as what a three-person sample is going to have to say.

franklin_1 · 08-07-2006, 12:22 AM

I had it 98-92 for Quartey and am shocked that anyone could see the fight in any other way. I also disagree that they were pushing Quartey because during the middle rounds both Lampley and Stewart were constantly bringing up the fact that Quartey was both tired and raising his head while punching, two negative qualities. I scored the first to Quartey, the fourth a 10-10, the fifth to Forrest all of which were different than Lederman and I still had an even greater advantage for Quartey than he. An absolutely embarrassment of a decision by all three refs in my opinion.

Cap · 08-07-2006, 12:37 AM

I had Ike ahead, and was amused by Steward's perplexed observation that despite having a point taken away, Forrest still won on all three cards.

Another Festivus Miracle!

Cap

erickdamac · 08-07-2006, 07:52 AM

Cap I think he was saying by this being a 10 round fight a point means everything but all three judges scored that round for forrest so it was a 9-9 round.

a87star · 08-07-2006, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

I don't totally agree and I had no horse in the race either. I think it was a one-point fight (I did have Quartey) and when it's that close, I've always said all bets are off as far as what a three-person sample is going to have to say.

Well I guess this time we will agree to disagree. Watched the fight again with the sound off and still thought Quartey won. Scored it 96-93.

lethal liberal · 08-07-2006, 05:52 PM

I had Quartey winning by 4 points(with the deduction). How anyone could have Forrest winning this fight is beyond comprehension. One judge had Quartey winning only 3 rounds! Imagine that! Good point about Ouma Mike. I have never been real big on Ouma and have thought that he was quite overrated,however,he really has impressed me of late. His workrate is second to none. 100+ punches per round every fight. Amazing. He isnt the big puncher that many thought he was early in his career,but his sheer volume of punches is going to make it a tough job for anyone he faces. I was sort of let down by the performance of Powell,I really thought he would beat Ouma. I dont understand why he didnt use his jab to slow down Ouma just a tad. He let Ouma walk him down and punish him without making him pay a price. Powell has a pretty good jab...he should have made Ouma eat a face full of jabs all night long. Is it me or did he look as if he had never seen a tape of Ouma? He was totally unprepared. Anyone who has watched Ouma knows what he is going to do..come ahead and throw 100+punches per round all night. Taking nothing from Ouma,he comes to fight and just overwhelmed Powell,but Powell just didnt look ready to me.

franklin_1 · 08-08-2006, 04:36 AM

Add me to the list of those disappointed by Powell's performance. It wasn't even so much that he didn't use his jab to try to keep Ouma at bay, but rather the thing that disappointed me the most was his facial expressions and his body language. You could tell as the fight wore on that he lost all confidence when he realized that his shots weren't doing anything to stop Ouma, so much so that by the end of the fight instead of taking maybe 4 punches for everyone he through back, he was taking more like 10-15 to set up one flurry. It just seemed like he wasn't prepared at all because he appeared to be genuinely shocked that Ouma would just keep coming at him. He also looked worried for a good portion of the second half of the fight, and IMO a top tier prospect just can't show those kinds of emotions if he wants to be taken seriously.

a87star · 08-08-2006, 01:46 PM

Ouma's style is very predictable but to solve it is another thing and I didn't think Sechew was ready for a fight like this. Powell was clearly fustrated by Ouma due to all the punches coming at different angles. I still think Sechew has a bright future but his handlers put him into the caldron too soon.

mh2365 · 08-08-2006, 02:46 PM

Powell was way too green. I had no doubts Ouma was going to win this fight.

Remembering Nebraska in the 80's ... everyone knew they were going to run the ball right down your throat but no one could stop it.

Powell had a game plan, but it has to be frustrating to get hit 47 times in the face before you even think of throwing your next punch. The Karmazan fight was a mirage ... Ouma wins easily in a rematch. Ouma had a 104 temp two days before that fight, his punch output was very low early in the fight.

Ouma can be beat, but just because you know what he is going to doesn't mean you can stop it

a87star · 08-08-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Powell had a game plan, but it has to be frustrating to get hit 47 times in the face before you even think of throwing your next punch. The Karmazan fight was a mirage ... Ouma wins easily in a rematch. Ouma had a 104 temp two days before that fight, his punch output was very low early in the fight.

Ouma can be beat, but just because you know what he is going to doesn't mean you can stop it

Powell's game plan was to use his jab and try to land the more cleaner and effective shots against Ouma. It was a good idea but when you land shots and the guy is taking the punches well and continues to come forward and throws 100+ punches a round, it can be discouraging. I think if Karmazin and Ouma had a rematch....Kassim would win a wide UD.

08-06-2006, 01:05 AM	#1
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	Forrest/Quartey I usually am very open to hearing any decision anyone says. This time, Quartey clearly won the fight and if anyone else says otherwise.......well they saw something clearly different and clearly are biased.

