The Worst Thing About OOTP....

Hotwheelz · 10-25-2005, 02:16 PM

is the fact that I just dealt a 3 star pitching prospect to a team in the same league for their 5 star, 25 year old shortstop prospect. It was a fair trade because the SS I got might not pan out, but the pitching prospect I sent is almost a sure thing.

Anyway, I saw that the guy I dealt was on waivers. I thought what the heck, they will pull him back anyway. So I claimed him. What do you know, they didnt pull him back. So I received a 5 star SS prospect for free

I know, I could have just let the guy go. My curiosity got the best of me. However, even if I hadnt claimed him he likely would have gone to somebody else.

Cooker · 10-25-2005, 03:06 PM

Interesting. I've seen that happen myself, trading a prospect and then later seeing him hit waivers. Like you, I sometimes pick him up again.

Actually, the worst thing about OOTP is also the best thing about OOTP, namely, I can't stop playing!!!

Vezna31 · 10-25-2005, 03:31 PM

I've done this a number of times myself mainly because I usually get attached to my team and always look to bring back the guys that have produced for me in the past.

Hotwheelz · 10-25-2005, 04:04 PM

Does this happen often?

sahyder1 · 10-25-2005, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

Does this happen often?

yeah, and is something that needs to be fixed for Trade AI in the future

Hotwheelz · 10-25-2005, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sahyder1

yeah, and is something that needs to be fixed for Trade AI in the future

If it happens rarely, then its great. I would chalk it up to one of those odd baseball trade moments.

If it happens often though, I am worried.

james17 · 10-25-2005, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

If it happens rarely, then its great. I would chalk it up to one of those odd baseball trade moments.

If it happens often though, I am worried.

I think it needs to be fixed. I once traded a 4-star prospect three times and each time the A/I put him on waivers and I picked him up again. I got some juicy prospects that have panned out.

What I should have done was just let some other team claim him but my team sucked so bad at the time I couldn't resist the temptation.

kennkerp · 10-26-2005, 02:54 PM

I see guys that I had just traded end up on waivers all of the time, but never prospects. Sometimes, they are immediately on waivers and sometimes it's later on in the season. The ones later on in the season are completely understandable, I chalk that up to a team taking a chance on a guy and it just doesn't work out. But for a guy to end up on waivers the day after I trade him, that's pretty odd. It's probably because the AI trades for a guy, then wants to assign him to AAA and the guy has to pass through waivers first. But if that's the case, then the AI should have not made the trade with me unless they knew that they could assign the guy to AAA with no problem or wanted to keep him on the Major league roster initially. Maybe that's something that can be fixed in the future.

Cardinal Rule · 10-26-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kennkerp

It's probably because the AI trades for a guy, then wants to assign him to AAA and the guy has to pass through waivers first.

Yes I think this is exactly the issue - the trade AI only reviews some aspects when evaluating a trade - value for value, meeting a positional need, dealing or acquiring free-agent-to-be, affording the player contracts, etc. But the AI probably doesn't review the roster space required - basically 'thinking ahead' beyond the deal itself. I agree that's something that I'd like to see added or improved upon.

Dan Theman · 10-27-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardinal Rule

Yes I think this is exactly the issue - the trade AI only reviews some aspects when evaluating a trade - value for value, meeting a positional need, dealing or acquiring free-agent-to-be, affording the player contracts, etc. But the AI probably doesn't review the roster space required - basically 'thinking ahead' beyond the deal itself. I agree that's something that I'd like to see added or improved upon.

That's always been my take as well. Until this aspect of the game gets completely resolved, I just police myself so that I don't take advantage of the AI's limitations.

ragnaar15 · 10-27-2005, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotwheelz

is the fact that I just dealt a 3 star pitching prospect to a team in the same league for their 5 star, 25 year old shortstop prospect. It was a fair trade because the SS I got might not pan out, but the pitching prospect I sent is almost a sure thing.

Anyway, I saw that the guy I dealt was on waivers. I thought what the heck, they will pull him back anyway. So I claimed him. What do you know, they didnt pull him back. So I received a 5 star SS prospect for free

I know, I could have just let the guy go. My curiosity got the best of me. However, even if I hadnt claimed him he likely would have gone to somebody else.

