Contracts...

CaLíKrAzY · 06-09-2006, 12:14 PM

(1.) FA Contracts - The AI demands millions more in negotiations & always gives in to your considerable less offers. Its almost feels like your the only one bidding for free agents.

Also, if you accidentally hit the submit button they will accept 350k deals & were talking guys who are asking for 10+mil.

(2.) Arbitration Contracts - I've released guys after the "end of season (didn't want to pay arbitration or keep them!) only to have my player expenses double? (can't figure this out, this didn't happen in 6.5). So I guess you can't release arbitration eligible guys w/ out paying for their release.

Thats all I can think of ATM, thanks.

steady teddy · 06-09-2006, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaLíKrAzY

(1.) FA Contracts - The AI demands millions more in negotiations & always gives in to your considerable less offers. Its almost feels like your the only one bidding for free agents.

Also, if you accidentally hit the submit button they will accept 350k deals & were talking guys who are asking for 10+mil.

Are you playing a historical league?

CaLíKrAzY · 06-09-2006, 07:03 PM

Nope, just the default.

steady teddy · 06-09-2006, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaLíKrAzY

Nope, just the default.

Well, there goes that theory. Until now I thought this was only happening to people playing historical leagues.

I mentioned in a couple other threads that I have tried to sign highly rated free agents on the cheap in my fictional league but they refuse to sign. That's why I thought this was only happening with historic rosters.

RobertKak · 06-25-2006, 03:14 PM

SOrry if its been brought up and i HATE to echo what has already been said....but the financial system is slowly making this game unplayable (at least for now).

In the three leagues I have started, played, and abandoned out of frustration, the contracts and financials, and AI roster moves are totally out of whack. WHY ARE PITCHERS OF ANY ROLE SO UNDERVALUED??! I am so tired of 3 years- 4million, 3years- 4.5million, 3years- 3.4million for CERTIFIED ACES! Don't get me started on relievers and closers...which I know are being remedied in the patch supposedly. But something has to be done. Even position players/hitters are getting undervalued contracts but its so bad with the pitchers I had to say something.
I've already mentioned on this board some of the absurd trades I have witnessed.

PLEASE fix this thing.

tysok · 06-29-2006, 07:28 PM

I don't know what's going on here... but my star pitchers don't want any money.
I had a guy that just won 18 games, last year he won 17... both years good stats overall and he just wanted a 1 year contract for 1.3 million, he was 27 years old.

Now I've got this guy. 23 game won last year, will win 20+ this year, 2.33 ERA so far this year... and he wants a 3 year deal worth 1.870 total!

The first guy was originally a middle reliever, he's being used as a starter but I never changed his position, so still shows MR. Thought it was an anomoly so didn't bother with screen shots, but this is silly now.
This guy has greed of 4... but the MR had greed of 18.

fantom1979 · 06-30-2006, 12:40 AM

I have found that starting pitchers with low endurance seem to have a low overall rating and also ask for very little money even though they are stars.

fantom1979 · 06-30-2006, 12:47 AM

Here is one of my pitchers (1-10 rating scale). He has won 3 cy youngs in 6 years.

tysok · 06-30-2006, 03:32 AM

Ridiculous... I can easily load up on star low endurance pitchers and pump my cash into the biggest and best relief and shut everyone down.

jbsnadb · 06-30-2006, 03:34 AM

You should win GM of the Decade for signing that guy to THAT contract. Don't complain man, SOAK IT IN!!!!!!!!!!

fantom1979 · 06-30-2006, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbsnadb

You should win GM of the Decade for signing that guy to THAT contract. Don't complain man, SOAK IT IN!!!!!!!!!!

LOL, when I first signed him, I was rather excited about his loyalty to my franchise

. The more I think about it though, the more guilty I feel.

tysok · 06-30-2006, 03:52 AM

I added this to the Bad AI question going on in General Discussions.

