"Game 6" - Michael Keaton Movie

DamnYankees · 03-11-2006, 09:52 PM

Has anyone heard about this or seen it? Ebert and Roeper just reviewed it and said it was amazing - it's the first time I've ever heard of it.

Anyone heard anything?

mauboy · 03-11-2006, 10:01 PM

Looks interesting.

cooper_gd · 03-12-2006, 06:08 AM

http://imdb.com/title/tt0425055/

mauboy · 03-12-2006, 12:46 PM

Keaton got paid a little sum of $100 a day to do the movie.

Malleus Dei · 03-12-2006, 05:56 PM

Wow, now Bill Buckner gets to boot that ground ball - and the World Series - on the silver screen forever.

Buckner will always be the goat, but the REAL goat is, of course, the Red Sox manager of the time, John "Death House" McNamara, who, in an incredbibly stupid move, left Buckner in the game instead of pulling him for his defensive replacement, Dave Stapleton.

Malleus Dei · 03-12-2006, 05:58 PM

"...and now the winning run is on second with two outs, three and two to Mookie Wilson...little roller up along first; behind the bag! It gets through Buckner! Here comes Knight and the Mets win it!"- Vin Scully

DamnYankees · 03-12-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Buckner will always be the goat, but the REAL goat is, of course, the Red Sox manager of the time, John "Death House" McNamara, who, in an incredbibly stupid move, left Buckner in the game instead of pulling him for his defensive replacement, Dave Stapleton.

I've never accepted this. He wanted Buckner to be on the field when they won. He wanted the veteran to be able to have that joy of celebration. I don't blame him at all. This isn't Little/Pedro - defensive replacements, especially at 1B, are not that huge a deal, and you never expect that to lose you the game.

It was Buckner's fault. It wasn't a hard play, and he totally should have made it. It's not like it was a line shot down the stipe that Buckner couldn't dive for due to his age - it was an easy play anyone should have made.

theasfl · 03-12-2006, 06:17 PM

Picture this movie being done before 2004. How does the government go about cleaning up the destruction in Boston?

and Id personally blame the reliever (dont remember the name- I was born in 86, but he had messed up a few games in a row if Im not mistaken) to a degree and Buckner cant take all the blame of the series.

DamnYankees · 03-12-2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by theasfl

Picture this movie being done before 2004. How does the government go about cleaning up the destruction in Boston?

and Id personally blame the reliever (dont remember the name- I was born in 86, but he had messed up a few games in a row if Im not mistaken) to a degree and Buckner cant take all the blame of the series.

Calvin Schiraldi and Bob Stanley were the two relievers.

Malleus Dei · 03-12-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnYankees

I've never accepted this. He wanted Buckner to be on the field when they won. He wanted the veteran to be able to have that joy of celebration. I don't blame him at all. This isn't Little/Pedro - defensive replacements, especially at 1B, are not that huge a deal, and you never expect that to lose you the game.

What's not to accept? It happened. McNamara was one of the worst in-game managers in MLB history, and he made yet another stupid decision. No way Buckner should have stayed in. The failure to pull him cost them the Series.

ESPN periodically reruns the Buckner pre-Series interview in which he talks about losing the Series by letting a ball go between his legs. Talk about foreshadowing!

Dick Schaap reported the horrible decision to keep Buckner in drove the scholarly Bart Giamatti (then NL president but a major Red Sox fan) to a post-game obscenity tirade.

DamnYankees · 03-12-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

What's not to accept? It happened. McNamara was one of the worst in-game managers in MLB history, and he made yet another stupid decision. No way Buckner should have stayed in. The failure to pull him cost them the Series.

ESPN periodically reruns the Buckner pre-Series interview in which he talks about losing the Series by letting a ball go between his legs. Talk about foreshadowing!

Dick Schaap reported the horrible decision to keep Buckner in drove the scholarly Bart Giamatti (then NL president but a major Red Sox fan) to a post-game obscenity tirade.

