Set in Stone... MLB Players Stay with Original Franchises

Matt from TN · 10-02-2005, 09:20 PM

Unfortunately, this thread was lost in the forums crash. I had simmed from 1876-1891... 16 seasons worth of writeups lost. The good news is I have catobase. Perhaps I will recap past seasons, but unfortunately, that is unlikely at this point. Looks like I will simply be forced to trudge on from 1892 on.

For those who did not read the original thread, my description was much better. Basically the premise of this thread is to import all players into the league with the team they originally debuted with. They will remain with that team for their entire career. There will be no free agency and no injuries (so players get a fair shot at playing out an entire career).

With this setup, Babe Ruth will be a Red Sox, Curt Schilling an Oriole and Mike Piazza & Pedro Martinez as Dodgers. Will the Yankees of the 20s, 30s and 50s still be dominant? How will teams like the 90s Expos fair? Perhaps history will be more kind to them here.

Also what will come of the Mariners with Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr and A-Rod? Will the Yankees of the 2000's still be dominant without free agency?

Without any further delay, here is 1892....

Matt from TN · 10-02-2005, 09:22 PM

1892

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Cleveland Spiders          86  54 .614 -
Chicago Colts              80  60 .571 6
New York Giants            80  60 .571 6
Brooklyn Grooms            77  63 .550 9
Cincinnati Reds            72  68 .514 14
Boston Beaneaters          70  70 .500 16
Pittsburgh Pirates         70  70 .500 16
Philadelphia Phillies      69  71 .493 17
Louisville Colonels        58  82 .414 28
Baltimore Orioles          38 102 .271 48

Cleveland Spiders

The Spiders had everything going in their favor as they won their 3rd pennant in 4 years. They had the top rated offense and #2 pitching staff. RF Sam Thompson officially led the team with a .328 average although 2B Sam Trott hit .339 in 363 AB. Thompson's 80 RBI were second on the team to Buttercup Dickerson's 87. Four other regulars hit between Thompson's .328 and Dickerson's .293, and the team hit .301 as a whole.

The rotation was outstanding yet again. Cy Young was the best, going 25-7 with a 2.23 ERA and winning the Top Pitcher Award. Lady Baldwin was 20-13, 2.69 and George Derby was 18-13, 2.70. Rookie George Davies went 6-2, 2.65 but got only 54.1 innings of work. Expect to see more of him next season.

Chicago Colts

In contrast to past Chicago teams, pitching was the Colts' biggest strength this season. In his first season as a regular starter, Pat Luby went 22-11, 2.79 to lead the rotation. Mark Baldwin was 13-6 with a 3.06 ERA but no other starter had a winning record. Catcher Sy Sutcliffe led the offense with a .339 average. After 5 pro seasons, Sy has a .318 career average and has never hit below .303. Jimmy Ryan hit .339 as well but also added 15 HR and 97 RBI to win Top Batter honors. No other Colt had more than 6 HR's or 63 RBI.

New York Giants

The Giants made a late push for the pennant before slumping at the end. 23-year-old LF Jesse Burkett continues to be a dominant player, hitting .349 with 10 HR and 75 RBI. CF Silent Mike Tiernan was anything but silent, driving in 91 RBI with his .315 average. Bill George led the rotation with a 2.69 ERA but finished with just a 16-17 record. Meanwhile, John Ewing (21-14, 3.32), Harry McCormick (19-13, 3.03) and Ed Begley (16-8, 3.57) all had winning records with higher ERA's.

Brooklyn Grooms

Deaf CF Dummy Hoy hit .311 with 51 stolen bases. No other regular Groom hit over .300. RF Oyster Burns hit .270 and led the team with 86 RBI. Charlie Sweeney had a great season from the mound, going 22-13 with a 2.62 ERA. George Keefe went 17-12 with a 3.32 ERA.

Cincinnati Reds

The Reds had the 2nd most effective offensive attack in the NL. Rookie LF Willie Murphy led the team with a .342 average. SS JAck Glasscock hit .333 and led the team with 73 RBI. However, pitching was a big problem. Billy Rhines managed a 20-15 record with his 3.54 ERA. Amos Rusie led the team with a 3.01 ERA and had just a 16-15 record. Rookie Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain went 13-13 and led all rookies with a 3.13 ERA.