The AI apparently gives these types of pitchers VERY low self esteem.

fantom1979 · 06-30-2006, 04:11 AM

There is a thread about this going on here
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=125575

and now has been posted in general discussions here:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...&postcount=117

Hopefully, Markus will get this fixed up

battists · 06-30-2006, 10:08 AM

Calikrazy,

The second issue you mentioned (arbitration) has been fixed in patch 2, definitely. I confirmed that one myself.

Regarding the first one, the indications are that Markus has tightened up some of that contract stuff, and I believe this will be resolved. I haven't seen the behavior you mentioned in my current beta version.

However, I'm willing to test that theory. Is there any scenario you can create wherein I can replicate this?

If you don't have any suggestions on that front, then I'd like to suggest we close this out, and look at it again once the next patch is released.

Thoughts?

Steve

CaLíKrAzY · 06-30-2006, 10:50 AM

I think a way to solve this would be to have the AI be more competitive or aggressive?

It seems like they will "Accept" your offers very quickly w/ out really testing the market, seemlessly giving you the impression your offer is all thats out there. They should be holding out UNLESS you have an offer they cant refuse (that would be ok to see an early signing now and again). But as we speak I can get my FA's out of the way and have my roster nice and setup by mid DEC thru JAN 1st consistantly.

I don't mind landing a 2nd tier established talent (type B FA) at a reasonable discouted price if I feel no ones pursued that player. But right now, I can sign anyone except players I lost or random players who don't want to play for me but those are pretty non-existent.

Pick good players, don't offer them too much & just test yourself and see if you cant get whoever you want w/ out them holding out like they should.

I'll run some tests...

fantom1979 · 06-30-2006, 01:38 PM

Bumping this back to the first page. I think that this is a serious bug. Basically any star starting pitcher that has a below average endurance is asking for a very small amount of money.

fantom1979 · 06-30-2006, 10:28 PM

bumping for a TT#.

Has anyone else noticed this. I understand that since pitchers can be put into any role, endurance has to play a role in their value, but the endurance value at which starting pitchers are considered low money pitchers seems to be too low.

tysok · 07-01-2006, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fantom1979

bumping for a TT#.

Has anyone else noticed this. I understand that since pitchers can be put into any role, endurance has to play a role in their value, but the endurance value at which starting pitchers are considered low money pitchers seems to be too low.

Even a middle reliever with those kind of stats and abilities would be demanding big money... and most likely would be a closer.

fantom1979 · 07-01-2006, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tysok

Even a middle reliever with those kind of stats and abilities would be demanding big money... and most likely would be a closer.

They would be demanding more then the money we have posted, thats for sure.

Raidergoo · 07-01-2006, 10:47 PM

Tt#2005.

06-09-2006, 12:14 PM	#1
CaLíKrAzY All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Costa Mesa, CaLí Posts: 722	Contracts... (1.) FA Contracts - The AI demands millions more in negotiations & always gives in to your considerable less offers. Its almost feels like your the only one bidding for free agents. Also, if you accidentally hit the submit button they will accept 350k deals & were talking guys who are asking for 10+mil. (2.) Arbitration Contracts - I've released guys after the "end of season (didn't want to pay arbitration or keep them!) only to have my player expenses double? (can't figure this out, this didn't happen in 6.5). So I guess you can't release arbitration eligible guys w/ out paying for their release. Thats all I can think of ATM, thanks.

06-25-2006, 03:14 PM	#5
RobertKak Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 108	Contracts... SOrry if its been brought up and i HATE to echo what has already been said....but the financial system is slowly making this game unplayable (at least for now). In the three leagues I have started, played, and abandoned out of frustration, the contracts and financials, and AI roster moves are totally out of whack. WHY ARE PITCHERS OF ANY ROLE SO UNDERVALUED??! I am so tired of 3 years- 4million, 3years- 4.5million, 3years- 3.4million for CERTIFIED ACES! Don't get me started on relievers and closers...which I know are being remedied in the patch supposedly. But something has to be done. Even position players/hitters are getting undervalued contracts but its so bad with the pitchers I had to say something. I've already mentioned on this board some of the absurd trades I have witnessed. PLEASE fix this thing. __________________ NMWL ______________________________ "The one constant through all the years has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It's been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt, and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game, is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and what could be again." -Terrance Mann (James Earl Jones) Field of Dreams 1989

