ATLBraves Roster Set coming out...

atlbraves · 12-30-2005, 11:32 PM

Hey guys,

I know Halofan and Cubbyfan have been releasing great roster sets so far (props to them), so I decided to give you guys one more extra set. Keep in mind, this is my first time doing this so hopefully if I make mistakes, I can learn from it.

Don't worry though; I have been playing OOTP for quite a long time with real roster sets whether its in an online league or my own franchise. I have a sense of what rating each player should get (don't worry I won't rate Johan Santana 50-60-50 and I won't rate Dan Kolb 90-80-90

) and I have been following the minors avidly as well (Waiting for John Sickels Prospect Book or BA Handbook but I still have a lot of Prospect IQ). Note: I'm basing my roster set off Halofan's and adjusting the contract, ratings, and other stuff. If I make all these players from scratch, it will take me forever.

I will be finishing the ratings first for 2005 so hopefully I can preview it to you guys as soon as possible and you guys can give me some feedback. After that, I'll do the statistics and release my roster set file. I'm planning on releasing this spring since I want to spend as much time on it and get all the information and feedback I need to make this roster set as good as possible. Again, this is my first time doing it and if anybody can give me tips on how to make a roster set that fulfills your exceptations or any suggestions on player ratings, please contact me. (has to be sensible though; nothing like I think some random player that nobody has heard of will be the next Johan Santana).

You can contact me by PM, email (bakboardbreakurr@yahoo.com), or AIM SN (nerdyguy27).

CubbyFan23 · 12-31-2005, 12:50 AM

Lookin forward to checking it out! If you need any help with anything you can get ahold of me on AIM at NIBABaseball

Cowboys3356 · 12-31-2005, 10:57 AM

It seems like there are plenty of current roster sets out there, I wish more people would focus on the historical stuff instead of overloading everyone with 100 current roster sets that are ALL based off what Halofan did. If I was Halofan, I would be tired of people ripping off my roster set and passing it off as their own. You say that building a new roster set from scratch would "take forever"...well DUH yes it does and that is the point. As someone who has created numerous roster sets from scratch I know the work that goes into it and only greatness can be reached when you do the work on your own.

atlbraves · 12-31-2005, 11:42 AM

Many, many people have copied Halofan's roster set and changed it to make it theirs without telling them that Halofan orginially made the work. Thats why I wanted to give Halofan the credit cause I don't want to rip off him if I don't say anything.

CubbyFan23 · 12-31-2005, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

It seems like there are plenty of current roster sets out there, I wish more people would focus on the historical stuff instead of overloading everyone with 100 current roster sets that are ALL based off what Halofan did. If I was Halofan, I would be tired of people ripping off my roster set and passing it off as their own. You say that building a new roster set from scratch would "take forever"...well DUH yes it does and that is the point. As someone who has created numerous roster sets from scratch I know the work that goes into it and only greatness can be reached when you do the work on your own.

I hope this isn't some sort of shot at me. I initially gave Halo credit three years ago when I used his set as a building block, and since that time, I think I've probably went through and manually edited every player on my own anyway. Comments like this piss me off a bit.

EDIT: As a side, why should I go through and manually put in every guy's stats and information, when there is a base there for me to work with? I should waste my time just for the hell of it so I can say oh HEY! I did this all by myself! No thanks. I've probably put over 50-60 hours into this '06 project alone, let alone how many countless ones I spent last year when I had no idea what I was doing, so if you really want to claim that I'm not building my own roster set, I don't know what else to tell you.

atlbraves · 12-31-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

I hope this isn't some sort of shot at me. I initially gave Halo credit three years ago when I used his set as a building block, and since that time, I think I've probably went through and manually edited every player on my own anyway. Comments like this piss me off a bit.

