hidden ratings

[waltwa]

i don't spend a lot of time playing with historical rosters so hidden ratings don't mean too much to me however i would like to make 1 point about hidden ratings.

in real life sports every players ratings are hidden. you never know for sure what you are going to get that's why you scout players "in the flesh". the fact that in a sim game we do not actually see the players perform is a major drawback to making conclusions about a players future success. i have to believe that if you heard about barry bonds as a player you still would have doubts about making him a first rounder but if you actually saw him perform in the flesh and had past statistics those doubts would probably go away.

of course i will buy the game (i already have) and then if the hidden ratings are a problem i am sure i will post or see posts on the forum asking markus to display ratings. if it is a legitimate problem markus will do what he has always done- listen to the community and solve the problem.

[sovereignstar]

I wish these posts about hidden ratings would be hidden.

[Dreslough]

A game like ootp lets you do two things Mode 1 play as the gm and manager where you run the team but you might get fired in this mode its good that you cant see the hidden ratings! Mode 2 control everything as the commissioner including editing stats and players This mode is absolutely essential for being the commissioner of an online league or creating custom rosters

For Mode 1 i'd rather play Mogul because the sim is faster and now just as accurate if not more so and i want to be able to turn a team around without being fired and i really like the pitch by pitch stuff for playoff games Mode 2 is where ootp is great because of the customization and catobase style output but if I cant actually edit all of a players stats it makes it impossible to run a league or create rosters

Since ootp iisnt including lahman the least they can do is give us the tools so that when we want to create rosters to help the community we can actually get the rosters right!

[Dreslough]

Originally Posted by waltwa

if it is a legitimate problem markus will do what he has always done- listen to the community and solve the problem.

your right but the news means we'll have to wait for a patch Its just a bummer that the game will as far as I care be broken the day I download it and Ill have to wait until I can download a version that does what I need it to do to create my league.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Dreslough

For Mode 1 i'd rather play Mogul because the sim is faster and now just as accurate if not more so and i want to be able to turn a team around without being fired and i really like the pitch by pitch stuff for playoff games Mode 2 is where ootp is great because of the customization and catobase style output but if I cant actually edit all of a players stats it makes it impossible to run a league or create rosters

Just as accurate if not more so, huh? Yeah, the lack of a fatigue system, which allows your catcher to play 162 games, makes for completely realistic sims!

And I do so love their "let's throw this in to beat OOTP!" pitch-by-pitch system. You can only do it if you manually call every pitch. There's no in-between. Last time I checked, managers stop calling pitches before you hit Legion ball.

And let's not even get into the roster AI. Load up a new game and hit the sort all button on the Cardinals or Blue Jays and see what happens. You're going to say, "don't hit the sort button," I know. But while you type that out, remember that it's the same AI that's creating all of the AI rosters. Good stuff there.

Mogul is a baseball sim with training wheels. Except the wheels wobble and you can't exactly go straight. It says a lot about the game that they have goons running around this board sending advertising PM's to anyone who raises a concern about OOTP. I know, because I've gotten one, you sorry sacks.

Learn to play a real baseball sim. Mogul blows.

[markprior22]

Originally Posted by Dreslough

your right but the news means we'll have to wait for a patch Its just a bummer that the game will as far as I care be broken the day I download it and Ill have to wait until I can download a version that does what I need it to do to create my league.

Unless I'm missing your point, you guys are kind of late to the party.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=118959

Hidden ratings will be able to be "unhidden" if player wishes.

[Doibhilin]

For Mode 1 i'd rather play Mogul because the sim is faster and now just as accurate if not more so and i want to be able to turn a team around without being fired and i really like the pitch by pitch stuff for playoff games

I tried the trial for the new Mogul, and I didn't even feel like I was playing a game. It was so easy. I don't get how anyone can like Mogul over OOTP, in any category.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by Dreslough

your right but the news means we'll have to wait for a patch Its just a bummer that the game will as far as I care be broken the day I download it and Ill have to wait until I can download a version that does what I need it to do to create my league.

Unless you can contribute in a positive manner to this forum, please go away. Go to a Mogul forum where you can spew your misguided notion it's a better product than OOTP.

Also, after reading your posts, I found a book that you might want to check out sometime.

[f.montoya]

Originally Posted by Azamien

Just as accurate if not more so, huh? Yeah, the lack of a fatigue system, which allows your catcher to play 162 games, makes for completely realistic sims!

And I do so love their "let's throw this in to beat OOTP!" pitch-by-pitch system. You can only do it if you manually call every pitch. There's no in-between. Last time I checked, managers stop calling pitches before you hit Legion ball.

And let's not even get into the roster AI. Load up a new game and hit the sort all button on the Cardinals or Blue Jays and see what happens. You're going to say, "don't hit the sort button," I know. But while you type that out, remember that it's the same AI that's creating all of the AI rosters. Good stuff there.

Mogul is a baseball sim with training wheels. Except the wheels wobble and you can't exactly go straight. It says a lot about the game that they have goons running around this board sending advertising PM's to anyone who raises a concern about OOTP. I know, because I've gotten one, you sorry sacks.

Learn to play a real baseball sim. Mogul blows.

