No Trading Block? Player Offers?

skywalkr2 · 05-31-2006, 07:48 PM

Am I missing something? I cannot find the trading block and I cannot seem to figure out how to get other teams to offer me players for my players... Is this something that was removed? If so? Why? I cannot imagine how to do a decent trade if the only way you can find out if someone is interested is to wait one or two sim days for a response.

Jeremy Weimer · 05-31-2006, 07:51 PM

Someone mentioned that it was removed, but I'm not sure if that's 100% true or not.

Erithtotl · 05-31-2006, 08:00 PM

Yeah its gone. No trading block, no player offers, no shop player functionality.

mh2365 · 05-31-2006, 08:13 PM

So computer controlled teams don't offer you trades? If that's true isn't that like 100 steps backwards?

SlyBelle · 05-31-2006, 08:15 PM

After you submit a trade and the team your trading with does not agree with your trade, they do indicate within email what additional players would make the trade work.

So far, haven't found shop player option either. Seems odd that would have been dropped.

AfWapo · 05-31-2006, 08:18 PM

I think a league-wide trade block is an essential element of solo-leagues. This should be a top priority for patch #1.

JPFALCON · 05-31-2006, 08:24 PM

In attempting to design this game following the Football Manager model, it is a shame that some of the niceties of OOTP6 have been removed....

Marc Duffy · 05-31-2006, 08:25 PM

I dont think it was anything to do with other games at all, it was about what Markus felt was best in releasing this version

trapper · 05-31-2006, 08:26 PM

After getting used to the Football Manager system, I think it can be argued that trading in OOTP6.5 was too easy. So I think this was a design decision that may be warranted. But by all means, lets have it back as an option. Something like "easy trading on."

SlyBelle · 05-31-2006, 08:28 PM

That was a great feature in my opinion and it seems like something that did model baseball and trades.

Oh well, I'll move on to the other features. A lot to play with. Not a deal breaker, just a little bit disappointed.

Goodsox · 05-31-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

So computer controlled teams don't offer you trades? If that's true isn't that like 100 steps backwards?

Computer controlled teams do make offers throughout the year. On your manager home page you can choose whether or not to stop the sim when this occurs.

Jeremy Weimer · 05-31-2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by trapper

After getting used to the Football Manager system, I think it can be argued that trading in OOTP6.5 was too easy. So I think this was a design decision that may be warranted. But by all means, lets have it back as an option. Something like "easy trading on."

It didn't make trading easy by any means. It just gave you a better idea of what teams were looking for in return or who teams were trying to get rid of. Which is a real part of baseball. Teams have trading blocks in real life. They're not exactly published somewhere for all to see, but teams make sure other teams know that certain individuals are up for trade and such. Plus trading would pretty much be impossible if the other team involved didn't respond with what they want in return or suggestions on how to improve it.

These are things that should be in the game.

Draft Dodger · 05-31-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

So computer controlled teams don't offer you trades? If that's true isn't that like 100 steps backwards?

no no. computer teams DO offer you trades.

what you can't do is say "hey, what will you give me for Jeff Kent".

I never really found the trade block to work all that well, so, while I miss it, I'm not that broken-hearted. I really miss being able to shop a player, but, honestly, I think that made things way too easy for you as a GM.

one feature that is kind of nice is that when you make a trade offer, in a day or so the GM will either say yes, or "no...but if you add in ____ we might have a deal". which, in effect, works pretty comparably to the old shop player thing. I still find the AI requests the same players on my roster, just like before, so this can still use tweaking, I guess. but, overall, it does feel a bit more realistic and a bit more difficult (a good thing).

Jason · 05-31-2006, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

one feature that is kind of nice is that when you make a trade offer, in a day or so the GM will either say yes, or "no...but if you add in ____ we might have a deal". which, in effect, works pretty comparably to the old shop player thing. I still find the AI requests the same players on my roster, just like before, so this can still use tweaking, I guess. but, overall, it does feel a bit more realistic and a bit more difficult (a good thing).

Well said, DD. Definitely brings the challenge back to trading.

Erik W. · 05-31-2006, 09:07 PM

Yeah, while the 6.5 way was handy, it was also way too easy. I was able to keep franchises stocked with very good players without ever signing a free agent just through the simplified trade system that told you too much. I like the new system, and have had fun trading so far.

At the same time, I realize that not everyone likes the tedium that "realism" can bring, so I'd be all for some sort of toggleable option or not-as-easy happy medium.

rudel.dietrich · 05-31-2006, 09:10 PM

The shop player around feature in 6.5 was also pretty broken and would suggest some downright stupid trades and some trades that were complete steals.

If it does make a return lets hope it at least has some semblence of common sense.

Sinclair · 05-31-2006, 09:16 PM

The old, 6.0/6.5 way was way too easy to work trades. But a complete lack of a trading block is - I hesitate to say "crippling," but something along those lines.

