I don’t get it.

Giants44 · 06-01-2006, 01:22 AM

As a long time OOTP fanboy I am trying not to be negative with this new version, but frankly the more I play the more frustrated I get.

Some things in this version simply don’t make sense to me as a lifetime follower of Baseball.

It appears (and please correct me if I am wrong) that I can from my roster screen take a look at what all of my batters hit with runners on first and third and an 0-1 count. (along with a myriad of other situations) However I can NOT tell what he hit overall for the previous season.

In my lifetime I have never heard a baseball person of any sort use information as detailed as the runners and count example, but EVERYONE uses previous years stats.

I am sure that there are some statistical nuts that love the level of detail, but at the expense of the basic stats, this makes absolutely no sense to me.

spark240 · 06-01-2006, 01:29 AM

Hmm. It does seem there should be one more pulldown (between scope and split, maybe) to choose between current year and previous year.

ForemanFan · 06-01-2006, 01:34 AM

Hmph, yeah. Well, I'm sure they'll throw that in on the patch. Did you mention it in the tech forum?

Jason · 06-01-2006, 01:36 AM

I'm not sure what you're talking about...previous season stats are right on the player's opening page when you click on it from the roster. Or do you mean the splits from previous years?

ForemanFan · 06-01-2006, 01:43 AM

I think that he means being unable to see the stats from the roster page, not the player's profile page.

Dark Horse · 06-01-2006, 02:15 AM

Quote:

As a long time OOTP fanboy I am trying not to be negative with this new version, but frankly the more I play the more frustrated I get.

Some things in this version simply don’t make sense to me as a lifetime follower of Baseball.

It appears (and please correct me if I am wrong) that I can from my roster screen take a look at what all of my batters hit with runners on first and third and an 0-1 count. (along with a myriad of other situations) However I can NOT tell what he hit overall for the previous season.

In my lifetime I have never heard a baseball person of any sort use information as detailed as the runners and count example, but EVERYONE uses previous years stats.

I am sure that there are some statistical nuts that love the level of detail, but at the expense of the basic stats, this makes absolutely no sense to me.

You can't get the previous year's stats from the roster screen. But, if you click on a player on that roster screen, his stats for the last three seasons are in the lower right hand corner of the player profile.

Dark Horse · 06-01-2006, 02:18 AM

And if you look near the upper right hand corner of that page, you'll find a way to quickly scroll thru all of the players on the roster screen.

In most cases, we have as much info (if not more) with this version than in past version. You just have to learn where to look for it.

Giants44 · 06-01-2006, 02:21 AM

yes if I click on each and every player I can get previous years stats. for that matter I could calculate it myself on a piece of paper and pretend it is 1977 all over again.

what I am looking for is a single page where the stats for the entire year are listed so you can take a look at your team and see - oh yes my SS is crap he hit .220, I need to address that, etc.

This has been a standard in baseball sims going back at least ten years (and in all previous OOTP versions) not to mention far less sophisticated products like Baseball Mogul.

This is a GLARING omission.

Dark Horse · 06-01-2006, 02:28 AM

Or you could go to your team history page. Click on the previous year.

Dark Horse · 06-01-2006, 02:30 AM

And it'll show all of the your teams stats on one page.

Giants44 · 06-01-2006, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

And it'll show all of the your teams stats on one page.

This is a lot more usefull and the first alternative I have seen that is at least a decent workaround - but I still feel strongly it should be in there like it was before:

Giants44 · 06-01-2006, 02:34 AM

Hell even Baseball Mogul has it:

Markus Heinsohn · 06-01-2006, 05:16 AM

This is something that will be added soon

Le Grande Orange · 06-01-2006, 05:27 AM

Wow, I must really be used to the new interface because those OOTP6 and Baseball Mogul screenshots look downright ugly to me...

Russ · 06-01-2006, 05:27 AM

67 home runs for Harold Baines. Puhlease!

ForemanFan · 06-01-2006, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Russ

67 home runs for Harold Baines. Puhlease!

Hahaha! I didn't even catch that. And Barry Bonds with 47 homers. Just think. . . .

Zweiblumen · 06-01-2006, 07:14 AM

Actually....this is something that ootp has always driven me nuts with. My first baseball sim was high heat 2001, and on your roster screen there you could pick any year, or career totals, and sort, allowing you to easily see who your best players were from any season (of those still on your roster) and to see who were your active leaders in whatever stat you wanted. I really wish that the ootp roster screen would allow you the same options. Given the way Markus is now storing the stats in the db, this should be pretty easy to allow....

spark240 · 06-01-2006, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

This is something that will be added soon

Thanks Markus.

For everyone else:
I don't agree with the whiny tone of some of the first-reaction posts, but it is a legitimate issue when information that a lot of people will typically want at a certain place in the game isn't easily accessible from that point. Of course previous season numbers are available in the game, this was just a matter of how easy it was to flip back and forth between current and previous season stats from a spot where a lot of people would want to do that--the roster. It's a small, simple thing that I'm sure was just missed in the crunch to take care of a lot of other things. Now that it's been pointed out, it will soon be taken care of. There was no need to get worked up.

