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[orin2]

I just want to vent here because I think it is appropriate. I have never purchased a game that was as unplayable as this one. Just look at the number of problems this game has had. I wish I had waited to buy it about a year. I am going back to 6.5. Maybe sometime in the future this will change. Very dissapointed.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by orin2

I just want to vent here because I think it is appropriate. I have never purchased a game that was as unplayable as this one. Just look at the number of problems this game has had. I wish I had waited to buy it about a year. I am going back to 6.5. Maybe sometime in the future this will change. Very dissapointed.

Well if you go into your OOTP directory and.... err... wait...

No, my bad... this isn't a tech support issue. You're in the wrong subforum... while they're working on getting the "whiner" subforum up and running this junk should be in the general discussions where it can get lost in relevant conversation.

[rasnell]

Originally Posted by tysok

Well if you go into your OOTP directory and.... err... wait...

No, my bad... this isn't a tech support issue. You're in the wrong subforum... while they're working on getting the "whiner" subforum up and running this junk should be in the general discussions where it can get lost in relevant conversation.

This is a tech support issue and it is disappointing. I'll keep posting what I can to help, but this game is a mess. 72 wild pitches by a pitcher who never had more than 14 in his career and this is after they said patch #2 had fixed it; disappearing free agents (still); lousy AI roster management (still).

I'm not going back to 6.5. I'm going over to PureSim. It has some bugs, but it sure is fun in solo play. But I'll also keep hoping OOTP gets this fixed before 2007.

[Zeyes]

Originally Posted by rasnell

This is a tech support issue and it is disappointing.

In which way exactly was the OP asking for tech support?

[Bishop]

maybe he wants help converting his league to 6.5, and just forgot to ask.

[rasnell]

Originally Posted by Zeyes

In which way exactly was the OP asking for tech support?

See tysop's reply that it's not a tech support issue. I believe it's full of tech support issues.

[Mister Bogart]

Yet another ad...

[orin2]

Originally Posted by tysok

Well if you go into your OOTP directory and.... err... wait...

No, my bad... this isn't a tech support issue. You're in the wrong subforum... while they're working on getting the "whiner" subforum up and running this junk should be in the general discussions where it can get lost in relevant conversation.

Actually, smart-pants, I DID ask a tech question in a previous post. Not only did I ask a tech question but I waited patiently for a reply and then bumped it when I received none.
I bought Galactic Civilzations II the other day. How many bugs and problems do you think I have had with THAT game? Answer: ZERO. So, yes, I think I have a right to be upset about the fact that the game designers released a game and are now using the people who paid for the game as beta testers. It should have been ready to go from the start, not with two patches in a month and a half. I loved 6.5 and I enjoy my online league. All I know is they promised a game and instead we received a product so flawed many people can't even play it. Does that sound like a fair deal for your money?

[justafan]

What is wrong with you people. Can't someone be dissapointed with the game without you all jumping all over them?

[rwd59]

Originally Posted by justafan

What is wrong with you people. Can't someone be dissapointed with the game without you all jumping all over them?

Tis true!

[elderotter]

Originally Posted by orin2

I think I have a right to be upset about the fact that the game designers released a game and are now using the people who paid for the game as beta testers.

I play a lot of games and to be truthful putting out a game and using the original as a beta is the new fad. Have seen it alot since at least last fall. I am impressed that they have put out 2 patches so far. Many games put out patches slowly if at all. So IMHO this game is ahead of the trend back towards sanity. I played Gal Civ II and quit it because of the problems I ran into. Whining has never influenced a Gaming company, Believe me if it worked Civ 4 would have a Jewish civilization by now.

[mrbill]

If someone can post and whine, someone can reply and whine about the whining. Definitely fair game.

And, the OP added nothing to anyone's life with his post, which he may have known was going to be true when making it, but it doesn't stop someone from calling him out.

If he's got tech support issues outstanding, great, but this thread is teh suck.