EDIT: As a side, why should I go through and manually put in every guy's stats and information, when there is a base there for me to work with? I should waste my time just for the hell of it so I can say oh HEY! I did this all by myself! No thanks. I've probably put over 50-60 hours into this '06 project alone, let alone how many countless ones I spent last year when I had no idea what I was doing, so if you really want to claim that I'm not building my own roster set, I don't know what else to tell you.

Yeah I was sort of pissed off also. I agree with you; I seen many roster sets where they claim that they made each player from scratch when obviously they used Halofan's and someone elses without any credit at all. This is why I'm telling you guys beforehand that I'm basing off Halofan's work so he at least gets some credit for all the hard work he has done. I had to base it off someone's work other wise it will probably take me around 10 Hours a day until Spring just to get a new roster set out. I don't have the time nowadays but when I have some free time and feel lazy, I will be working on the roster set. Last time I check, there was only 3 roster set developers that are going to do 2006 sets and there isn't "100" like he said. Also, the dude wants more historical sets... and he should make one himself... not sit here and belittling other roster sets developer for not giving him what he wants.

OfficerTC · 01-01-2006, 11:28 AM

Just ignore Cowboys, I'm sure he only had his hard drive to spend New Years with. Sometimes losers in life come to the boards to be "cool"

halofan26 · 01-01-2006, 02:14 PM

well before this gets out of hand lol

let me defend Cowboys here....i have known him for around 4-5 years (i think) and he has just seen a ton of people making sets of current players which is where he got the "100" number from as i would bet that there is less than 100, but i would bet there is close to 50 of them out there.

I will also defend cubby and atl because if they want to make a set.....go for it!! I recommend that everyone try it and see just how tough it is. People like Cubby and Toadfreak know that it takes a TON of work, and they didnt start from scratch.

I have OCD when it comes to my set and i feel a HUGE sense of accomplishment when i finished my first set from scratch, but as i have said, i spent so much time re-doing it based on the opinions of others and it was just WAY too much, being that i worked for almost 2 years on my set, and then people turn and bashed the hell out of it, so i went with the method i have been using for close to 2 years now, with damn good results if i do say so myself.

I choose to not do historical rosters tho as i feel that this particular area is best suited for Cowboys as i feel his work is awesome.

There was a fine gentleman named CBL that put out awesome work but has since "retired" in a way from the set making.

Cubby did give me credit the last time i remember him releasing a set, and he was the only one that gave me credit (that i know of), when it wasnt asked for or when there wasnt a user on the boards going to bat for me.

I will say this to ALL people that want to make a set.......

DONT BASE IT OFF OPINIONS OF THE USERS!!!! Im telling you, you will be adjusting ALLLLLLL day and night! I promise you that! You need to find a "formula" or "method" that works for you and go with that. No knock on any of the users opinions, but a perfect example of this would be a discussion i had in my thread about Betancourt or Pie.........Baseball America, ESPN, CBS sportsline and even the site i contribute to for fantasy baseball has him rated high, even tho my opinion differs, but luckily, i dont cover the Cubs

....Pie is gonna be nothing more than a Tom Goodwin type player, with a much better glove...He isnt going to give much power, even in Wrigley, hell he could play in Coors Field and ill bet he still doesnt hit 10 HRs...ill put a large sum of money on this also. I have a scout friend of mine that works for a NL Central club (im not allowed to give names tho) and he has bashed Pie and compares him to Alex "steroids doenst fix defense" Sanchez with less speed!!

Also, the HUGE Betancourt debate! This cat can field, ill say that much. He is NO WHERE near Ozzie Smith or even Pokey Reese defensively, but he will get better in Safeco. The guy CANT HIT! He will hit .280-.290, every year probably, mostly because of his speed, even tho he doesnt steal as much as he should. He reminds me alot of Christian Guzman, just better bat control. I know him personally and have talked (albeit in Spanish only) to him tons of times when he was with San Antonio, and i STILL say he would benefit from moving to 2b and leaving Guillen at SS, but this is just an opinion. But ill put money on it.