Boston Beaneaters

Boston was also all about offense, finishing 3rd. 3B Billy Nash hit .355 with 9 HR and 78 RBI. RF Steve Brodie hit .327. 2B Bobby Lowe hit .296 with a team high 90 RBI. SS Herman Long hit .295 with 14 HR and 67 RBI. On the pitching front, Joe Borden had a spectacular 25-9 record despite a 3.47 ERA at age 38. He is now 262-171 with a 2.79 ERA in his 17-year career.

Pittsburgh Pirates

Similar to the two teams above them, Pittsburg was also led by offense (4th overall) but lacked in pitching. CF Pete Browning hit .339 with 65 RBI. 1B Jake "Eagle Eye" Beckley hit .321 with 62 RBI. Pitchers Pud Galvin (19-16, 3.69), Ed Morris (19-16, 3.76) and rookie Red Ehret (18-14, 3.55) all had winning records despite high ERA's.

Philadelphia Phillies

LF "Sliding Billy" Hamilton continued his excellent play in his second season. He hit .343 with 63 RBI and 61 steals. RF Dan Brouthers hit .326 with 68 RBI. CF Joe Knight hit .314 and led the team with 86 RBI. Bill Vinton had an outstanding season, going 23-11 with a league leading 2.18 ERA. Rookie "Rubber Arm Gun" Gus Weyhing had a respectable 3.26 ERA and a 17-17 record.

Louisville Colonels

Not much was expected out of the new teams added to the NL and that's what they provided. 1B Henry Larkin led the Colonels with a .308 average and 66 RBI. Rookie pitchers Scott Stratton (13-23, 3.14) and Fritz Clausen (14-14, 3.15) had solid ERA's but struggled to get wins.

Baltimore Orioles

In their debut season, the Orioles set a NL record with 102 losses. Catcher Wilbert Robinson led the team with a .287 average. 3B John McGraw's .279 average was 2nd, and he added 51 steals. SS "Voiceless Tim" O'Rourke hit just .244 but led the team with 61 RBI. Bill Hawke (8-27, 3.62), Pink Hawley (9-24, 4.06) and Ted Breitenstein (7-21, 3.63) all lost over 20 games.

Batting AVG
.355 Billy Nash, BSN
.349 Jesse Burkett, NYG
.343 Billy Hamilton, PHI
.342 Willie Murphy, CIN

HOMERUNS
15 Jimmy Ryan, CHC
14 Herman Long, BSN
10 Jesse Burkett, NYG
10 Danny Richardson, NYG

RBI
97 Jimmy Ryan, CHC
91 Mike Tiernan, NYG
90 Bobby Lowe, BSN
87 Buttercup Dickerson, CLS

OPS
.889 Jimmy Ryan, CHC
.872 Jesse Burkett, NYG
.872 Billy Nash, BSN
.860 Billy Hamilton, PHI
.841 Mike Tiernan, NYG

STEALS
65 Mike Tiernan, NYG (65-29, 69.16%)
64 Hub Collins, BRO (64-19, 77.11%)
61 Billy Hamilton, PHI (61-33, 65.59%)
59 Dave Foutz, BRO (59-13, 81.94%)
57 Bill Joyce, BRO (57-17, 77.03%)

ERA
2.18 Bill Vinton, PHI (23-11)
2.23 Cy Young, CLS (25-7)
2.62 Charlie Sweeney, BRO (22-13)
2.69 Lady Baldwin, CLS (20-13)
2.69 Bill George, NYG (16-17)

WINS
25 Joe Borden, BSN (25-9, 3.47)
25 Cy Young, CLS
23 Bill Vinton, PHI
22 Pat Luby, CHC (22-11, 2.79)
22 Charlie Sweeney, BRO

STRIKEOUTS
185 Joe Borden, BSN
179 Lady Baldwin, CLS
178 Bill Vinton, PHI
173 Bill Daley, BSN (13-12, 3.36)
168 Bill George, NYG

POY: Cy Young, CLS, 25-7, 2.23 ERA, 15 BB, 153 K, .256 OAVG, 1.05 WHIP
BOY: LF Jimmy Ryan, CHC, .339, 15 HR, 97 RBI, 23 SB, .889 OPS
ROY: Red Ehret, PIT, 18-14, 3.55 ERA, 52 BB, 93 K, .267 OAVG, 1.21 WHIP

Matt from TN · 10-02-2005, 09:23 PM

Record Book Update

17 seasons have now passed and the season has grown from 66 games in 1876 to 140 in 1892. Here is a look at the current single-season and active leaders in key categories. Let me know if there are any other stats you are interested in.

