HoF additions?

Claymore · 05-17-2006, 03:00 PM

Hi all,

I was just curious to what strides have been made to the Hall of Fame aspect of the game.

Will players now follow the 5 year waiting requirement? Can players be manually selected in ootp2006 to enter the HoF?

Mattymo · 05-17-2006, 03:14 PM

It'd be nice if there was something in the AI where there were "votes" rather than concrete milestones for HoF induction. I know that might be going out on a limb but, it'd be a nice addition. I figure if they can have a player of the week and month, they could probably add this. At least maybe in a future version.

Claymore · 05-17-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattymo

It'd be nice if there was something in the AI where there were "votes" rather than concrete milestones for HoF induction. I know that might be going out on a limb but, it'd be a nice addition. I figure if they can have a player of the week and month, they could probably add this. At least maybe in a future version.

I agree with ya there 100%.

Cras · 05-17-2006, 03:44 PM

I really hope the 5 year requirement is in. It doesn't seem too hard to code, but I could be wrong. I think it would be cool too if the media would speculate who could get in.

bababui · 05-17-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattymo

It'd be nice if there was something in the AI where there were "votes" rather than concrete milestones for HoF induction. I know that might be going out on a limb but, it'd be a nice addition. I figure if they can have a player of the week and month, they could probably add this. At least maybe in a future version.

Wouldnt this lead to people complaining that HoF standards were inconsistant and unworthy players were being let in?

Claymore · 05-17-2006, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Wouldnt this lead to people complaining that HoF standards were inconsistant and unwilling players were being let in?

If you had an overide that allowed you to manually put players in, that would take care of inconsistancies of some deserving players not getting in (and is historically correct, the Veterans Association can select a player not voted in by the sportswriters).

As for unwilling players, I can't recall any off the top of my heard that declined invitation into the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure it can be done (although one could protest it by not going to the ceremony).

bababui · 05-17-2006, 04:11 PM

unworthy..sorry

Twelvefield · 05-17-2006, 04:17 PM

I was allowed into the British Columbia Sports Hall of Fame... after I paid my admission like everyone else. Still, nobody complained. Next stop: Cooperstown!

bababui · 05-17-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Twelvefield

I was allowed into the British Columbia Sports Hall of Fame... after I paid my admission like everyone else. Still, nobody complained. Next stop: Cooperstown!

Isnt Larry Walker the only inductee??

AnthonyGiacalone · 05-17-2006, 05:06 PM

Instead of simple hard-coded requirements, it would be great if the game used something like Bill James' Hall of Fame Monitor as a standard. If a player gets more than 175 points or so then they have a 100% of getting in on the first ballot. If they have 150 points then they have a 90% chance on the first ballot. 125 points is 50% chance etc . . . Guys with only 75 points might max out with a 25% chance after 20 years on the ballot or something like that. Hmm. Maybe I'll do something like that in my own league and then just override the regular HOF.

Doughnuts? · 05-17-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyGiacalone

Instead of simple hard-coded requirements, it would be great if the game used something like Bill James' Hall of Fame Monitor as a standard. If a player gets more than 175 points or so then they have a 100% of getting in on the first ballot. If they have 150 points then they have a 90% chance on the first ballot. 125 points is 50% chance etc . . . Guys with only 75 points might max out with a 25% chance after 20 years on the ballot or something like that. Hmm. Maybe I'll do something like that in my own league and then just override the regular HOF.

It would be nice if some talented mod maker out there could create a program that could take the info from the almanac and run the James' formula automatically. I like your idea a lot, it just seems like a lot of manual calculating to do for a lot of players.

Bishop · 05-17-2006, 05:35 PM

I could be done, FPSBB had the 5 year wait. They also had something like a 'voting system' where players who retired the same year wouldn't all necessarily get in their first eligible year, but could in subsequent years.

So it could be done, just perhaps not 'this year'...unless it's already in the game.

Mattymo · 05-17-2006, 05:55 PM

My thought is, if you are someone that plays with the statistical cursor's, the HoF will never be legitimate. If you have a deadball era, you'll have tons of pitchers but no hitters. However, if you have a league that is very offensively heavy, there will be tons of hitters in the HoF. I want the top players, regardless of what kind of league it is.

jarmenia · 05-17-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Doughnuts?

It would be nice if some talented mod maker out there could create a program that could take the info from the almanac and run the James' formula automatically. I like your idea a lot, it just seems like a lot of manual calculating to do for a lot of players.

I was planning on doing this exact thing. Votes and all.

jm47048 · 05-17-2006, 06:11 PM

I think the voting idea is great.

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 05-17-2006, 06:28 PM

And I vote for Pete Rose to get into the Hall of Fame.

jm47048 · 05-17-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rich12545

And I vote for Pete Rose to get into the Hall of Fame.

HERE HERE!!!!

jm47048 · 05-17-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jm47048

HERE HERE!!!!