06-29-2006, 07:28 PM	#6
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	Contracts... I don't know what's going on here... but my star pitchers don't want any money. I had a guy that just won 18 games, last year he won 17... both years good stats overall and he just wanted a 1 year contract for 1.3 million, he was 27 years old. Now I've got this guy. 23 game won last year, will win 20+ this year, 2.33 ERA so far this year... and he wants a 3 year deal worth 1.870 total! The first guy was originally a middle reliever, he's being used as a starter but I never changed his position, so still shows MR. Thought it was an anomoly so didn't bother with screen shots, but this is silly now. This guy has greed of 4... but the MR had greed of 18.

06-30-2006, 12:40 AM	#7
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	I have found that starting pitchers with low endurance seem to have a low overall rating and also ask for very little money even though they are stars. __________________

06-30-2006, 12:47 AM	#8
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Here is one of my pitchers (1-10 rating scale). He has won 3 cy youngs in 6 years. __________________

06-09-2006, 07:03 PM	#3
CaLíKrAzY All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Costa Mesa, CaLí Posts: 722	Nope, just the default.

06-30-2006, 03:32 AM	#9
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	Ridiculous... I can easily load up on star low endurance pitchers and pump my cash into the biggest and best relief and shut everyone down.

06-30-2006, 03:34 AM	#10
jbsnadb All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,098	You should win GM of the Decade for signing that guy to THAT contract. Don't complain man, SOAK IT IN!!!!!!!!!! __________________ "And as I wander with my music through the jungles of Despair, my kid will learn guitar and find a street corner somewhere. There he'll make the silence listen to the dream behind the voice, and show his minstrel Hamlet daddy that there only was one choice."

06-30-2006, 03:52 AM	#12
tysok Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,925	I added this to the Bad AI question going on in General Discussions. The AI apparently gives these types of pitchers VERY low self esteem.

06-30-2006, 04:11 AM	#13
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	There is a thread about this going on here http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=125575 and now has been posted in general discussions here: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...&postcount=117 Hopefully, Markus will get this fixed up __________________

06-30-2006, 10:08 AM	#14
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Calikrazy, The second issue you mentioned (arbitration) has been fixed in patch 2, definitely. I confirmed that one myself. Regarding the first one, the indications are that Markus has tightened up some of that contract stuff, and I believe this will be resolved. I haven't seen the behavior you mentioned in my current beta version. However, I'm willing to test that theory. Is there any scenario you can create wherein I can replicate this? If you don't have any suggestions on that front, then I'd like to suggest we close this out, and look at it again once the next patch is released. Thoughts? Steve

06-30-2006, 10:50 AM	#15
CaLíKrAzY All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Costa Mesa, CaLí Posts: 722	I think a way to solve this would be to have the AI be more competitive or aggressive? It seems like they will "Accept" your offers very quickly w/ out really testing the market, seemlessly giving you the impression your offer is all thats out there. They should be holding out UNLESS you have an offer they cant refuse (that would be ok to see an early signing now and again). But as we speak I can get my FA's out of the way and have my roster nice and setup by mid DEC thru JAN 1st consistantly. I don't mind landing a 2nd tier established talent (type B FA) at a reasonable discouted price if I feel no ones pursued that player. But right now, I can sign anyone except players I lost or random players who don't want to play for me but those are pretty non-existent. Pick good players, don't offer them too much & just test yourself and see if you cant get whoever you want w/ out them holding out like they should. I'll run some tests...

06-30-2006, 01:38 PM	#16
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Bumping this back to the first page. I think that this is a serious bug. Basically any star starting pitcher that has a below average endurance is asking for a very small amount of money. __________________

06-30-2006, 10:28 PM	#17
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	bumping for a TT#. Has anyone else noticed this. I understand that since pitchers can be put into any role, endurance has to play a role in their value, but the endurance value at which starting pitchers are considered low money pitchers seems to be too low. __________________

07-01-2006, 10:47 PM	#20
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Tt#2005.