08-06-2006, 01:11 AM	#2
Mad Bomber All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,566	I couldn't agree more, Quartey was pressing the fight throughout and I had him winning 97-92, but this is not the first time this has happened to Quartey, I also thought he won his fight with De La Hoya several years ago. Greg __________________ Keep on Punchin' There are three things that go on a fighter, first your reflexes go, then your chin goes, and then your friends go. Willie Pep

08-06-2006, 01:29 AM	#5
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	I had it 96-93 Quartey as well - Bad Dec - Last edited by meade95; 08-06-2006 at 11:19 AM.

08-07-2006, 12:37 AM	#12
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,012	I had Ike ahead, and was amused by Steward's perplexed observation that despite having a point taken away, Forrest still won on all three cards. Another Festivus Miracle! Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

08-06-2006, 01:20 AM	#4
Randyr Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8	Scored it 96-93 for Quartey... I think it was clear enough who the winner was-- for all three judges to botch that one? Poor.

08-06-2006, 04:16 AM	#6
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	I had it 95-94 for Ike, The 97-92 score for forrest was beserk, but I can live with a Vernon decision, but imo overall he didnt win the fight, but after adding up my score scard that was my final score.

08-06-2006, 11:15 AM	#7
Sertorius Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 29	I also had it 95-94 for Quartey, but I thought there were a number of tough-to-score rounds. I wonder how we all would have scored it with the audio turned off, it's hard not to be influenced by the commentators pushing Quartey the whole time.

08-06-2006, 09:57 PM	#8
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Ouma looked good though

08-07-2006, 12:22 AM	#11
franklin_1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heartland Posts: 138	I had it 98-92 for Quartey and am shocked that anyone could see the fight in any other way. I also disagree that they were pushing Quartey because during the middle rounds both Lampley and Stewart were constantly bringing up the fact that Quartey was both tired and raising his head while punching, two negative qualities. I scored the first to Quartey, the fourth a 10-10, the fifth to Forrest all of which were different than Lederman and I still had an even greater advantage for Quartey than he. An absolutely embarrassment of a decision by all three refs in my opinion.

08-07-2006, 07:52 AM	#13
erickdamac All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,592	Cap I think he was saying by this being a 10 round fight a point means everything but all three judges scored that round for forrest so it was a 9-9 round.

08-07-2006, 05:52 PM	#15
lethal liberal All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Logan,WV Posts: 1,145	I had Quartey winning by 4 points(with the deduction). How anyone could have Forrest winning this fight is beyond comprehension. One judge had Quartey winning only 3 rounds! Imagine that! Good point about Ouma Mike. I have never been real big on Ouma and have thought that he was quite overrated,however,he really has impressed me of late. His workrate is second to none. 100+ punches per round every fight. Amazing. He isnt the big puncher that many thought he was early in his career,but his sheer volume of punches is going to make it a tough job for anyone he faces. I was sort of let down by the performance of Powell,I really thought he would beat Ouma. I dont understand why he didnt use his jab to slow down Ouma just a tad. He let Ouma walk him down and punish him without making him pay a price. Powell has a pretty good jab...he should have made Ouma eat a face full of jabs all night long. Is it me or did he look as if he had never seen a tape of Ouma? He was totally unprepared. Anyone who has watched Ouma knows what he is going to do..come ahead and throw 100+punches per round all night. Taking nothing from Ouma,he comes to fight and just overwhelmed Powell,but Powell just didnt look ready to me.

08-08-2006, 04:36 AM	#16
franklin_1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Heartland Posts: 138	Add me to the list of those disappointed by Powell's performance. It wasn't even so much that he didn't use his jab to try to keep Ouma at bay, but rather the thing that disappointed me the most was his facial expressions and his body language. You could tell as the fight wore on that he lost all confidence when he realized that his shots weren't doing anything to stop Ouma, so much so that by the end of the fight instead of taking maybe 4 punches for everyone he through back, he was taking more like 10-15 to set up one flurry. It just seemed like he wasn't prepared at all because he appeared to be genuinely shocked that Ouma would just keep coming at him. He also looked worried for a good portion of the second half of the fight, and IMO a top tier prospect just can't show those kinds of emotions if he wants to be taken seriously.

08-08-2006, 01:46 PM	#17
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	Ouma's style is very predictable but to solve it is another thing and I didn't think Sechew was ready for a fight like this. Powell was clearly fustrated by Ouma due to all the punches coming at different angles. I still think Sechew has a bright future but his handlers put him into the caldron too soon.

08-08-2006, 02:46 PM	#18
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Powell was way too green. I had no doubts Ouma was going to win this fight. Remembering Nebraska in the 80's ... everyone knew they were going to run the ball right down your throat but no one could stop it. Powell had a game plan, but it has to be frustrating to get hit 47 times in the face before you even think of throwing your next punch. The Karmazan fight was a mirage ... Ouma wins easily in a rematch. Ouma had a 104 temp two days before that fight, his punch output was very low early in the fight. Ouma can be beat, but just because you know what he is going to doesn't mean you can stop it