How active are you as a GM?

DiMaggio5CF · 11-25-2005, 07:09 PM

I've been thinking about my GM style, and I tend to resist trades that aren't realistic. I don't play with any "house rules" like others do, and I won't turn down a "no-brainer" trade, but I just try to keep it simple. I won't make a trade just for the sake of making a trade.

So that got me thinking about how many people think like me. How many people hold on to their guys, and how many people are just constantly turning over their players.

So . . .

What is your GM style? How active are you?

Are you constantly wheeling and dealing? Or do you pretty much lay low and only trade to fill a need?

Is your roster completely different from when you took it over? Or is it still filled mostly with players that were there when you got there?

If a new acquisition is sucking it up by the All-Star Break, do you trade his ass? Or do you stick it out and see where he goes?

If you have a .290, 30 HR all-star, do you trade him for a .310, 40 HR all-star just because you can? Or do you hold onto your guy?

You obviously don't have to answer all these questions individually; this is not a survey. They're just some questions to think about.

gmo · 11-25-2005, 07:27 PM

For a while when I first started playing the game, I did a whole lot of the wheeling-and-dealing. Gradually I have phased out of doing a lot of those things. At first I would have no problem doing the likes of signing whatever guy in free agency and using him to make a trade for the player I really wanted but who would not sign with me. I have stopped making waiver claims on the top prospects who have option years and seeming no reason to be on waivers. I do though still try to make the occasional steals here and there, I just try to be more reasonable about it.

Personally I do that to add challenge and a sense of greater realism. But I cannot be critical of anyone cutting corners and exploiting the AI or unrealistically (except for the Yankees?

) rolling through guys like it is nothing. I had fun doing that in my solo league for a while, and if someone else enjoys that aspect enough to do all that then I say go ahead. Just do not expect a lot of backslapping when you talk here about your 134-28 seasons with two 27-3 pitchers and the .370,58,195 hitter of the year.

Comedian2004 · 11-25-2005, 08:06 PM

GM vs. 31 computer controlled players, the 1st year I did a lot of wheeling and dealing, first in cleaning up the club. I traded the non-producers and traded away rookies that have no future here, like a LF, knowing I have my LF signed to a 4 year deal. I also had to do more wheeling and dealing when I lost 3 players to season ending injuries.

As far as getting rid of players that quit hitting, yes, I have done that this year. He was hitting the cover off the ball, then went into a terrible slump (1 for 49), so I traded him. Of course I have to check him occasionally to see how he is doing.

A couple guys, like my #3 and #4 guy, they are here to stay, sort of like a Biggio/Bagwell type thing. Another guy can play 1B, 2B, 3B and SS and is a pretty good fielder at all, so he is one I refuse to get rid of. My SS, he had a contact rating of 90 and only hit .265 last year. He was doing the same this year, but I just held on to him. I did shop around a few times, but was offered used poop for him, so I kept him. He has been hot as a July Texas day lately and even got his average up to .305. I expect him to hit in the .350s or higher for me.

Then I had a guy I signed that was a closer and I wanted to convert him to a setup guy. He has complained about lack of use and he won't sign. So, screw him, I quit giving him save opportunities and use him as a setup guy, and will just let him go on at the end of the year.

I do have one guy that I was using for setup and he was 10-1 with an ERA just above 1.00. I noticed that I started to bring him in 'WIN' situations to try and pad his wins. Tie game in the 7th or 8th, I will bring him in. He actually has not done as well since then.

That setup guy really made my list the last game. I lead 10-6 with 2 outs and the bases loaded, so with a LHB due up, I brought him in, since he is a lefty. The guy hit a grand slam to tie it. I left him in and he got the next batter out. I PH for him the next inning and scored 4 more runs. I hated that he got the damn win!