Look, the point of all this psycho babble #$%^$ is that you need to find something that works for you and stick with it or you will have NO life! I am married...with children so i dont have one, i drive a mini-van for crying out loud.

I am also more than willing, and have said this millions of times, to host sets on my site, however no one asks.

pseudofool · 01-01-2006, 05:18 PM

Giving credit where credit is due is important. But as long as no money is exchanging hands the point is really moot. Halofan, I'm sure, realizes when he released his set orginally a couple of years ago, that others would use it as a base, afterall this is the Internet, its really hard to OWN information here (which is a good thing). If anything Halofan should take it as a compliment that so many rosters are based off his sets. I personally like having variety, not knocking Halofans work, but the methodology leaves something to be desired as far as prospects. So the variety of roster sets, whether based on opinion, speculation, BA, Sickels, or what have you, gives the users of OOTP the ability to find a MLB reality that sits well with them. This is a good thing! And it's encouraging that Cubbyfan, Halofan and others are willing to not only share their work but help others complete similar projects, in fact I find it inspiring.

Not to soapbox, but the modding community is in theoritical opposition to the increasing complex and expansive copy right laws laid down by coporations and their conglumarates, copyrighting everything from ideas to language to seeds to recipes to biological units of life. The modding community ought to be proud of itself to shed off the idea of ownership, because whether you think so our not, while one may work hard on a singular project, a world of of ideas (wrought through others hardwork) contributes to and makes possible that singular project. Kudos to Halofan, Cubbyfan, and other modders who contribute to what I think, whether they know it or not, is a small, but important, cultural revolution.

This Is Not Here · 01-01-2006, 10:39 PM

I don't see what the big uproar is here. He's doing what countless others have done - he's taking the roster set put out by someone and then altering to his own liking and re-releasing it for anyone else who wants to try it out. He's giving credit, which is more than what most people do in this sort of situation.
Until I hear Halofan himself states he's unhappy with this, I could care less what anyone else says about it. All this stuff is posted under "OOTP Mods" for a reason - they're all about modifications of previously existing things.

He gave his credit to Halofan, he's got nothing to gain by doing this (as he isn't charging for the rosters) so let him be.

I say good luck to your ATLBraves.

GForce · 01-01-2006, 11:07 PM

For all the years I did TotalMinors, all I asked was that people acknowledged they were basing their work off of mine. From that point, they were pretty much free to do what they wanted, and I fully expected it because after the countless hours it took to do TotalMinors in the detail I did (and just because because I think it's silly) I had no inclination to update rosters throughout the season. Why should you start a season with a player your team didn't really acquire until July? So other guys - be it my work for High Heat, OOTP or MVP - always took my work and made changes, then posted it. Some gave the credit they should have, most didn't until I called them on it. But eventually you just learn to accept it.

Credit should be given to whoever you base the set off. It should be part of the readme file. It needn't be a ass-kissing festival, but it certainly should be included prominently as common courtesy.

The whole "from scratch" thing I find a bit silly...why retype names and re-enter positions, etc. Adding time-consuming things That serves nobody, so I've always found the "from scratch" thing a bit of garbage to harp on, but that's just me.

Just use your head and have some courtesy...it's really pretty basic.

Good luck with your projects.

GH

atlbraves · 01-02-2006, 10:15 AM

Thanks guys. I was trying to make a thread about my new roster set coming up and I don't know how it ended up like this lol. I'll probably be making a new thread about the progress I have made and hopefully won't get carried away with comments like Cowboy.

halofan26 · 01-02-2006, 01:33 PM

sorry Gforce, but "from scratch" gives me a greater sense of accomplishment, and i harp on it because i have defended myself for years when people think i just edit ratings, but i choose to go from nothing to something because then i dont have to give anyone credit for my work, as silly and as garbage filled as it is...i will push the fact that i started with nothing when it comes up and i could care less what anyone feels on that end as i felt great after it...i also pointed out that people were quick to bash almost 2 years of my work because of an opinion, which is why i push that.