Look, all kidding aside, the man had more hits then anyone who ever played the game of baseball. So he shouldn't be in as a manager. We all know that, but the voting for him as a player should not matter based on what he did as a manager. His manager career should not be a factor. People can argue this all day, and I have heard all of the arguments, but I still believe my position to be the right one.

By the same token, Barry Bonds is no. 3 all-time on home runs. I worry (and perahps I am wrong) that he won't get into the Hall because of steriod allagations, something they have never proven, and now with baseball's testing (and I am sure he has been picked "randomly" more often then other players) he has not yet been caught. But I think the press hates his guts, and I think he will have a hard time getting into the Hall. Any thoughts?

Cornelius McGillicuddy · 05-17-2006, 06:57 PM

If he ever comes up positive for steroids then he should not make into the Hall. That would invalidate any records imo. Otherwise, he certainly has had a Hall of Fame career even though I never cared for him.

jm47048 · 05-17-2006, 07:00 PM

I agree withi you Rich. If he was ever caught, the would have a '*' next to his name like Maris did. Now Maris was a different sort of beast. He was chasing Ruth and people liked Mantle. Not the same thing as with Bonds. But as with all of the other home run record chasers (McGwire is the only exception) Bonds is having a tough time and people question his talen. I never cared for him either, but lets face it, no one has proven that 'roids helps your eye, your bat control, and your home-run ability. It may only have prolonged his playing days.

05-17-2006, 03:00 PM	#1
Claymore All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 764	HoF additions? Hi all, I was just curious to what strides have been made to the Hall of Fame aspect of the game. Will players now follow the 5 year waiting requirement? Can players be manually selected in ootp2006 to enter the HoF?

05-17-2006, 03:44 PM	#4
Cras Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: LEO Posts: 3,789	I really hope the 5 year requirement is in. It doesn't seem too hard to code, but I could be wrong. I think it would be cool too if the media would speculate who could get in. __________________ The Chicago White Sox 1906, 1917, 2005 World Series Champions 1900, 1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005 American League Champions 2000, 2005, 2008 American League Central Division Champions 1983, 1993 American League West Division Champions OOTP \| Orbiter \| SSMS \| FSX \| LoL \| MLP:FIM!

05-17-2006, 03:14 PM	#2
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	It'd be nice if there was something in the AI where there were "votes" rather than concrete milestones for HoF induction. I know that might be going out on a limb but, it'd be a nice addition. I figure if they can have a player of the week and month, they could probably add this. At least maybe in a future version.

05-17-2006, 04:11 PM	#7
bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	unworthy..sorry

05-17-2006, 04:17 PM	#8
Twelvefield All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,188	I was allowed into the British Columbia Sports Hall of Fame... after I paid my admission like everyone else. Still, nobody complained. Next stop: Cooperstown!

05-17-2006, 05:06 PM	#10
AnthonyGiacalone Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 98	Instead of simple hard-coded requirements, it would be great if the game used something like Bill James' Hall of Fame Monitor as a standard. If a player gets more than 175 points or so then they have a 100% of getting in on the first ballot. If they have 150 points then they have a 90% chance on the first ballot. 125 points is 50% chance etc . . . Guys with only 75 points might max out with a 25% chance after 20 years on the ballot or something like that. Hmm. Maybe I'll do something like that in my own league and then just override the regular HOF.

05-17-2006, 05:35 PM	#12
Bishop All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tejas Posts: 709	I could be done, FPSBB had the 5 year wait. They also had something like a 'voting system' where players who retired the same year wouldn't all necessarily get in their first eligible year, but could in subsequent years. So it could be done, just perhaps not 'this year'...unless it's already in the game.

05-17-2006, 05:55 PM	#13
Mattymo All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colchester, CT Posts: 1,448	My thought is, if you are someone that plays with the statistical cursor's, the HoF will never be legitimate. If you have a deadball era, you'll have tons of pitchers but no hitters. However, if you have a league that is very offensively heavy, there will be tons of hitters in the HoF. I want the top players, regardless of what kind of league it is.

05-17-2006, 06:11 PM	#15
jm47048 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,247	I think the voting idea is great.

05-17-2006, 06:28 PM	#16
Cornelius McGillicuddy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Playing the inside game Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	And I vote for Pete Rose to get into the Hall of Fame.

05-17-2006, 06:57 PM	#19
Cornelius McGillicuddy Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Playing the inside game Posts: 763 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	If he ever comes up positive for steroids then he should not make into the Hall. That would invalidate any records imo. Otherwise, he certainly has had a Hall of Fame career even though I never cared for him.

05-17-2006, 07:00 PM	#20
jm47048 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,247	I agree withi you Rich. If he was ever caught, the would have a '*' next to his name like Maris did. Now Maris was a different sort of beast. He was chasing Ruth and people liked Mantle. Not the same thing as with Bonds. But as with all of the other home run record chasers (McGwire is the only exception) Bonds is having a tough time and people question his talen. I never cared for him either, but lets face it, no one has proven that 'roids helps your eye, your bat control, and your home-run ability. It may only have prolonged his playing days.