SS = Single Season
CA = Career Leader
AC = Active Leader if different than career leader

Batting Records

Batting Average
SS - .421 Live Oak Taylor, 1889
CA - .377 Live Oak Taylor, 1888-91
AC - .349 King Kelly, 1879-92

OPS
SS - 1.072 Ross Barnes, 1884
CA - .946 Ross Barnes, 1876-87
AC - .910 King Kelly, 1879-92

Runs
SS - 106 Jimmy Ryan, 1890
CA - 1030 King Kelly, 1879-92

Homeruns
SS - 15 Jimmy Ryan 1892
CA - 91 Cap Anson 1876-90
AC - 88 Dan Brouthers 1879-92

RBI
SS - 103 Hugh Duffy, 1890
CA - 912 Buttercup Dickerson, 1879-92

Stolen Bases
SS - 78 Dave Foutz, 1891
CA - 379 Ed Andrews, 1885-92

Walks
SS - 121 Ross Barnes, 1876
CA - 734 Ross Barnes, 1876-87
AC - 519 Tim Murnane, 1876-92

Pitching Records

ERA
SS - 1.53 George Bradley, 1879
CA - 2.57 Lady Baldwin, 1885-92

Wins
SS - 41 Al Spalding, 1876
CA - 262 Joe Borden, 1876-92

Winning %
SS - 82.86% Lady Baldwin, 1891
CA - 68.00% Lady Baldwin, 1885-92

Shutouts
SS - 9 Lady Baldwin, 1889
CA - 44 Joe Borden, 1876-92

Strikeouts
SS - 205 Bill Daley, 1891
CA - 2169 Joe Borden, 1876-92

Team Records

Wins - 87, Cleveland Spiders, 1891
Losses - 102, Baltimore Orioles, 1892

Win % - .717, Chicago White Stockings, 1878
Win % - .271, Baltimore Orioles, 1892

Avg - .306, Chicago White Stockings, 1876
Avg - .211, Worcester Ruby Legs, 1880

Runs - 753, Cleveland Spiders, 1891

ERA - 2.28, Buffalo Bisons, 1879
ERA - 5.52, Philadelphia Athletics, 1876

Matt from TN · 10-02-2005, 09:33 PM

Key Incoming Rookies:

Baltimore

C Heinie Peitz
--- Age 22, 6/9/5/7/6 talents

C Art "Old Hoss" Twineham
--- Age 26, 6/5/5/3/4 talents
--- Peitz and Twineham will be fighting for any playing time behind starter Wilbert Robinson.

2B Heinie Reitz
--- Age 25, 6/7/6/5/6 talents
--- Man, what are the chances of Heinie Reitz and Heinie Peitz being on the same team?

C Boileryard Clarke
--- Age 24, 6/6/6/4/6 talents
--- He needs some seasoning in the minors, but he will be in the loaded catcher mix in a season or two. Luckily for him, he can also play 1B.

Boston

LF Joe Kelley
--- Age 21, 8/10/8/10/6 talents
--- Instantly becomes a key part of this weak offense. Also has good speed and plays great defense.

Chicago

CF Bill "Little Eva" Lange
--- Age 21, 8/9/8/7/6 talents
--- He has incredible speed and good defensive skills. That makes him that much more valuable when added to hit hitting abilities. However, he has a lot of competition in the Colts' OF. He won't be in the mix this year as he needs a season or two in the minors.

Cincinnati

P Willie McGill
--- Age 19, 8/5/8 talents
--- He should play a part this season and his role should grow as he matures.

LF Jack McCarthy
--- Age 23, 6/9/6/4/6 talents

3B Jud Smith
--- Age 24, 6/6/7/7/5 talents

CF "Tacky Tom" Parrott
--- Age 24, 6/6/7/2/7 talents

Louisville

SS Joseph Sullivan
--- Age 23, 6/5/6/4/7 talents
--- He will play behind Hughie Jennings but should make a capable backup.