now with that said, i extend the invite to host on my site as well

GForce · 01-02-2006, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halofan26

sorry Gforce, but "from scratch" gives me a greater sense of accomplishment, and i harp on it because i have defended myself for years when people think i just edit ratings, but i choose to go from nothing to something because then i dont have to give anyone credit for my work, as silly and as garbage filled as it is...i will push the fact that i started with nothing when it comes up and i could care less what anyone feels on that end as i felt great after it...i also pointed out that people were quick to bash almost 2 years of my work because of an opinion, which is why i push that.

now with that said, i extend the invite to host on my site as well

You're certainly entitled to tout that if you feel it makes a big difference, makes you feel better, whatever. Other than guys from the Lahman import, which is what I started from, I created all the minor leaguers and anyone else, including draftees, etc. "from scratch," so believe me, you don't need to tell me how much work it takes.

But with that said, I sure as hell wouldn't expect someone wanting to do a full minor league set with the depth of TotalMinors to delete all the guys I created and re-enter the names, positions, ht/wt, etc. and assign them to the teams when I already had all of that done. That would just be silly, time-consuming nonsense, which I guess is why I never made a big deal about the "from scratch" thing. The depth of my ratings were what made the set what it was, not the extraneous stuff that didn't impact the game at all.

Anyway, it's a moot point. I just hope people give credit where appropriate, and I leave it at that.

GH

12-30-2005, 11:32 PM	#1
atlbraves Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 315	ATLBraves Roster Set coming out... Hey guys, I know Halofan and Cubbyfan have been releasing great roster sets so far (props to them), so I decided to give you guys one more extra set. Keep in mind, this is my first time doing this so hopefully if I make mistakes, I can learn from it. Don't worry though; I have been playing OOTP for quite a long time with real roster sets whether its in an online league or my own franchise. I have a sense of what rating each player should get (don't worry I won't rate Johan Santana 50-60-50 and I won't rate Dan Kolb 90-80-90) and I have been following the minors avidly as well (Waiting for John Sickels Prospect Book or BA Handbook but I still have a lot of Prospect IQ). Note: I'm basing my roster set off Halofan's and adjusting the contract, ratings, and other stuff. If I make all these players from scratch, it will take me forever. I will be finishing the ratings first for 2005 so hopefully I can preview it to you guys as soon as possible and you guys can give me some feedback. After that, I'll do the statistics and release my roster set file. I'm planning on releasing this spring since I want to spend as much time on it and get all the information and feedback I need to make this roster set as good as possible. Again, this is my first time doing it and if anybody can give me tips on how to make a roster set that fulfills your exceptations or any suggestions on player ratings, please contact me. (has to be sensible though; nothing like I think some random player that nobody has heard of will be the next Johan Santana). You can contact me by PM, email (bakboardbreakurr@yahoo.com), or AIM SN (nerdyguy27). Last edited by atlbraves; 12-30-2005 at 11:35 PM.