What should happen is there should be a trading block and an "untouchable" block. I don't want to be able to go to a GM and say, "I will give you ________, what will you give me in return?" and get instant feedback (like you can in 6.0/6.5). But putting a player on The Block should spur the AI to initiate a trade offer if a) their team is in the hunt, and b) your player fills a significant need for them. The trade would still take a couple of days to hammer out (unless you flat-out accept their initial offer, which pretty much never happens), but it breathes a little more life into the AI and possibly produces more creative trades.

And having an "untouchable" block would keep the AI from making anything but an overwhelming offer for that player. Again, it makes the AI more "lifelike," and, with the new "couple of days" trade delay, it'll cut down on wasted time by the AI repeatedly going after someone you just won't let go.

Not to mention the benefits of having the AI designate their own "trade bait" and "untouchable" players.

thefullydown7 · 05-31-2006, 09:37 PM

does trading have cash considerations in it? like A gets: Player X, $n Cash; B Gets: Player Y, Player Z

Dagrims · 05-31-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thefullydown7

does trading have cash considerations in it? like A gets: Player X, $n Cash; B Gets: Player Y, Player Z

According to the written documentation with the game, cash can be included in trades.

Draft Dodger · 05-31-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by thefullydown7

does trading have cash considerations in it? like A gets: Player X, $n Cash; B Gets: Player Y, Player Z

and draft picks, if you enable it in the league options menu

05-31-2006, 09:16 PM	#17
Sinclair Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 202	The old, 6.0/6.5 way was way too easy to work trades. But a complete lack of a trading block is - I hesitate to say "crippling," but something along those lines. What should happen is there should be a trading block and an "untouchable" block. I don't want to be able to go to a GM and say, "I will give you ________, what will you give me in return?" and get instant feedback (like you can in 6.0/6.5). But putting a player on The Block should spur the AI to initiate a trade offer if a) their team is in the hunt, and b) your player fills a significant need for them. The trade would still take a couple of days to hammer out (unless you flat-out accept their initial offer, which pretty much never happens), but it breathes a little more life into the AI and possibly produces more creative trades. And having an "untouchable" block would keep the AI from making anything but an overwhelming offer for that player. Again, it makes the AI more "lifelike," and, with the new "couple of days" trade delay, it'll cut down on wasted time by the AI repeatedly going after someone you just won't let go. Not to mention the benefits of having the AI designate their own "trade bait" and "untouchable" players. Last edited by Sinclair; 05-31-2006 at 09:18 PM.

05-31-2006, 07:48 PM	#1
skywalkr2 Major Leagues Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 438	No Trading Block? Player Offers? Am I missing something? I cannot find the trading block and I cannot seem to figure out how to get other teams to offer me players for my players... Is this something that was removed? If so? Why? I cannot imagine how to do a decent trade if the only way you can find out if someone is interested is to wait one or two sim days for a response.

05-31-2006, 07:51 PM	#2
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	Someone mentioned that it was removed, but I'm not sure if that's 100% true or not.

05-31-2006, 08:00 PM	#3
Erithtotl Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 330	Yeah its gone. No trading block, no player offers, no shop player functionality.

05-31-2006, 08:13 PM	#4
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	So computer controlled teams don't offer you trades? If that's true isn't that like 100 steps backwards?

05-31-2006, 08:15 PM	#5
SlyBelle All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 633	After you submit a trade and the team your trading with does not agree with your trade, they do indicate within email what additional players would make the trade work. So far, haven't found shop player option either. Seems odd that would have been dropped.

05-31-2006, 08:18 PM	#6
AfWapo Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 42	I think a league-wide trade block is an essential element of solo-leagues. This should be a top priority for patch #1.

05-31-2006, 08:24 PM	#7
JPFALCON Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 54	In attempting to design this game following the Football Manager model, it is a shame that some of the niceties of OOTP6 have been removed....

05-31-2006, 08:25 PM	#8
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	I dont think it was anything to do with other games at all, it was about what Markus felt was best in releasing this version

05-31-2006, 08:26 PM	#9
trapper Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 114	After getting used to the Football Manager system, I think it can be argued that trading in OOTP6.5 was too easy. So I think this was a design decision that may be warranted. But by all means, lets have it back as an option. Something like "easy trading on."

05-31-2006, 08:28 PM	#10
SlyBelle All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 633	That was a great feature in my opinion and it seems like something that did model baseball and trades. Oh well, I'll move on to the other features. A lot to play with. Not a deal breaker, just a little bit disappointed.

05-31-2006, 09:07 PM	#15
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	Yeah, while the 6.5 way was handy, it was also way too easy. I was able to keep franchises stocked with very good players without ever signing a free agent just through the simplified trade system that told you too much. I like the new system, and have had fun trading so far. At the same time, I realize that not everyone likes the tedium that "realism" can bring, so I'd be all for some sort of toggleable option or not-as-easy happy medium.

05-31-2006, 09:10 PM	#16
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	The shop player around feature in 6.5 was also pretty broken and would suggest some downright stupid trades and some trades that were complete steals. If it does make a return lets hope it at least has some semblence of common sense.

05-31-2006, 09:37 PM	#18
thefullydown7 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 40	does trading have cash considerations in it? like A gets: Player X, $n Cash; B Gets: Player Y, Player Z