[Cornelius McGillicuddy]

Originally Posted by orin2

I bought Galactic Civilzations II the other day. How many bugs and problems do you think I have had with THAT game? Answer: ZERO.

Wait a minute.

I've been thinking about buying GalCivII and have been looking at their forum. Not only DID they have lots of problems but some still haven't been totally resolved. Luckily they have a dev like the one here. He listens and fixes. But to say GalCivII has been problem free is not an accurate statement. When this game has been out as long as that one, then you can compare the two.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by orin2

I just want to vent here because I think it is appropriate. I have never purchased a game that was as unplayable as this one. Just look at the number of problems this game has had. I wish I had waited to buy it about a year. I am going back to 6.5. Maybe sometime in the future this will change. Very dissapointed.

Sorry to hear about your misfortunes. Is there anything someone can do about it? What exactly do you want? Please define "unplayable"?

[justafan]

Originally Posted by mrbill

If someone can post and whine, someone can reply and whine about the whining. Definitely fair game.

And, the OP added nothing to anyone's life with his post, which he may have known was going to be true when making it, but it doesn't stop someone from calling him out.

If he's got tech support issues outstanding, great, but this thread is teh suck.

Why does a poster have to add something to anyones life?

Can't they just have an opinion?

[jnshmoo]

See Ya guys! Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by orin2

Actually, smart-pants, I DID ask a tech question in a previous post. Not only did I ask a tech question but I waited patiently for a reply and then bumped it when I received none.
I bought Galactic Civilzations II the other day. How many bugs and problems do you think I have had with THAT game? Answer: ZERO. So, yes, I think I have a right to be upset about the fact that the game designers released a game and are now using the people who paid for the game as beta testers. It should have been ready to go from the start, not with two patches in a month and a half. I loved 6.5 and I enjoy my online league. All I know is they promised a game and instead we received a product so flawed many people can't even play it. Does that sound like a fair deal for your money?

First, this particular opening post had nothing to do with a tech support question or problem... it's an "I hate this game and will quit playing" general discussion item.
Second, I apolgize for the quick snipe reply. It was late and I was tired and I've read more than enough of them.

Now, I see some game crashing issues. I don't see a whole lot of them posted, and I haven't had any. So in the vast majority of cases the problems are not game breaking, they're flaws in logic and simulation. Annoying yes, game breaking no.
You may be experiencing the game breaking crashes... I don't know because I don't look at those, I can't offer any insight into them so I ignore them for the tech support guys and the programmer to worry with.
If you're experiencing the flaws, wild pitches and stealing unbelievably high, ace pitchers wanting peanuts (now actually wanting peanut butter instead) then that's another discussion.

You mention Galactic Civilizations... how much did you pay for it?
From what I've seen it looks like the beta team for this game consists of around 12 people who volunteered their time, and 1 or 2 programmers. For Galactic Civ I guarantee it consisted of more than 12 people, and more than one programmer, and most likely those beta testers got paid. They weren't using their free time to try and find bugs, they were spending their working time finding those bugs... and probably on a wider variety of machines.
I bought a game about a year ago... don't remember what. You could build your own space ship and blah blah... it crashed every time you added a propulsion system... it was never patched and never fixed... somehow got past the beta testers.
In the case of logic and simulation flaws, there's not a lot of data to look at in the case of Galctic Civ... Are the aliens doing the equivalent of pinch hitting too much? Asking for too much money or not enough? Who knows, we've never met an alien. These kind of flaws are inherent in a simulation where data is so readily available.