01-01-2006, 02:14 PM	#8
halofan26 All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anaheim, Ca Posts: 1,491	well before this gets out of hand lol let me defend Cowboys here....i have known him for around 4-5 years (i think) and he has just seen a ton of people making sets of current players which is where he got the "100" number from as i would bet that there is less than 100, but i would bet there is close to 50 of them out there. I will also defend cubby and atl because if they want to make a set.....go for it!! I recommend that everyone try it and see just how tough it is. People like Cubby and Toadfreak know that it takes a TON of work, and they didnt start from scratch. I have OCD when it comes to my set and i feel a HUGE sense of accomplishment when i finished my first set from scratch, but as i have said, i spent so much time re-doing it based on the opinions of others and it was just WAY too much, being that i worked for almost 2 years on my set, and then people turn and bashed the hell out of it, so i went with the method i have been using for close to 2 years now, with damn good results if i do say so myself. I choose to not do historical rosters tho as i feel that this particular area is best suited for Cowboys as i feel his work is awesome. There was a fine gentleman named CBL that put out awesome work but has since "retired" in a way from the set making. Cubby did give me credit the last time i remember him releasing a set, and he was the only one that gave me credit (that i know of), when it wasnt asked for or when there wasnt a user on the boards going to bat for me. I will say this to ALL people that want to make a set....... DONT BASE IT OFF OPINIONS OF THE USERS!!!! Im telling you, you will be adjusting ALLLLLLL day and night! I promise you that! You need to find a "formula" or "method" that works for you and go with that. No knock on any of the users opinions, but a perfect example of this would be a discussion i had in my thread about Betancourt or Pie.........Baseball America, ESPN, CBS sportsline and even the site i contribute to for fantasy baseball has him rated high, even tho my opinion differs, but luckily, i dont cover the Cubs ....Pie is gonna be nothing more than a Tom Goodwin type player, with a much better glove...He isnt going to give much power, even in Wrigley, hell he could play in Coors Field and ill bet he still doesnt hit 10 HRs...ill put a large sum of money on this also. I have a scout friend of mine that works for a NL Central club (im not allowed to give names tho) and he has bashed Pie and compares him to Alex "steroids doenst fix defense" Sanchez with less speed!! Also, the HUGE Betancourt debate! This cat can field, ill say that much. He is NO WHERE near Ozzie Smith or even Pokey Reese defensively, but he will get better in Safeco. The guy CANT HIT! He will hit .280-.290, every year probably, mostly because of his speed, even tho he doesnt steal as much as he should. He reminds me alot of Christian Guzman, just better bat control. I know him personally and have talked (albeit in Spanish only) to him tons of times when he was with San Antonio, and i STILL say he would benefit from moving to 2b and leaving Guillen at SS, but this is just an opinion. But ill put money on it. Look, the point of all this psycho babble #$%^$ is that you need to find something that works for you and stick with it or you will have NO life! I am married...with children so i dont have one, i drive a mini-van for crying out loud. I am also more than willing, and have said this millions of times, to host sets on my site, however no one asks. __________________ Mike Lambert Sim League Central President Home of the Halofan roster set THE best baseball info and fan site ever The best Angels fan site "Because i got high" - Afroman

01-01-2006, 05:18 PM	#9
pseudofool Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 232	Credit where credit is due Giving credit where credit is due is important. But as long as no money is exchanging hands the point is really moot. Halofan, I'm sure, realizes when he released his set orginally a couple of years ago, that others would use it as a base, afterall this is the Internet, its really hard to OWN information here (which is a good thing). If anything Halofan should take it as a compliment that so many rosters are based off his sets. I personally like having variety, not knocking Halofans work, but the methodology leaves something to be desired as far as prospects. So the variety of roster sets, whether based on opinion, speculation, BA, Sickels, or what have you, gives the users of OOTP the ability to find a MLB reality that sits well with them. This is a good thing! And it's encouraging that Cubbyfan, Halofan and others are willing to not only share their work but help others complete similar projects, in fact I find it inspiring. Not to soapbox, but the modding community is in theoritical opposition to the increasing complex and expansive copy right laws laid down by coporations and their conglumarates, copyrighting everything from ideas to language to seeds to recipes to biological units of life. The modding community ought to be proud of itself to shed off the idea of ownership, because whether you think so our not, while one may work hard on a singular project, a world of of ideas (wrought through others hardwork) contributes to and makes possible that singular project. Kudos to Halofan, Cubbyfan, and other modders who contribute to what I think, whether they know it or not, is a small, but important, cultural revolution. Last edited by pseudofool; 01-01-2006 at 05:20 PM.