DerekJeter2 · 11-26-2005, 12:50 AM

I tend to take a team, trade and trade constantly until I find the right guys and then set out a plan of my team for the next 5-10 years and trade very little then next several years (just Prospect trading). It works very well if you have a quality commish and the league goes on for a while.

canadiancreed · 11-26-2005, 12:55 AM

for me I try to determine what the best course of action is, and how logn it'd take to get the pieces I need. If we're say, a SP and a CF away from contending, I go for it. If were a geereatric home, I go into rebuild. I also try to compete regardless of mode, trading for guys that may not be stars on some teams, but will fill in well with 5's and 6's in ratigns till my blue chips come through.

Arakiss19 · 11-26-2005, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

I've been thinking about my GM style, and I tend to resist trades that aren't realistic. I don't play with any "house rules" like others do, and I won't turn down a "no-brainer" trade, but I just try to keep it simple. I won't make a trade just for the sake of making a trade.

So that got me thinking about how many people think like me. How many people hold on to their guys, and how many people are just constantly turning over their players.

So . . .

What is your GM style? How active are you?

Are you constantly wheeling and dealing? Or do you pretty much lay low and only trade to fill a need?

Is your roster completely different from when you took it over? Or is it still filled mostly with players that were there when you got there?

If a new acquisition is sucking it up by the All-Star Break, do you trade his ass? Or do you stick it out and see where he goes?

If you have a .290, 30 HR all-star, do you trade him for a .310, 40 HR all-star just because you can? Or do you hold onto your guy?

You obviously don't have to answer all these questions individually; this is not a survey. They're just some questions to think about.

I haven't played alot of this game yet but I've played alot of High Heat and when I played that game I never traded just to trade. I trade when there is a need. I also on the other hand will not turn down a no-brainer trade. I usually like to let my team play together for awhile before I break the team up. Chemistry is a good thing.

PhilzPhan · 11-27-2005, 01:24 PM

Trade 'em!

Seriously, the league I am currently running is all the all time stars coming in as rookies. As such, there are lots of guys to play, but also, from what I am learning, not all potential is being reached quickly.

Now, I won the WS the first year of the league by the skin of my chinny chin chin and thought that a little fine tuning for this second year ws in order.

ummmmm...No. I am now eight games behind in June.

Trade 'em!

ctorg · 11-28-2005, 09:58 AM

I get attached to particular players, sometimes to a fault, but I'll generally trade guys when I think I can get a good deal or if I'm trying to either build for the future or win it all in the present. I probably make one or two big trades per season, with occasional very minor deals thrown in. I tend to be much more successful by trading than I am by getting free agents (every guy I want always seems to end up going for a lot more than I'm willing to spend).

Magatsu · 11-29-2005, 08:23 PM

I, for one, am very patient with my players. In the first year when I take over a team I almost never trade (asside so-called no-brainers) just to see how they do.

On the other side I have to admit that I have never played without ratings (my nexr project

) so this might have something to do with it. There are either the ratings that convince me to keep a player (despite his poor stats) or the numbers a certain player puts up (despite his poor ratings).

Nevertheless, if I would start a talent-only solo-league right now, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't trade anyone in the first year until a CPU-team approaches me (and I would NEVER trade a player I newly acquired in any way - I first want to see him perform/not perform within two or even three years - after all there's a reason I fetched him). I like to get to know my players, their personalities, etc.

For me it's always hard to trade a player but sometimes (to quote "Little Big League") ... as a manager you just can't afford to be a fan.

M

Jason · 11-29-2005, 08:29 PM

Interesting question. I tend to be a loyal but firm GM.

For example, I don't wheel and deal much when it comes to the starters on my clubs. I'll usually deal bench guys for other bench guys that might be better defensively where I'm weak but if I have a winning club it'll take a lot for me to turn over the big guys.

Conversely, if they ask for a ton of money in free agency, they're out the door. I love to see teams sign some guy for entirely too much money and then me land a guy 8-10 mil a season cheaper who may hit 10 less home runs. That 8-10 mil can find guys to fill a lot of holes.