I don't really mind having paid for this game to be, as some say, a beta tester. OOTP5 wasn't perfect, I doubt 6 was, so I knew what I was getting into. I bought a game that was made very clear to be a complete rewrite... version 1 of a new series.... it would have been nice to have been as polished as 5 or 6 where it was just an added set of features on an already established framework... but in this type of circumstance, no one should ever buy version 1 of a game unless you plan to be, at least to some extent, a guinea pig.
Would it have been nice to get a highly polished bug free plug-n-play all realistic game... sure. Should you expect that the game won't crash and burn all the time... yes, and I haven't experienced otherwise. Can you expect that THIS game would be bug free and a perfect simulation... no, for reasons I pointed out above.
There seems to be 3 guys who are logging errors and getting TT#s set for the bugs that are found... again doing so on their free time. And hundreds of posters posting up possible bugs that they're trying to recreate, or confirm... and new posts tarted every day... it's simply impossible to keep up with every thread 100%, but they're trying.

[BusterKing]

I think they should create a forum called "Rants" and moved all the posts like this one there.

Posts like these ones just rains on our parade.

[Nukester]

Originally Posted by elderotter

I play a lot of games and to be truthful putting out a game and using the original as a beta is the new fad.

This is especially true in the text-sim market (any sport). Its such a small niche group, that sometimes we have to help ourselves. Are the bugs annoying ? Hell yes they are, but in no other market will the designers listen to suggestions, ask for some input, and dilligently try to make a product better with patch after patch after patch. Oblivion has been out for a long time now, still has many many problems, and still only has one patch.

[BigMember]

Originally Posted by tysok

First, this particular opening post had nothing to do with a tech support question or problem... it's an "I hate this game and will quit playing" general discussion item.
Second, I apolgize for the quick snipe reply. It was late and I was tired and I've read more than enough of them.

Now, I see some game crashing issues. I don't see a whole lot of them posted, and I haven't had any. So in the vast majority of cases the problems are not game breaking, they're flaws in logic and simulation. Annoying yes, game breaking no.
You may be experiencing the game breaking crashes... I don't know because I don't look at those, I can't offer any insight into them so I ignore them for the tech support guys and the programmer to worry with.
If you're experiencing the flaws, wild pitches and stealing unbelievably high, ace pitchers wanting peanuts (now actually wanting peanut butter instead) then that's another discussion.

You mention Galactic Civilizations... how much did you pay for it?
From what I've seen it looks like the beta team for this game consists of around 12 people who volunteered their time, and 1 or 2 programmers. For Galactic Civ I guarantee it consisted of more than 12 people, and more than one programmer, and most likely those beta testers got paid. They weren't using their free time to try and find bugs, they were spending their working time finding those bugs... and probably on a wider variety of machines.
I bought a game about a year ago... don't remember what. You could build your own space ship and blah blah... it crashed every time you added a propulsion system... it was never patched and never fixed... somehow got past the beta testers.
In the case of logic and simulation flaws, there's not a lot of data to look at in the case of Galctic Civ... Are the aliens doing the equivalent of pinch hitting too much? Asking for too much money or not enough? Who knows, we've never met an alien. These kind of flaws are inherent in a simulation where data is so readily available.

I don't really mind having paid for this game to be, as some say, a beta tester. OOTP5 wasn't perfect, I doubt 6 was, so I knew what I was getting into. I bought a game that was made very clear to be a complete rewrite... version 1 of a new series.... it would have been nice to have been as polished as 5 or 6 where it was just an added set of features on an already established framework... but in this type of circumstance, no one should ever buy version 1 of a game unless you plan to be, at least to some extent, a guinea pig.
Would it have been nice to get a highly polished bug free plug-n-play all realistic game... sure. Should you expect that the game won't crash and burn all the time... yes, and I haven't experienced otherwise. Can you expect that THIS game would be bug free and a perfect simulation... no, for reasons I pointed out above.
There seems to be 3 guys who are logging errors and getting TT#s set for the bugs that are found... again doing so on their free time. And hundreds of posters posting up possible bugs that they're trying to recreate, or confirm... and new posts tarted every day... it's simply impossible to keep up with every thread 100%, but they're trying.

What? I'm sorry, could you start over?