01-01-2006, 10:39 PM	#10
This Is Not Here Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 328	I don't see what the big uproar is here. He's doing what countless others have done - he's taking the roster set put out by someone and then altering to his own liking and re-releasing it for anyone else who wants to try it out. He's giving credit, which is more than what most people do in this sort of situation. Until I hear Halofan himself states he's unhappy with this, I could care less what anyone else says about it. All this stuff is posted under "OOTP Mods" for a reason - they're all about modifications of previously existing things. He gave his credit to Halofan, he's got nothing to gain by doing this (as he isn't charging for the rosters) so let him be. I say good luck to your ATLBraves. __________________

01-02-2006, 01:33 PM	#13
halofan26 All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Anaheim, Ca Posts: 1,491	sorry Gforce, but "from scratch" gives me a greater sense of accomplishment, and i harp on it because i have defended myself for years when people think i just edit ratings, but i choose to go from nothing to something because then i dont have to give anyone credit for my work, as silly and as garbage filled as it is...i will push the fact that i started with nothing when it comes up and i could care less what anyone feels on that end as i felt great after it...i also pointed out that people were quick to bash almost 2 years of my work because of an opinion, which is why i push that. now with that said, i extend the invite to host on my site as well __________________ Mike Lambert Sim League Central President Home of the Halofan roster set THE best baseball info and fan site ever The best Angels fan site "Because i got high" - Afroman Last edited by halofan26; 01-02-2006 at 01:39 PM.

12-31-2005, 12:50 AM	#2
CubbyFan23 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: St. Louis, Missouri Posts: 2,257	Lookin forward to checking it out! If you need any help with anything you can get ahold of me on AIM at NIBABaseball

12-31-2005, 10:57 AM	#3
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	It seems like there are plenty of current roster sets out there, I wish more people would focus on the historical stuff instead of overloading everyone with 100 current roster sets that are ALL based off what Halofan did. If I was Halofan, I would be tired of people ripping off my roster set and passing it off as their own. You say that building a new roster set from scratch would "take forever"...well DUH yes it does and that is the point. As someone who has created numerous roster sets from scratch I know the work that goes into it and only greatness can be reached when you do the work on your own.

12-31-2005, 11:42 AM	#4
atlbraves Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 315	Many, many people have copied Halofan's roster set and changed it to make it theirs without telling them that Halofan orginially made the work. Thats why I wanted to give Halofan the credit cause I don't want to rip off him if I don't say anything.

01-01-2006, 11:28 AM	#7
OfficerTC Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Syracuse Posts: 154	Just ignore Cowboys, I'm sure he only had his hard drive to spend New Years with. Sometimes losers in life come to the boards to be "cool"

01-01-2006, 11:07 PM	#11
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	For all the years I did TotalMinors, all I asked was that people acknowledged they were basing their work off of mine. From that point, they were pretty much free to do what they wanted, and I fully expected it because after the countless hours it took to do TotalMinors in the detail I did (and just because because I think it's silly) I had no inclination to update rosters throughout the season. Why should you start a season with a player your team didn't really acquire until July? So other guys - be it my work for High Heat, OOTP or MVP - always took my work and made changes, then posted it. Some gave the credit they should have, most didn't until I called them on it. But eventually you just learn to accept it. Credit should be given to whoever you base the set off. It should be part of the readme file. It needn't be a ass-kissing festival, but it certainly should be included prominently as common courtesy. The whole "from scratch" thing I find a bit silly...why retype names and re-enter positions, etc. Adding time-consuming things That serves nobody, so I've always found the "from scratch" thing a bit of garbage to harp on, but that's just me. Just use your head and have some courtesy...it's really pretty basic. Good luck with your projects. GH

01-02-2006, 10:15 AM	#12
atlbraves Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 315	Thanks guys. I was trying to make a thread about my new roster set coming up and I don't know how it ended up like this lol. I'll probably be making a new thread about the progress I have made and hopefully won't get carried away with comments like Cowboy.