Magatsu · 11-29-2005, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale And Eli's Dad

Conversely, if they ask for a ton of money in free agency, they're out the door. I love to see teams sign some guy for entirely too much money and then me land a guy 8-10 mil a season cheaper who may hit 10 less home runs. That 8-10 mil can find guys to fill a lot of holes.

"

(oh, this gets me a warning ...)

Yes, of course. If someone demands too much money he's out! Period. There are always better, younger and cheaper guys on the free agent market.

M

bigdgp2 · 11-30-2005, 03:54 PM

In online leagues, I like to keep the core of my team together. However, when players pass through the arbitration years of their careers, I may trade them for prospects and rebuild the organization again. (In my online league, my Nationals local TV deal is $7.5M per year and $10M per year for the national deal.. so I don't have that much money to spend) I, also, don't believe in resigning players for $10M+.

Sometimes, I'll pull off deals that are "one year rentals", though not often.

For my offense, I tend to get guys that rate highly on gap power and plate discipline. Power is also important. I stay away from guys that have high avoid k ratings.

jcurtis423 · 11-30-2005, 04:29 PM

I am the Peter Angelos of online leagues. Spend huge bucks on guys in their 30's and hope for the best.

Tycobbler · 11-30-2005, 08:47 PM

I tend to be a pitching first guy; Ace-closer, with 1-2 power hitters, a speedster, and a few guys with good contact. "Eye" is a biggie for me. Eye=good obp.
Back to the pitching. I can't stress enough on a good rotation and a solid pen first and foremost, then my offense second. Now while it has earned me only 1 ring in 10 years i have never had a losing season in my online league, and it's looking like i am heading in that direction again this year.
On drafting, we draft pre season, but don't get our players until June 1st. If the players drafted are good enough, and the price is right i will deal an established minor leaguer(4-5 stars) to either add to my rotation or bullpen, and repeat this cycle every 3 years or so to keep my MLers around 28-32, because that's the age i'll usually trade for, or end up with to add to my pitching staff, and that usually buys my developing minor leaguers some time to develop and yes possibly be dealt for more middle aged pitching (2 1/2- 4 gold stars); a constant refreshing of the ML staff if you will. All told- 10 1/2 years, 976-757 record

in the SSBL.

sfgiants88 · 11-30-2005, 08:57 PM

--Jots notes--

(I'm in the SSBL, too)

Tycobbler · 11-30-2005, 08:58 PM

well then can you answer this trivia question

which team am i ?

sfgiants88 · 11-30-2005, 09:00 PM

Pittsburgh.

11-25-2005, 07:09 PM	#1
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	How active are you as a GM? I've been thinking about my GM style, and I tend to resist trades that aren't realistic. I don't play with any "house rules" like others do, and I won't turn down a "no-brainer" trade, but I just try to keep it simple. I won't make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. So that got me thinking about how many people think like me. How many people hold on to their guys, and how many people are just constantly turning over their players. So . . . What is your GM style? How active are you? Are you constantly wheeling and dealing? Or do you pretty much lay low and only trade to fill a need? Is your roster completely different from when you took it over? Or is it still filled mostly with players that were there when you got there? If a new acquisition is sucking it up by the All-Star Break, do you trade his ass? Or do you stick it out and see where he goes? If you have a .290, 30 HR all-star, do you trade him for a .310, 40 HR all-star just because you can? Or do you hold onto your guy? You obviously don't have to answer all these questions individually; this is not a survey. They're just some questions to think about.

11-27-2005, 01:24 PM	#7
PhilzPhan Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	Just like Trader Jack! Trade 'em! Seriously, the league I am currently running is all the all time stars coming in as rookies. As such, there are lots of guys to play, but also, from what I am learning, not all potential is being reached quickly. Now, I won the WS the first year of the league by the skin of my chinny chin chin and thought that a little fine tuning for this second year ws in order. ummmmm...No. I am now eight games behind in June. Trade 'em!