Philadelphia

P "Brewery Jack" Taylor
--- Age 19, 6/8/3 talents

RF Tuck Turner
--- Age 20, 6/7/6/5/5 talents

Pittsburgh

P Jock Menefee
--- Age 25, 6/8/8 ratings
--- Instantly the team's #1 starter

CF Jake Stenzel
--- Age 25, 8/10/8/7/8 talents
--- Not ready to start but will be a bench player on the big league club. Could be tough beating out Pete Browning in CF.

RF Patsy Donovan
--- Age 27, 7/2/6/4/10 ratings
--- Will backup Elmer Smith in RF.

Matt from TN · 10-02-2005, 09:40 PM

1893

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Cleveland Spiders          82  58 .586 -
Chicago Colts              81  59 .579 1
Pittsburgh Pirates         76  64 .543 6
Boston Beaneaters          74  66 .529 8
Cincinnati Reds            74  66 .529 8
Philadelphia Phillies      66  74 .471 16
New York Giants            64  76 .457 18
Baltimore Orioles          63  77 .450 19
Brooklyn Grooms            60  80 .429 22
Louisville Colonels        60  80 .429 22

Cleveland Spiders

The Spiders did it again, winning their 5th pennant in 6 years (and 6th in 8 years) which dates back to their days in Detroit. They have clearly become the most dominant team in the early years of baseball history. RF Sam Thompson led the offensive charge with a .329 average and 96 RBI. LF Buttercup Dickerson hit .303 with 10 HR and 89 RBI while 1B Jake Virtue contributed a .324 average. Pitching continued to be their biggest strength. Lady Baldwin won his 5th Top Pitcher Award by going 24-12 with a 2.46 ERA. Teammate Cy Young was right behind him, going 24-12 with a 2.87 ERA. George Derby chipped in 15 wins and a 2.82 ERA.

Chicago Colts

With six games left in the season Chicago trailed Cleveland by 4 games. The Colts went on to gain two games over the next two days, trimming the lead to two games. Both Chicago and Cleveland won their final two games, and with two days left, the Colts still trailed by two games.

On September 1st, Cleveland lost to Baltimore 4-3 and Chicago defeated Cincinnati 5-1. Now with only the final game left to play, Chicago needed a win and a Cleveland loss to force a tiebreaking game for the pennant. Baltimore helped the cause by beating Cleveland 4-1, but Chicago was unable to live up to the pressure as the Reds dispatched them easily 9-0.

The Colts offense was #1 in the NL, hitting .301 and scoring a league leading 723 runs. Catcher Sy Sutcliffe finished 2nd in the NL batting race with a .365 average. RF Sam Dungan hit .341, and four other regulars hit over .300. Plus four batters with 100 or more at-bats hit above .300. Gus Krock had a great season, leading the pitching staff with a 2.61 ERA and 25 wins. Laurie Reis had his first 20-win season (21-12) since 1879. He is now 2nd all-time with 270 career victories.

Pittsburgh Pirates

The Pirates were a big surprise this season and you can give credit to the pitching staff. Silver King fulfilled his promise, going 25-10 with a 2.99 ERA. Jock Menafee was named Top Rookie, going 22-11 with a 3.16 ERA. Offensively, 1B Jake Beckley had a breakout season at age 26, hitting .338 with 10 HR and 79 RBI. CF Pete Browning hit .356 with 67 RBI. Four other regulars hit between .303-.319. 38-year-old 2B Hardy "Old True Blue" Richardson led the team with 81 RBI despite a .261 average.

Boston Beaneaters

3B Billy Nash hit .333 with 99 RBI to lead the team. No other regular hit .300. LF Tommy McCarthy hit .291 with 10 HR. 23-year-old Kid Nichols had his best season to date, going 23-11 with a 2.71 ERA. Joe Borden went 20-17 with a 3.88 ERA at age 39. He now has 282 career wins, #1 all-time.

Cincinnati Reds

2nd year man Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain led the team with a 2.98 ERA but had just a 14-13 record. "Handsome Henry" Boyle (22-14, 3.34) and Billy Rhines (19-16, 3.48) led the team in wins. The offense was one of the better units in the league. LF Willie Halligan hit .332 with 63 RBI and Jocko Halligan hit .318. 3B George Pinkney hit .317 with 63 RBI. 2B Fred Dunlap led the team with 73 RBI and hit .294. All eight of their starters had between 50-73 RBI.