Looks like someone just got one of those whipped cream pies in the face.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally Posted by Dreslough

A game like ootp lets you do two things Mode 1 play as the gm and manager where you run the team but you might get fired in this mode its good that you cant see the hidden ratings! Mode 2 control everything as the commissioner including editing stats and players This mode is absolutely essential for being the commissioner of an online league or creating custom rosters

For Mode 1 i'd rather play Mogul because the sim is faster and now just as accurate if not more so and i want to be able to turn a team around without being fired and i really like the pitch by pitch stuff for playoff games Mode 2 is where ootp is great because of the customization and catobase style output but if I cant actually edit all of a players stats it makes it impossible to run a league or create rosters

Since ootp iisnt including lahman the least they can do is give us the tools so that when we want to create rosters to help the community we can actually get the rosters right!

Roffle. Calling Mogul more accurate is like saying that O'Doul's is stronger than Guiness. The game is complete garbage with fictional players (and yes, there is such a thing as accuracy, even when you're talking about eras and not players) and I'm not even going to try it with real ones.

This post, in conclusion, is about as "accurate" as Clay Dreslough saying he came up with DIPS before Voros McCracken on Wikipedia.

[andymac]

Joe Morgan knows what DIPS is?

[Joe Morgan]

Originally Posted by andymac

Joe Morgan knows what DIPS is?

I know about it, but I don't like it!

[Caporegime]

Originally Posted by andymac

Joe Morgan knows what DIPS is?

On the dance floor or in the snack aisle, Joe knows his dips. The baseball diamond is another question.

[Joe Morgan]

Originally Posted by Caporegime

On the dance floor or in the snack aisle, Joe knows his dips. The baseball diamond is another question.

Seriously though, look up DIPS in Wikipedia. Then check the discussion section utter hilarity. At one point, Clay Dreslough actually had a moderator convinced that he came up with DIPS before Voros. It's all crap anyway because DIPS has nothing in it about how a pitcher knows how to win, but it's still fun to see statheads get angry.

[Sinclair]

I don't know why I'm posting this...

The fanboi volume up in here definitely goes up to 11.

There's a difference between criticism and vitriol. I don't understand why there's so much rage evident whenever BBM comes up as a topic. It's like you guys think you're fighting some kind of ePinons war, complete with contraband assault rifles. OOTP is more accurate and, overall, a better game / sim / suite. But just because you're fans, does that really justify your animosity?

Seriously, it's like you're saying, "My friend's son is smarter than your son, so that gives me the right to slash your tires." Absurd.

[LeiterFanatic]

Originally Posted by Joe Morgan

Seriously though, look up DIPS in Wikipedia. Then check the discussion section utter hilarity. At one point, Clay Dreslough actually had a moderator convinced that he came up with DIPS before Voros. It's all crap anyway because DIPS has nothing in it about how a pitcher knows how to win, but it's still fun to see statheads get angry.

Joe, its good to see you back. When are you going to talk about Jim Tracy and the Pirates?

[LeiterFanatic]

Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

Unless you can contribute in a positive manner to this forum, please go away.

double standard

n : an ethical or moral code that applies more strictly to one group than to another

Originally Posted by Dreslough

Its just a bummer that the game will as far as I care be broken the day I download it and Ill have to wait until I can download a version that does what I need it to do to create my league.

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

I have seen three deal-breaking issues for the historical gamer: no in-game expansion, which kills long-term historical simming; no managerial record tracking, which kills the managerial aspects of historical gaming; and now, hidden ratings, which render the creation and play of historical rosters completely impossible.

What were you people *thinking*?

You would have a lot more credibility if you attacked more than Mogul fans

[Jason]

Originally Posted by LeiterFanatic

You would have a lot more credibility if you attacked more than Mogul fans

This would bother me A) if you knew what you were actually talking about and B) if for some reason you haven't been running around stalking my posts to make negative comments.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by Sinclair

I don't know why I'm posting this...

The fanboi volume up in here definitely goes up to 11.

There's a difference between criticism and vitriol. I don't understand why there's so much rage evident whenever BBM comes up as a topic. It's like you guys think you're fighting some kind of ePinons war, complete with contraband assault rifles. OOTP is more accurate and, overall, a better game / sim / suite. But just because you're fans, does that really justify your animosity?

Seriously, it's like you're saying, "My friend's son is smarter than your son, so that gives me the right to slash your tires." Absurd.

Well, to be fair...Dreslough started the tire slashing with completely false comments such as insinuating that OOTP wasn't compatible with Lahman and saying it was going to be "broken" on release. The guy is here to troll, and people responded to him in kind.

[Caporegime]

Originally Posted by Joe Morgan

Seriously though, look up DIPS in Wikipedia. Then check the discussion section utter hilarity. At one point, Clay Dreslough actually had a moderator convinced that he came up with DIPS before Voros. It's all crap anyway because DIPS has nothing in it about how a pitcher knows how to win, but it's still fun to see statheads get angry.

Has it ever occurred to you that they angry not because of the objections voiced but by how those objections are voiced? Everything is grist for the mill of debate as far as I'm concerned, but when you start disparaging the people you disagree with as "statheads" you lose all credibility. If I started a conversation with you by calling you a midget, for example, would you really be interested in hearing anything else I had to say on any topic?

Think about it...