11-28-2005, 09:58 AM	#8
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I get attached to particular players, sometimes to a fault, but I'll generally trade guys when I think I can get a good deal or if I'm trying to either build for the future or win it all in the present. I probably make one or two big trades per season, with occasional very minor deals thrown in. I tend to be much more successful by trading than I am by getting free agents (every guy I want always seems to end up going for a lot more than I'm willing to spend). __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

11-30-2005, 03:54 PM	#12
bigdgp2 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 606	In online leagues, I like to keep the core of my team together. However, when players pass through the arbitration years of their careers, I may trade them for prospects and rebuild the organization again. (In my online league, my Nationals local TV deal is $7.5M per year and $10M per year for the national deal.. so I don't have that much money to spend) I, also, don't believe in resigning players for $10M+. Sometimes, I'll pull off deals that are "one year rentals", though not often. For my offense, I tend to get guys that rate highly on gap power and plate discipline. Power is also important. I stay away from guys that have high avoid k ratings. __________________ https://challenge.ootpdevelopments.c...lawlsopher.jpg Last edited by bigdgp2; 11-30-2005 at 03:56 PM.

11-25-2005, 07:27 PM	#2
gmo Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 3,399	For a while when I first started playing the game, I did a whole lot of the wheeling-and-dealing. Gradually I have phased out of doing a lot of those things. At first I would have no problem doing the likes of signing whatever guy in free agency and using him to make a trade for the player I really wanted but who would not sign with me. I have stopped making waiver claims on the top prospects who have option years and seeming no reason to be on waivers. I do though still try to make the occasional steals here and there, I just try to be more reasonable about it. Personally I do that to add challenge and a sense of greater realism. But I cannot be critical of anyone cutting corners and exploiting the AI or unrealistically (except for the Yankees? ) rolling through guys like it is nothing. I had fun doing that in my solo league for a while, and if someone else enjoys that aspect enough to do all that then I say go ahead. Just do not expect a lot of backslapping when you talk here about your 134-28 seasons with two 27-3 pitchers and the .370,58,195 hitter of the year.

11-25-2005, 08:06 PM	#3
Comedian2004 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: In a house in Saint Cloud, Florida. Posts: 7,085	GM vs. 31 computer controlled players, the 1st year I did a lot of wheeling and dealing, first in cleaning up the club. I traded the non-producers and traded away rookies that have no future here, like a LF, knowing I have my LF signed to a 4 year deal. I also had to do more wheeling and dealing when I lost 3 players to season ending injuries. As far as getting rid of players that quit hitting, yes, I have done that this year. He was hitting the cover off the ball, then went into a terrible slump (1 for 49), so I traded him. Of course I have to check him occasionally to see how he is doing. A couple guys, like my #3 and #4 guy, they are here to stay, sort of like a Biggio/Bagwell type thing. Another guy can play 1B, 2B, 3B and SS and is a pretty good fielder at all, so he is one I refuse to get rid of. My SS, he had a contact rating of 90 and only hit .265 last year. He was doing the same this year, but I just held on to him. I did shop around a few times, but was offered used poop for him, so I kept him. He has been hot as a July Texas day lately and even got his average up to .305. I expect him to hit in the .350s or higher for me. Then I had a guy I signed that was a closer and I wanted to convert him to a setup guy. He has complained about lack of use and he won't sign. So, screw him, I quit giving him save opportunities and use him as a setup guy, and will just let him go on at the end of the year. I do have one guy that I was using for setup and he was 10-1 with an ERA just above 1.00. I noticed that I started to bring him in 'WIN' situations to try and pad his wins. Tie game in the 7th or 8th, I will bring him in. He actually has not done as well since then. That setup guy really made my list the last game. I lead 10-6 with 2 outs and the bases loaded, so with a LHB due up, I brought him in, since he is a lefty. The guy hit a grand slam to tie it. I left him in and he got the next batter out. I PH for him the next inning and scored 4 more runs. I hated that he got the damn win! __________________ Like BLUES? Visit www.smokestacklightnin.com, you will LOVE it! New show every Monday!! New Blues HOF![/COLOR][/FONT]