Philadelphia Phillies

Offense was this team's only strength. Ed Delahanty was moved to 1B and he led the team with a .335 average and 7 HR and drove in 84 RBI. RF Dan Brouthers hit .330 with 76 RBI. LF "Sliding Billy" Hamilton led the team with 89 RBI while hitting .302 and stealing 72 bases. Pitching was a big problem, however. Gus Weyhing won 16 games, but the team's best ERA was Bill Vinton's 3.39.

New York Giants

The heart of the Giants offense was lethal at time. LF Jesse Burkett hit .361 with 78 RBI. CF Mike Tiernan hit .350 with 12 HR and 101 RBI and was named the league's Top Batter. John Clarkson (18-12, 2.79) and Bill George (18-16, 2.96) had good seasons. Both John Ewing (11-20, 4.21) and Harry McCormick (10-17, 4.03) gained 1.00 on their ERA from last season and were key reasons why the team fell below .500.

Baltimore Orioles

The Orioles posted a huge 25 game improvement from last season. Of course, they set a record with 102 losses last season but they ended April in 2nd place before sliding later in the year. LF Jack McGeachy led the team with a .299 average, and SS "Voiceless Tim" O'Rourke was tops with 64 RBI. The pitching staff made some small improvements from last season, and Ted Breitenstein (20-11, 3.00) became the team's 1st ever 20-game winner.

Brooklyn Grooms

In his 2nd season, 3B "Scrappy Bill" Joyce led the team with a .316 average and 67 RBI. 2B Hub Collins hit .296 with a mighty 11 homeruns. Oyster Burns continued his role as clutch hitter, driving in 92 RBI with just a .261 average. Charlie Sweeney posted a 2.81 ERA but went just 15-14. Adonis Terry (3.91 ERA) lost 27 games. George Keefe, however, managed 18 wins with a 3.37 ERA.

Louisville Colonels

Pitching wasn't too bad for the 2nd year team. Phil Knell had a 2.71 ERA but got no offensive help on his way to a sad 11-18 record. Jouett Meekin went 16-16 with a 3.18 ERA. Scott Stratton (12-22, 3.73) now has 45 losses in two years despit solid ratings (5/9/10). 1B Harry Taylor was the team's only .300 hitter at .305 but drove in just 28 RBI. SS Hughie Jennings led the team with 62 RBI but had just a .269 average.

Batting AVG
.361 Jesse Burkett, NYG
.356 Sy Sutcliffe, CHC
.356 Pete Browning, PIT
.350 Mike Tiernan, NYG
.341 Sam Dungan, CHC

HOMERUNS
12 Mike Tiernan, NYG
11 Hub Collins, BRO
10 Jake Beckley, PIT
10 Tommy McCarthy, BSN
10 Buttercup Dickerson, BSN
10 Jimmy Cooney, CHC

RBI
101 Mike Tiernan, NYG
99 Billy Nash, BSN
96 Sam Thompson, CLS
92 Oyster Burns, BRO
89 Billy Hamilton, PHI
89 Buttercup Dickerson, CLS -1st player ever to 1000 career RBI

OPS
.923 Jesse Burkett, NYG
.923 Billy Joyce, BRO
.910 Mike Tiernan, NYG
.888 Pete Browning, PIT
.882 King Kelly, CLS

STEALS
72 Billy Hamilton, PHI (72-24, 74.74%)
61 Darby O'Brien, BRO (61-22, 73.49%)
60 Hub Collins, BRO (60-19, 75.95%)
56 Mike Tiernan, NYG (56-22, 71.79%)
54 Hughie Jennings, LVC (54-12, 81.82%)

ERA
2.46 Lady Baldwin, CLS (24-12)
2.61 Gus Krock, CHC (25-10)
2.71 Phil Knell, LVC (11-18)
2.71 Kid Nichols, BSN (23-11)
2.79 John Clarkson, NYG (18-12)

WINS
25 Silver King, PIT (25-10, 2.99)
25 Gus Krock, CHC
24 Cy Young, CLS (24-12, 2.87)
24 Lady Baldwin, CLS
23 Kid Nichols, BSN

