When A Guy's Overall is a Lot Higher than his Talent...

[Tito]

...will he revert to his talent or is the tendency that the talent will catch up to the overall?

Case in point:
http://narbl.ootp-online.com/rblweb/p1419.html

Pitching Stuff Control Movement Velocity
Overall 10 5 8
Versus LHB 10 4 8
Versus RHB 10 5 8
Talent 8 5 3

8 5 3 talent isn't good but the current overall is awesome for this league.

[DiMaggio5CF]

It's Nomo . . . he sucks.

Honestly, though, I'm not sure. But if I had to guess, I'd say the ratings will eventually fall to his talent.

[jcurtis423]

Usually the ratings fall back to the talent as opposed to the talent improving over the ratings. Sometimes it happens pretty quickly, sometimes it happens slowly. You'll see this most often with Lahman imports that are done from the unmodified database. Players will have good rookie years and import into the game with good ratings right away, however their career #'s will cause them to have talent levels below the actual current ratings. My advice is to milk them for all they are worth and then get rid of them as soon as they start to fade.

[bp_]

Just want to check to be sure - your talent rating is set at 1-10 and not 2-8 correct?

[ctorg]

In my experience, a good amount of the time, the player won't actually revert until he is on the downside of his career, even when the talent numbers are lower. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. I had one guy in particular I remember who had ratings well above his talents for pretty much his whole career. Only in his mid-thirties did he begin to drop.

[f.montoya]

With the "coaches/scouts" option enabled, you may see this go either way. Drop to his talent or even exceed his talent for many seasons.

[andymac]

Originally Posted by ctorg

In my experience, a good amount of the time, the player won't actually revert until he is on the downside of his career, even when the talent numbers are lower. Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. I had one guy in particular I remember who had ratings well above his talents for pretty much his whole career. Only in his mid-thirties did he begin to drop.

Yea, this has been my experience also. It is basically just a sign telling you not to give that player a long-term contract .

[f.montoya]

But doesn't it happen in real life? I mean the Red Sox "settled" (19th pick in 1983) on a guy that scouts said might never be more than a decent reliever. It wasn't until the 1990's that scouts gave this guy proper scouting reports. His name?

Roger "The Rocket" Clemens.

[f.montoya]

Originally Posted by f.montoya

But doesn't it happen in real life? I mean the Red Sox "settled" (19th pick in 1983) on a guy that scouts said might never be more than a decent reliever. It wasn't until the 1990's that scouts gave this guy proper scouting reports. His name?

Roger "The Rocket" Clemens.

and I'm not even a Sox fan.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by f.montoya

But doesn't it happen in real life? I mean the Red Sox "settled" (19th pick in 1983) on a guy that scouts said might never be more than a decent reliever. It wasn't until the 1990's that scouts gave this guy proper scouting reports. His name?

Roger "The Rocket" Clemens.

I was thinking about Mike Piazza and was going to mention him.

[Sublimity]

Originally Posted by ctorg

I was thinking about Mike Piazza and was going to mention him.

Same with Pujols. Although I guess we can't say until his mid-30s with him.

[ifspuds]

This also tends to happen with the "So-and-so takes his game to the next level!" player development event. I have a player in one of my leagues who struggled along for a number of years, hit his talents but never pitched very well, and then took his game to the next level and juiced his ratings by a point over talent in each category. It's been 3 or 4 seasons and he still hasn't dropped back down (on a 1-10 scale for both overall and talent).

[Tito]

To answer a couple of questions posted, it's a 1-10 scale and scouts/coaches are disabled.

I was afraid of the movement plummeting, esp. in a park where the LHB HR park effect is 160. I wound up taking Edgardo Alfonzo instead.

[DiMaggio5CF]

Originally Posted by f.montoya

But doesn't it happen in real life? I mean the Red Sox "settled" (19th pick in 1983) on a guy that scouts said might never be more than a decent reliever. It wasn't until the 1990's that scouts gave this guy proper scouting reports. His name?

Roger "The Rocket" Clemens.

But even in that case, shouldn't his talent start low but actually grow.

I mean, with Clemens and Piazza, maybe no one thought they were good when they were drafted, but in the prime of their careers no one would say they didn't have the talent to put up numbers.

[f.montoya]

There have been scouting reports saying thay Clemens was on a downward trend for the last 13-15 years. It was rare that you get a scout saying year after year that "this guy is this great and expect it". Clemens defied the scouting reports his etire career. It's the fans that knew he was as good as he was.

Even Piazza was a fluke in the beginning, then because of his swing it was said he wouldn't be able to handle hitting in the NL long term. Then... should I go on?

Just the real scouts don't quantify ratings like OOTP so it's hard to understand these real life similarities.

I could go on listing more but I'll leave you with Dave Kingman. Go look up what scouts said about him year after year. How did he retire?

[ctorg]

It depends on what you take talent to mean. I always take it to mean something like a scout's opinion of a guy's maximum potential. It's actually fairly common for guys to reach levels higher than their talent in OOTP, even if it's far more common for them never to reach their talent levels.