11-26-2005, 12:50 AM	#4
DerekJeter2 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 144	I tend to take a team, trade and trade constantly until I find the right guys and then set out a plan of my team for the next 5-10 years and trade very little then next several years (just Prospect trading). It works very well if you have a quality commish and the league goes on for a while. __________________ GM of St. Louis Cardinals (93-69, 109-53, 115-47, 121-41) 2005 World Series Champs Toronto Blue Jays (95-67, 98-64, 114-48, 107-55, 117-45, 34-18) 2007-2011 AL East Champs 2008, 2011 AL Champs 2011 World Series Champs Career OOTP Win%: .613 (2500+ Wins), 14 Division Titles, 10 Best Records, 6 League Championships, 2 World Series Titles

11-26-2005, 12:55 AM	#5
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	for me I try to determine what the best course of action is, and how logn it'd take to get the pieces I need. If we're say, a SP and a CF away from contending, I go for it. If were a geereatric home, I go into rebuild. I also try to compete regardless of mode, trading for guys that may not be stars on some teams, but will fill in well with 5's and 6's in ratigns till my blue chips come through.

11-29-2005, 08:23 PM	#9
Magatsu Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: BO, Germany Posts: 206	I, for one, am very patient with my players. In the first year when I take over a team I almost never trade (asside so-called no-brainers) just to see how they do. On the other side I have to admit that I have never played without ratings (my nexr project ) so this might have something to do with it. There are either the ratings that convince me to keep a player (despite his poor stats) or the numbers a certain player puts up (despite his poor ratings). Nevertheless, if I would start a talent-only solo-league right now, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't trade anyone in the first year until a CPU-team approaches me (and I would NEVER trade a player I newly acquired in any way - I first want to see him perform/not perform within two or even three years - after all there's a reason I fetched him). I like to get to know my players, their personalities, etc. For me it's always hard to trade a player but sometimes (to quote "Little Big League") ... as a manager you just can't afford to be a fan. M

11-29-2005, 08:29 PM	#10
Jason Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,847	Interesting question. I tend to be a loyal but firm GM. For example, I don't wheel and deal much when it comes to the starters on my clubs. I'll usually deal bench guys for other bench guys that might be better defensively where I'm weak but if I have a winning club it'll take a lot for me to turn over the big guys. Conversely, if they ask for a ton of money in free agency, they're out the door. I love to see teams sign some guy for entirely too much money and then me land a guy 8-10 mil a season cheaper who may hit 10 less home runs. That 8-10 mil can find guys to fill a lot of holes.

11-30-2005, 04:29 PM	#13
jcurtis423 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 57	I am the Peter Angelos of online leagues. Spend huge bucks on guys in their 30's and hope for the best.

11-30-2005, 08:47 PM	#14
Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,960	I tend to be a pitching first guy; Ace-closer, with 1-2 power hitters, a speedster, and a few guys with good contact. "Eye" is a biggie for me. Eye=good obp. Back to the pitching. I can't stress enough on a good rotation and a solid pen first and foremost, then my offense second. Now while it has earned me only 1 ring in 10 years i have never had a losing season in my online league, and it's looking like i am heading in that direction again this year. On drafting, we draft pre season, but don't get our players until June 1st. If the players drafted are good enough, and the price is right i will deal an established minor leaguer(4-5 stars) to either add to my rotation or bullpen, and repeat this cycle every 3 years or so to keep my MLers around 28-32, because that's the age i'll usually trade for, or end up with to add to my pitching staff, and that usually buys my developing minor leaguers some time to develop and yes possibly be dealt for more middle aged pitching (2 1/2- 4 gold stars); a constant refreshing of the ML staff if you will. All told- 10 1/2 years, 976-757 record in the SSBL.

11-30-2005, 08:57 PM	#15
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	--Jots notes-- (I'm in the SSBL, too)

11-30-2005, 08:58 PM	#16
Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,960	well then can you answer this trivia question which team am i ?

11-30-2005, 09:00 PM	#17
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	Pittsburgh.