STRIKEOUTS
184 Lady Baldwin, CLS
178 Laurie Reis, CHC (21-12, 3.33)
174 Bill Vinton, PHI (14-18, 3.39)
168 Silver King, PIT
162 Kid Nichols, BSN

POY: Lady Baldwin, CLS, 24-12, 2.46 ERA, 38 BB, 184 K, .236 OAVG, 1.03 WHIP
BOY: CF Mike Tiernan, NYG, .350, 12 HR, 101 RBI, 56 SB, .910 OPS
ROY: Jock Menefee, PIT, 22-11, 3.16 ERA, 42 BB, 89 K, .290 OAVG, 1.30 WHIP

Matt from TN · 10-02-2005, 09:43 PM

Key Incoming Rookies:

Boston

RF Jimmy Bannon, "Foxy Grandpa"
--- Age 22, 7/9/7/7/5 talents
--- The team really needed help at RF and Foxy Grandpa should move right into the starting role.

Brooklyn

1B Candy LaChance
--- Age 24, 6/7/7/2/5 talents

Chicago

P Clark Griffith
--- Age 24, 5/8/3 talents

Louisville

P Win Mercer
--- Age 19, 5/6/8 ratings

LF Kip Selbach
--- Age 21, 7/9/7/9/6 talents
--- Will be in the LF mix from the beginning with Farmer Weaver. Selbach should start versus lefties but he will eventually be an everyday starter.

CF Charlie Abbey
--- Age 27, 6/7/7/6/5 ratings

LF Fred Clarke
--- Age 21, 9/9/7/8/6 talents
--- Obviously has big-time star potential. Will spend a few seasons in the minors though.

New York

RF Wee Willie Keeler
--- Age 21, 10/6/6/4/7 talents
--- Will probably split time with Blondie Purcell but could take over the full time job at any point. Willie is clearly an excellent hitter.

Philadelphia

C Mike Grady
--- Age 24, 7/10/9/8/6 talents
--- He enters a tough situation. This is a loaded position with Jack Clements (8/8/8/5/7), Pop Schriver (7/7/9/5/6) and John Crowley (6/6/5/6/5). Grady also plays 1B but that position now belongs to Big Ed Delahanty (9/10/9/6/7) who took over the position last season from fading star Roger Connor.

P George Harper
--- Age 27, 7/4/8 ratings

Pittsburgh

C Joe Sugden
--- Age 23, 6/4/4/5/7 talents

3B Fred Hartman
--- Age 25, 6/8/6/3/6 talents

Sir Lurksalot · 10-02-2005, 10:56 PM

Glad to see you back! Those pictures are amazing. I tried checking out the guy's website but it was kaput. He did a truly incredible job.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-02-2005, 11:01 PM

yeah...I can't wait till you get to the 40s' and I start to know some of the guys.

Matt from TN · 10-02-2005, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Lurksalot

Glad to see you back!

Thanks. I'm really pissed about losing the 1st 16 years, but I suppose that would be the time period worth losing if I had to lose something. I am enjoying this project and didn't want to toss it overboard, so I had no choice but to pick up where I left off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Lurksalot

Those pictures are amazing. I tried checking out the guy's website but it was kaput. He did a truly incredible job.

Me too. I was hoping I could download them all at once. Instead, I'm going page to page copying one photo at a time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cubsgnrlmngr

yeah...I can't wait till you get to the 40s' and I start to know some of the guys.

Some familiar names are slowly cropping up: Cy Young, John McGraw, Wee Willie Keeler. I enjoy the approaching 1900s because of guys like Honus Wagner & Ty Cobb. That's my favorite time period of all. But yes, later years have more easily recognized names. I will kinda enjoy reliving the 80s. I've never managed to get a sim that far yet.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-02-2005, 11:48 PM

It will be fun...maybe you can make this into a league too lol.

Matt from TN · 10-03-2005, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cubsgnrlmngr

It will be fun...maybe you can make this into a league too lol.

I currently manage every team, which I suppose is one reason why it takes a little time between seasons. I just hate how the AI manages. So I set the rotations, lineups & depth charts before the season and keep it that way for the whole year. It's not perfect, but it's better than the AI.

