FA Bug

Another Mike D · 12-23-2005, 03:26 PM

I am helping an owner in my league enter offers. He offered 4M x 4 on a player on Day 26. On day 27, he decided he really didn't want said player, so I offered him a minor league contract. On day 28, he was still leading, when I clicked on show offers, it had him down for a MLC offer. When I advanced the day, he signed with said team for 4M x 4. This happened with another player as well, he offered 3M x 3 on the first day, changed it 3.5M x 3 the next day, then the following day the player signed for 3M x 3.

What gives?

Another Mike D · 12-23-2005, 03:31 PM

Very odd, happened with another player. He was offered 10M x 6, I changed it to an MLC, when I tried to bid with another team, it said the original team was still his favorite, despite being an MLC. When I clicked on show offers, it had him down as MLC, but next to it said "withdraw offer" indicating he was leading. I'm sure if I waited another day, he would've gone for 10M x 6, despite there being no such offer anymore.

This is the newest version, but there were reports of this in my league with the prior versions (6.12 and 6.5) as well. We start FA at day 26, and do one day at a time.

sporr · 12-23-2005, 10:17 PM

I'm a little confused....an offer is made and you withdraw the offer and offer a MLC instead? Who is offering the contract?

Derek4jc · 12-24-2005, 12:00 PM

Yeah, are you withdrawing the offer or just offering a MLC on top of the much better offer?

Another Mike D · 12-24-2005, 01:03 PM

Ok, so the original offer was 4M x 4. The GM didn't really want to offer that and it was tying up 4M he could spend elsewhere. So instead of withrawing the offer, he offered him a minor league contract on the next day, supposedly overwriting the 4M x 4. The player didn't sign with anyone the next day, and when I hit show offers, it had him being offered a minor league contract. The next day, he signs with that team for 4M x 4. Obviously, once you are leading on an offer, I assume you can only withdraw the offer, not offer him less? This poses a slight problem for a less severe case, say you offer a guy 7M contract, and decide later you only want to offer him 4M. Apparently, if you offer him a 4M contract, he will still sign for the original 7M. Kind of makes being able to change your offers useless if you can only go higher.

disposableheros · 12-24-2005, 06:34 PM

i dont know of any MLB players that would accept a lower offer after being offered a higher one from the same team

mrbill · 12-24-2005, 10:03 PM

I certainly have seen weird behavior in my online 6.51 (no letter at the time) league but couldn't pin it down.

I offered 7.25 x 5 to a guy, then upped my offer out of fear of being outbid. I bid 8x5 the next day, and someone else bid 7.5x5 (so they said), and he signed with me (which makes sense). But, he signed for 7.25x5, which is why the other GM was up in arms.

At first I thought the offers werent processed, but then I checked and other bids I put in the same FTP export were there, so my 8x5 was offered and not accepted.

I haven't done any extensive testing with this though, but I imagine it wouldn't be hard to make a bunch of offers, then up them all and see which ones people actually signed for.

sporr · 12-25-2005, 12:42 AM

Yes, I believe that once you make an offer to a player you are not allowed to lower it. Same goes with extension offers.

Another Mike D · 12-27-2005, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sporr

Yes, I believe that once you make an offer to a player you are not allowed to lower it. Same goes with extension offers.

That's pretty silly, considering it ties up money for bidding on other players. If you have big 6M on a guy and you aren't leading, there isn't any reason why you shouldn't be allowed to withdraw it to use the money elsewhere.

Thanks for responding so quickly though.

sporr · 12-27-2005, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Another Mike D

That's pretty silly, considering it ties up money for bidding on other players. If you have big 6M on a guy and you aren't leading, there isn't any reason why you shouldn't be allowed to withdraw it to use the money elsewhere.

Thanks for responding so quickly though.

You can't lower the offer, but you are allowed to withdraw it. The way I read your posting, you were offering a lower amount instead of withdrawing the offer altogether. Also, when you withdraw an offer, the player won't entertain any more offers from you.

endgame · 12-27-2005, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sporr

You can't lower the offer, but you are allowed to withdraw it. The way I read your posting, you were offering a lower amount instead of withdrawing the offer altogether. Also, when you withdraw an offer, the player won't entertain any more offers from you.

I don't think you can withdraw it unless you occupy the leading bid position. Once you've committed to an offer and unfortunately fall to 2nd highest or less, there is no opportunity - under normal gameflow - to take that offer back. The money is tied up until the player signs.

sporr · 12-27-2005, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

I don't think you can withdraw it unless you occupy the leading bid position. Once you've committed to an offer and unfortunately fall to 2nd highest or less, there is no opportunity - under normal gameflow - to take that offer back. The money is tied up until the player signs.