Exactly why I've started turning waivers off. The AI screws it up more than it adds realism to the game IMO.

Dan Theman · 10-27-2005, 09:39 PM

Actually, with the waivers on and that little bit of self-policing, I find it makes it more challenging. Of course, the need to self-police kills it for some people and I can understand their desire to avoid the issue altogether.

jtg · 10-27-2005, 10:52 PM

Here's another little quirk ...

I've had two instances now where I've been able to easily acquire former MVPs who had suffered SEIs. I'm talking about guys in their 20s, not old codgers barely hanging on. In both cases, I was able to swing trades by offering 2-3 good (not great) players or prospects. The guys I landed were on the DL at the time, missed the rest of the season and the first 3-4 weeks of the next, but have been healthy and extremely productive ever since. In fact, one of them may win his 3rd MVP for my current season.

Faroo6 · 10-28-2005, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jtg

Here's another little quirk ...

I've had two instances now where I've been able to easily acquire former MVPs who had suffered SEIs. I'm talking about guys in their 20s, not old codgers barely hanging on. In both cases, I was able to swing trades by offering 2-3 good (not great) players or prospects. The guys I landed were on the DL at the time, missed the rest of the season and the first 3-4 weeks of the next, but have been healthy and extremely productive ever since. In fact, one of them may win his 3rd MVP for my current season.

Yeah the AI drops the value of an player with a "SEI" BIG TIME.

I'd also like to see guys who unretire from CEIs come back to the team they were with when it happened. I'm pretty sure this is how it usually happens in RL.

10-25-2005, 02:16 PM	#1
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	The Worst Thing About OOTP.... is the fact that I just dealt a 3 star pitching prospect to a team in the same league for their 5 star, 25 year old shortstop prospect. It was a fair trade because the SS I got might not pan out, but the pitching prospect I sent is almost a sure thing. Anyway, I saw that the guy I dealt was on waivers. I thought what the heck, they will pull him back anyway. So I claimed him. What do you know, they didnt pull him back. So I received a 5 star SS prospect for free I know, I could have just let the guy go. My curiosity got the best of me. However, even if I hadnt claimed him he likely would have gone to somebody else. __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks

10-25-2005, 03:31 PM	#3
Vezna31 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wherever My VPN says Posts: 1,986	I've done this a number of times myself mainly because I usually get attached to my team and always look to bring back the guys that have produced for me in the past. __________________ Owner/Operator - Vezna Financial Services - Accounting and taxes.

10-25-2005, 04:04 PM	#4
Hotwheelz All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,620	Does this happen often? __________________ "It's a great day for a ballgame; let's play two." Ernie Banks

10-25-2005, 03:06 PM	#2
Cooker All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 592	Interesting. I've seen that happen myself, trading a prospect and then later seeing him hit waivers. Like you, I sometimes pick him up again. Actually, the worst thing about OOTP is also the best thing about OOTP, namely, I can't stop playing!!!

10-26-2005, 02:54 PM	#8
kennkerp Bat Boy Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9	I see guys that I had just traded end up on waivers all of the time, but never prospects. Sometimes, they are immediately on waivers and sometimes it's later on in the season. The ones later on in the season are completely understandable, I chalk that up to a team taking a chance on a guy and it just doesn't work out. But for a guy to end up on waivers the day after I trade him, that's pretty odd. It's probably because the AI trades for a guy, then wants to assign him to AAA and the guy has to pass through waivers first. But if that's the case, then the AI should have not made the trade with me unless they knew that they could assign the guy to AAA with no problem or wanted to keep him on the Major league roster initially. Maybe that's something that can be fixed in the future.

10-27-2005, 10:52 PM	#13
jtg Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18	Here's another little quirk ... I've had two instances now where I've been able to easily acquire former MVPs who had suffered SEIs. I'm talking about guys in their 20s, not old codgers barely hanging on. In both cases, I was able to swing trades by offering 2-3 good (not great) players or prospects. The guys I landed were on the DL at the time, missed the rest of the season and the first 3-4 weeks of the next, but have been healthy and extremely productive ever since. In fact, one of them may win his 3rd MVP for my current season.