I think the new game is a big step forward, and while there's room for additions and refinements in some areas, I for one can't imagine going back.

Giants44 · 06-01-2006, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

This is something that will be added soon

great news - thanks!

Giants44 · 06-01-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ForemanFan

Hahaha! I didn't even catch that. And Barry Bonds with 47 homers. Just think. . . .

yes Mogul was a fine little diversion while waiting for this release, but it is not a "serious" game by any means, but I definitely got 20 bucks worth of entertainment out of it while waiting for this game.

Plus you guys overlooked Jack Clark who was well on his way to breaking 755 in that game

06-01-2006, 01:22 AM	#1
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	I don’t get it. As a long time OOTP fanboy I am trying not to be negative with this new version, but frankly the more I play the more frustrated I get. Some things in this version simply don’t make sense to me as a lifetime follower of Baseball. It appears (and please correct me if I am wrong) that I can from my roster screen take a look at what all of my batters hit with runners on first and third and an 0-1 count. (along with a myriad of other situations) However I can NOT tell what he hit overall for the previous season. In my lifetime I have never heard a baseball person of any sort use information as detailed as the runners and count example, but EVERYONE uses previous years stats. I am sure that there are some statistical nuts that love the level of detail, but at the expense of the basic stats, this makes absolutely no sense to me.

06-01-2006, 01:34 AM	#3
ForemanFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles (Heaven -- pfffft!) Posts: 201	Hmph, yeah. Well, I'm sure they'll throw that in on the patch. Did you mention it in the tech forum? __________________ The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with a passionate intensity. George is comin' back. . . again!

06-01-2006, 01:43 AM	#5
ForemanFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles (Heaven -- pfffft!) Posts: 201	I think that he means being unable to see the stats from the roster page, not the player's profile page. __________________ The best lack all conviction, while the worst are filled with a passionate intensity. George is comin' back. . . again!

06-01-2006, 02:18 AM	#7
Dark Horse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas! Posts: 2,633	And if you look near the upper right hand corner of that page, you'll find a way to quickly scroll thru all of the players on the roster screen. In most cases, we have as much info (if not more) with this version than in past version. You just have to learn where to look for it. Attached Images __________________ A Justafan Fan LBA Geo Bahn Rock Hounds fan of the ISLANDIAN PRO ALLIANCE

06-01-2006, 02:28 AM	#9
Dark Horse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas! Posts: 2,633	Or you could go to your team history page. Click on the previous year. Attached Images __________________ A Justafan Fan LBA Geo Bahn Rock Hounds fan of the ISLANDIAN PRO ALLIANCE

06-01-2006, 01:29 AM	#2
spark240 All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Highest county in the Virginia hills Posts: 637	Hmm. It does seem there should be one more pulldown (between scope and split, maybe) to choose between current year and previous year.

06-01-2006, 01:36 AM	#4
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,847	I'm not sure what you're talking about...previous season stats are right on the player's opening page when you click on it from the roster. Or do you mean the splits from previous years?

06-01-2006, 02:21 AM	#8
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	yes if I click on each and every player I can get previous years stats. for that matter I could calculate it myself on a piece of paper and pretend it is 1977 all over again. what I am looking for is a single page where the stats for the entire year are listed so you can take a look at your team and see - oh yes my SS is crap he hit .220, I need to address that, etc. This has been a standard in baseball sims going back at least ten years (and in all previous OOTP versions) not to mention far less sophisticated products like Baseball Mogul. This is a GLARING omission.

06-01-2006, 02:30 AM	#10
Dark Horse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas! Posts: 2,633	And it'll show all of the your teams stats on one page. Attached Images __________________ A Justafan Fan LBA Geo Bahn Rock Hounds fan of the ISLANDIAN PRO ALLIANCE

06-01-2006, 02:34 AM	#12
Giants44 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 2,408	Hell even Baseball Mogul has it:

06-01-2006, 05:16 AM	#13
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	This is something that will be added soon

06-01-2006, 05:27 AM	#14
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Wow, I must really be used to the new interface because those OOTP6 and Baseball Mogul screenshots look downright ugly to me...

06-01-2006, 05:27 AM	#15
Russ All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Essex HON! Posts: 1,923 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	67 home runs for Harold Baines. Puhlease! __________________ If you don't love Russ, you don't love America. This post brought to you by Carl's Jr.

06-01-2006, 07:14 AM	#17
Zweiblumen Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 326	Actually....this is something that ootp has always driven me nuts with. My first baseball sim was high heat 2001, and on your roster screen there you could pick any year, or career totals, and sort, allowing you to easily see who your best players were from any season (of those still on your roster) and to see who were your active leaders in whatever stat you wanted. I really wish that the ootp roster screen would allow you the same options. Given the way Markus is now storing the stats in the db, this should be pretty easy to allow....