What I don't accept is that the fault is more on McNamara than on Buckner. That was a very easy play - its not like he was arthritic to the point where he couldn't bend down. He botched the play not because he was left in and he was old - he botched it because he botched it. He made a mistake, and it was Buckner's mistake and Buckner's fault.

abailey3313 · 03-12-2006, 08:30 PM

Michael Keaton is still making movies?!

Malleus Dei · 03-12-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnYankees

What I don't accept is that the fault is more on McNamara than on Buckner. That was a very easy play - its not like he was arthritic to the point where he couldn't bend down. He botched the play not because he was left in and he was old - he botched it because he botched it. He made a mistake, and it was Buckner's mistake and Buckner's fault.

He botched it because he was badly hobbled by injuries. A manager who leaves in an player with known serious injuries bears the responsibility when the injured player can't perform.

This is what Thomas Boswell wrote about Buckner after Game *5*:

"Ever since he hurt his Achilles' tendon in Game 7 of the AL playoffs, he really has been a shadow of a ballplayer."

"He crawls on his belly like a reptile. He couldn't run any worse if his feet were on backward...What's the count on Buckner? Two arms, two legs, no ankles...Who else falls down, then does the backstroke under a popup?"

No way he should have been in there.

Rasmuth · 03-12-2006, 09:50 PM

Buckner shouldn't have been on the field...I don't care if they wanted him in to celebrate or not....my God...Buckner had been plagued by range/fielding robbing injuries for years....he had serious trouble from when he was coming up with the Dodgers....

instead of managing with his head...McNamara managed with his heart and he paid the price...Stapleton should have been in there...

should Buckner have made the play..yes...but you put your team in the best position to win and that was obviously Stapeton...

there were multiple mistakes made...and Buckner's was horrible...but he never should have been in a position to make the error in the first place.

abailey3313 · 03-12-2006, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

"Ever since he hurt his Achilles' tendon in Game 7 of the AL playoffs, he really has been a shadow of a ballplayer."

"He crawls on his belly like a reptile. He couldn't run any worse if his feet were on backward...What's the count on Buckner? Two arms, two legs, no ankles...Who else falls down, then does the backstroke under a popup?"

So then the argument is basically that Buckner was such an incredibly hobbled and useless player at this point that leaving him on the baseball field was detrimental to the team? They were in position to win the game and the series, so I'm not entirely sure how much of that I buy.

And if Buckner makes the play, it's not a bad managerial call. But since he made the mistake of missing an easy grounder, the blame is passed along to the manager? No, I don't buy that either.

sebastian0622 · 03-12-2006, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

So then the argument is basically that Buckner was such an incredibly hobbled and useless player at this point that leaving him on the baseball field was detrimental to the team? They were in position to win the game and the series, so I'm not entirely sure how much of that I buy.

And if Buckner makes the play, it's not a bad managerial call. But since he made the mistake of missing an easy grounder, the blame is passed along to the manager? No, I don't buy that either.

1) What are defensive replacements for?

2) What acceptable excuse is there for not using one in this case?

DamnYankees · 03-12-2006, 10:16 PM

How often do people ever put in defensive replacements at first base? Almost never. It simply isn't that big a deal - it only seems like one because something went wrong.

sebastian0622 · 03-12-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DamnYankees

How often do people ever put in defensive replacements at first base? Almost never. It simply isn't that big a deal - it only seems like one because something went wrong.

How often is anyone, anywhere on the field, as immobile as Buckner was? This wasn't a typical situation, and it was a big deal.

DamnYankees · 03-12-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian0622

How often is anyone, anywhere on the field, as immobile as Buckner was? This wasn't a typical situation, and it was a big deal.

Mobility wasn't the problem on that play - he got to the ball easily. He just didn't get his glove down.

reds1 · 03-12-2006, 11:15 PM

If the movie is anywhere near as good as this discussion, it would clean up at the Oscars.

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mauboy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,906	Looks interesting.

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DamnYankees All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,644	How often do people ever put in defensive replacements at first base? Almost never. It simply isn't that big a deal - it only seems like one because something went wrong.

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