Vince Young Scores a Six?

The Playmaker · 02-26-2006, 01:15 PM

Wow...that must be borderline illiterate

From the Tennesean:

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Young's test result a wonder to scouts

Texas quarterback Vince Young isn't working out at the NFL Combine, but if the buzz here yesterday is true, he may have hurt his draft status significantly without throwing a football.

With pro prospects running and jumping inside the RCA Dome, word outside began to spread that Young scored a six on the Wonderlic test given to prospects.
The 12-minute, 50-multiple choice question test is just one factor teams look at when gauging a player's intelligence. The average score for an NFL prospect is roughly 19.

The NFL doesn't make Wonderlic scores public.

Most draft experts viewed Young as a Top 3 pick. A low Wonderlic score, however, could result in him sliding in the draft if teams believe he is not capable of grasping the myriad of responsibilities of an NFL quarterback.

Players are allowed to take the test multiple times, so Young could take the test again. Word is USC quarterback Matt Leinart scored a 35 on the test, while the results for Vanderbilt QB Jay Cutler were unknown. Cutler scored in the upper-20s on the test before the NFL Combine.

molarmite · 02-26-2006, 01:19 PM

How did they get this if the NFL doesn't make them public?

The Funk · 02-26-2006, 01:25 PM

Perhaps he thought the test was out of ten and that he did quite well.

molarmite · 02-26-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Funk

Perhaps he thought the test was out of ten and that he did quite well.

Even 6 out of 10 is not good.

The Playmaker · 02-26-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

How did they get this if the NFL doesn't make them public?

Maybe someone found a bunch of scouts in a corner laughing hysterically and went to ask what was going on?

drprestwood · 02-26-2006, 01:29 PM

6 out of 10 is actually quite good. a score of 30 would be well above average.

molarmite · 02-26-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by drprestwood

6 out of 10 is actually quite good. a score of 30 would be well above average.

I guess if you look at it like that, but 6 out of 10 is 60% and at my school that's failing.

The Funk · 02-26-2006, 01:49 PM

For a typical NFL athlete it's positively genius though.

Skipaway · 02-26-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

How did they get this if the NFL doesn't make them public?

Teams are of course getting this. To leak information against a prospect is a good way to justify not drafting him in front of the public.

Skipaway · 02-26-2006, 01:57 PM

I for one would definitely leak a story like this if I hold a high pick and is pressured to draft Vince Young by the local crowd.

molarmite · 02-26-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

Teams are of course getting this. To leak information against a prospect is a good way to justify not drafting him in front of the public.

Ok, that makes sense. This is definitly not good news for him.

Delgadodawg · 02-26-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by molarmite

but 6 out of 10 is 60%

Pretty Impressive. I think you would do really well on the test.

Skipaway · 02-26-2006, 02:14 PM

A story about how Young is compared to Vick by lots of people, and how that is a bad thing.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/13941707.htm

Also with this quote:

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Said an NFC pro personnel man: "There'd be a much bigger comfort level with Young if he had played in a pro-style offense. But guys come out of different settings and do fine. If he convinces people in the interviews and the testing that he's smart enough, that won't scare people. They'll figure they can help him figure it out as he goes along. They'll give him a lot of blackboard work, a lot of video work before the draft."

Also this:

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"The most disturbing thing I read was a quote from Mack Brown where he said when he finally stopped trying to push multiple reads on (Young), that's when his natural athletic ability came out," he said. "In other words, Mack Brown stopped coaching the kid, and that's when he became a better player. And while that's probably true, it would scare the heck out of me if I'm an NFL head coach or offensive coordinator. Because I'm going to demand that he learn his progressions and go through them. Because that's how he's going to get me to a Super Bowl. That's how he's going to become a better quarterback."

Not looking that good.

KurtBevacqua · 02-26-2006, 02:16 PM

I seem to recall McNair scored like a 12 and there was a lot of doubt on him because of that. Also, I think Marino only scored a 14 or 15. Much ado about nothing here.

Skipaway · 02-26-2006, 02:20 PM

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

Take a look of the test. It's hard to be 6.

And 12 is nothing like 6!

QuestGAV · 02-26-2006, 02:24 PM

There's a massive difference between a 6 and a 12 though. Especially if that's combined with an inability to grasp the nuances of the position at the college level that's a Texas-sized red flag that ought to be going off in your head. Like Vick, he could still be a useful player in the NFL, just don't expect him to get better at reading defenses, just as you wouldn't expect Peyton Manning to improve his 40 time after entering the league.

The Oz · 02-26-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

If those questions are any indication of the actual test it must be damn near impossible to score a 6. With true/false questions & multiple choice questions of 3 or 4 possible answers, blind guessing would probably net you a 6. If I were the owner of a lucrative university, I would be ashamed someone like that could get in my school, let alone last 3 years in it. Don't they have an ACT/SAT requirement for enrollment?

UngratefulDead · 02-26-2006, 03:52 PM

Imagine if these guys had actually had to do work in high school or college!

molarmite · 02-26-2006, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Oz

If those questions are any indication of the actual test it must be damn near impossible to score a 6. With true/false questions & multiple choice questions of 3 or 4 possible answers, blind guessing would probably net you a 6. If I were the owner of a lucrative university, I would be ashamed someone like that could get in my school, let alone last 3 years in it. Don't they have an ACT/SAT requirement for enrollment?

Well when you get a fullride scholarship for football, ACT/SAT doesn't really matter.

Skipaway · 02-26-2006, 03:59 PM

Some more sample questions from Wonderlic website:

http://www.wonderlic.com/pdf/wpt.pdf

Looks similar to those on ESPN.

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KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I seem to recall McNair scored like a 12 and there was a lot of doubt on him because of that. Also, I think Marino only scored a 14 or 15. Much ado about nothing here. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

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drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	6 out of 10 is actually quite good. a score of 30 would be well above average.

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html Take a look of the test. It's hard to be 6. And 12 is nothing like 6! __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

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QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,008	There's a massive difference between a 6 and a 12 though. Especially if that's combined with an inability to grasp the nuances of the position at the college level that's a Texas-sized red flag that ought to be going off in your head. Like Vick, he could still be a useful player in the NFL, just don't expect him to get better at reading defenses, just as you wouldn't expect Peyton Manning to improve his 40 time after entering the league.

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UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	Imagine if these guys had actually had to do work in high school or college!

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Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	Some more sample questions from Wonderlic website: http://www.wonderlic.com/pdf/wpt.pdf Looks similar to those on ESPN. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.