Yep, you're right. I was thinking in terms of having highest bid, which now that I reread is not the case in every one of these examples.

Another Mike D · 12-28-2005, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sporr

Yep, you're right. I was thinking in terms of having highest bid, which now that I reread is not the case in every one of these examples.

Yeah, sorry....was going through multiple issues. The not being able to lower your bid without withdrawing it makes sense when you are leading, but doesn't make sense if you aren't leading. I think there should be a way to withdraw your offer if you aren't leading, as if you lower it to get more revenue available, you still might end up with the guy at your original offer if the other team withdraws.

sfgiants88 · 12-29-2005, 04:39 AM

I thought offers in which you are not the highest bidder do not count against your "money left for FA?"

Another Mike D · 08-11-2006, 09:42 AM

nvm: starting new thread...

12-23-2005, 03:26 PM	#1
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	FA Bug I am helping an owner in my league enter offers. He offered 4M x 4 on a player on Day 26. On day 27, he decided he really didn't want said player, so I offered him a minor league contract. On day 28, he was still leading, when I clicked on show offers, it had him down for a MLC offer. When I advanced the day, he signed with said team for 4M x 4. This happened with another player as well, he offered 3M x 3 on the first day, changed it 3.5M x 3 the next day, then the following day the player signed for 3M x 3. What gives? __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

12-23-2005, 03:31 PM	#2
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	Very odd, happened with another player. He was offered 10M x 6, I changed it to an MLC, when I tried to bid with another team, it said the original team was still his favorite, despite being an MLC. When I clicked on show offers, it had him down as MLC, but next to it said "withdraw offer" indicating he was leading. I'm sure if I waited another day, he would've gone for 10M x 6, despite there being no such offer anymore. This is the newest version, but there were reports of this in my league with the prior versions (6.12 and 6.5) as well. We start FA at day 26, and do one day at a time. __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

12-24-2005, 01:03 PM	#5
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	Ok, so the original offer was 4M x 4. The GM didn't really want to offer that and it was tying up 4M he could spend elsewhere. So instead of withrawing the offer, he offered him a minor league contract on the next day, supposedly overwriting the 4M x 4. The player didn't sign with anyone the next day, and when I hit show offers, it had him being offered a minor league contract. The next day, he signs with that team for 4M x 4. Obviously, once you are leading on an offer, I assume you can only withdraw the offer, not offer him less? This poses a slight problem for a less severe case, say you offer a guy 7M contract, and decide later you only want to offer him 4M. Apparently, if you offer him a 4M contract, he will still sign for the original 7M. Kind of makes being able to change your offers useless if you can only go higher. __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League

12-24-2005, 06:34 PM	#6
disposableheros Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 4,332	i dont know of any MLB players that would accept a lower offer after being offered a higher one from the same team __________________ 2 Wild Cards, 11 Division Champs, 4 League Champs, 3 World Champs, and 3 Best GM awards Baseball Maelstrom - New York Mets - 180-149 .547 Corporate League Baseball - Coke Buzz - 889-649 .578 Western Hemisphere Baseball League - Santiago Saints - 672-793 .459 Record - 2428-2271 .517

12-24-2005, 10:03 PM	#7
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	I certainly have seen weird behavior in my online 6.51 (no letter at the time) league but couldn't pin it down. I offered 7.25 x 5 to a guy, then upped my offer out of fear of being outbid. I bid 8x5 the next day, and someone else bid 7.5x5 (so they said), and he signed with me (which makes sense). But, he signed for 7.25x5, which is why the other GM was up in arms. At first I thought the offers werent processed, but then I checked and other bids I put in the same FTP export were there, so my 8x5 was offered and not accepted. I haven't done any extensive testing with this though, but I imagine it wouldn't be hard to make a bunch of offers, then up them all and see which ones people actually signed for. __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

12-23-2005, 10:17 PM	#3
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I'm a little confused....an offer is made and you withdraw the offer and offer a MLC instead? Who is offering the contract?

12-24-2005, 12:00 PM	#4
Derek4jc Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2004 Location: Attleboro, MA Posts: 238	Yeah, are you withdrawing the offer or just offering a MLC on top of the much better offer?

12-25-2005, 12:42 AM	#8
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	Yes, I believe that once you make an offer to a player you are not allowed to lower it. Same goes with extension offers.

12-29-2005, 04:39 AM	#14
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	I thought offers in which you are not the highest bidder do not count against your "money left for FA?"

08-11-2006, 09:42 AM	#15
Another Mike D All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: atl Posts: 891	nvm: starting new thread... __________________ San Diego Padres NexGen Baseball League Cleveland Indians United Baseball League Co-commissioner of United Baseball League Last edited by Another Mike D; 08-11-2006 at 09:47 AM.