BJ Ryan signs with Toronto?

randomlefty10 · 11-25-2005, 09:13 PM

Rumours floating around that this deal is done, 4 years, option for a 5th in the 8-9M per range.

rem · 11-25-2005, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by randomlefty10

Ryan signs with Toronto

Well that would make a sucky thing even more suckier.

NCBeachBum · 11-25-2005, 09:16 PM

5 years, $47 million is what I heard. If there's any truth to this at all, can you imagine what this will do to the price tags on Wagner and Hoffman?

Melo · 11-25-2005, 09:31 PM

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5 years, $47 million is what I heard. If there's any truth to this at all, can you imagine what this will do to the price tags on Wagner and Hoffman?

I hope Wags doesn't hear about this until after he signs with the Mets...

rem · 11-25-2005, 09:33 PM

5 years?

GoCubsAndJays · 11-25-2005, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NCBeachBum

5 years, $47 million is what I heard. If there's any truth to this at all, can you imagine what this will do to the price tags on Wagner and Hoffman?

That's what I've read too.

As a Jays fan I have mixed feelings about this... a couple mil more than I would like, and a couple more years as well... but this shows other potential free agents that the Jays are serious about making a run at the top this year. Overall, I have to say that I am content with this.

Mark Guest · 11-25-2005, 10:44 PM

A lot for a Closer, but to compete in the AL East you've got to be willing to spend. Does this signing close the books on a Burnett to Toronto deal?

randomlefty10 · 11-25-2005, 11:02 PM

Id say that book closed a week ago.

GForce · 11-25-2005, 11:06 PM

Now, if speculation is correct and the Mets were prepared to go 4 years, $44M on Wagner...would Ryan at 5 years, $47M be a better deal?

GH

Skipaway · 11-25-2005, 11:10 PM

Apparently the words about a lot of money floating around were probably true. Weak market plus too much money at hand equals inflated contrats!

darkhorse · 11-25-2005, 11:16 PM

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Now, if speculation is correct and the Mets were prepared to go 4 years, $44M on Wagner...would Ryan at 5 years, $47M be a better deal?

GH

Nah, they're both silly.

Skipaway · 11-25-2005, 11:21 PM

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Nah, they're both silly.

How do you know it's not baseball market inflation? Lots of people thought most free agent deals last year were overpriced, and since the trend is continuing in this Ryan deal, I'd believe it's actually not silly. Just regular market forces.

darkhorse · 11-25-2005, 11:26 PM

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How do you know it's not baseball market inflation? Lots of people thought most free agent deals last year were overpriced, and since the trend is continuing in this Ryan deal, I'd believe it's actually not silly. Just regular market forces.

No one is forced to make silly deals.

QuestGAV · 11-25-2005, 11:30 PM

It's not silly if you have the money to spend and you need to do so to compete. It may seem silly in a few years, but it definitely doesn't feel like teams are bidding against themselves as it seemed with contracts like Manny and A-Rod's.

Skipaway · 11-25-2005, 11:32 PM

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No one is forced to make silly deals.

But it's just like the inflation thing. We don't really know how much money can buy what in the baseball market. We are just like a bunch of old people using values from the old days to complain about how certain stuff became so expensive these days.

Sometimes it might be caused by silly reasons, sometimes it might just be true that the same amount of money can't buy the same amount of stuff anymore.

matskralc · 11-25-2005, 11:33 PM

Skipaway's point is "contracts like this shouldn't be a surprise", not necessarily "this is the right thing to do".

darkhorse · 11-25-2005, 11:33 PM

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It's not silly if you have the money to spend and you need to do so to compete.

And splashing 47 mil over five years to a closer makes the Jays competitive in what way? Toronto's resources just took a heavy hit for 70 innings a year of pitching.

darkhorse · 11-25-2005, 11:34 PM

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But it's just like the inflation thing. We don't really know how much money can buy what in the baseball market. We are just like a bunch of old people using values from the old days to complain about how certain stuff became so expensive these days.

Speak for yourself, sluggo.

Has nothing to do with conventional baseball wisdom. It's a terrible allocation of Toronto's finite resources.

Skipaway · 11-25-2005, 11:35 PM

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It's not silly if you have the money to spend and you need to do so to compete. It may seem silly in a few years, but it definitely doesn't feel like teams are bidding against themselves as it seemed with contracts like Manny and A-Rod's.

Yeah, and I was just speculating that maybe there are just too much money on people's hand, and so little to buy this year.

It's just like ebay. Sometimes you see stuff sold at crazy prices, but is that really crazy? Is that really silly?

Skipaway · 11-25-2005, 11:36 PM

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And splashing 47 mil over five years to a closer makes the Jays competitive in what way? Toronto's resources just took a heavy hit for 70 innings a year of pitching.

And do we actually know what resources Toronto got this year?

All the talk about money floating around means every team got more resources than they used to be.

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