I considered letting people set the lineups, etc for the whole season for one team instead of me doing it, and I may if I had enough interest. There would be no real GM'ing though because there is no draft & no trades. Plus sims would be erratic. There's no way I could run another league though. I barely have time now for what I currently do. :P

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-03-2005, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

I currently manage every team, which I suppose is one reason why it takes a little time between seasons. I just hate how the AI manages. So I set the rotations, lineups & depth charts before the season and keep it that way for the whole year. It's not perfect, but it's better than the AI.

I considered letting people set the lineups, etc for the whole season for one team instead of me doing it, and I may if I had enough interest. There would be no real GM'ing though because there is no draft & no trades. Plus sims would be erratic. There's no way I could run another league though. I barely have time now for what I currently do. :P

If you do decide to let people set lineups, etc... I'm in.

tward13 · 10-03-2005, 08:35 AM

Clarke and Keeler are two interesting additions this season. Happy that you decided to keep going with this one Matt.

Do you just set rotations and line-ups once at the beginning of the year? As you go on reviewing them at midseason, or monthly would give a better chance for younger guys to replace slumping vets. A chance for the new blood to get a start on their careers.

Matt from TN · 10-03-2005, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

Do you just set rotations and line-ups once at the beginning of the year? As you go on reviewing them at midseason, or monthly would give a better chance for younger guys to replace slumping vets. A chance for the new blood to get a start on their careers.

Just at the beginning of the season. Sometimes I feel like cheking it mid-season. I know it's not fool-proof but I want to get thru seasons fairly quickly.

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-11-2005, 10:16 PM

when's next additon?

Matt from TN · 10-11-2005, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cubsgnrlmngr

when's next additon?

Funny, I almost did the writeup about 12 hours ago. I'm overseas & very busy. This will be posted soon. I am still committed to this thread once some time frees up. Thanks for the continued interest despite the slow pace recently.

Sir Lurksalot · 10-12-2005, 04:59 AM

I will be here. This idea is to great to miss!

Matt from TN · 10-12-2005, 10:59 AM

1894

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Pittsburgh Pirates         83  57 .593 -
Chicago Colts              80  60 .571 3
Cleveland Spiders          78  62 .557 5
Philadelphia Phillies      73  67 .521 10
Boston Beaneaters          72  68 .514 11
New York Giants            69  71 .493 14
Brooklyn Grooms            67  73 .479 16
Cincinnati Reds            62  78 .443 21
Louisville Colonels        62  78 .443 21
Baltimore Orioles          54  86 .386 29

Pittsburgh Pirates

The NL had a tight race all season. In late June, Cleveland, Chicago and Pittsburgh were tied for 1st. By mid-July the top 6 teams were separated by just 3 games. The Colts were in 1st place for much of the season but that lead went back and forth between them and the Pirates for the final two months. The Pirates went into September with a 4 game lead and wound up losing just one game to the Colts the rest of the way. That gave Pittsburgh the franchise's first pennant since their days in Buffalo back in 1879.

The Pirates had the top offense in the league, scoring a half run more per game than the second best offense in Philly. CF Pete Browning led the NL with a .381 average and chipped in 96 RBI. LF Fred Carroll hit .336 with 73 RBI. 1B Jake "Eagle Eye" Beckley hit .298 with a team best 10 HR and 106 RBI. "Whoa Bill" Phillips led the team with a 2.86 ERA and had a 19-13 record. Jock Menefee led the team with 21 wins. Silver King won 20 games despite a 3.93 ERA thanks to the strong offense.

Chicago Colts

The Colts were well balanced. They were 2nd in pitching. Despite starting just 21 games, rookie Clark Griffith led the team with a 2.55 ERA that helped him to a 12-5 record. Willard Mains (22-14, 3.82 ERA) led the team in wins while Gus Krock (19-16, 3.11) and Laurie Reis (19-15, 3.93) tied for 2nd. After Boston's Joe Borden and his 282 career wins retired in the offseason, Reis moved into 1st place all time with 289 wins by season's end.

Offensively, LF Jimmy Ryan (.339, 72 RBI) was the only regular with an average over .300 although RF Sam Dungan hit .318 in 387 AB. CF Hugh Duffy led the team with 11 HR and 96 RBI. 2B Bob Glenalvin's 68 steals was 2nd in the NL. Catcher Sy Sutcliffe hit .254, the first time in his 7 year career that he hit below .300. His career average dipped to .314.

Cleveland Spiders

Once again, the amazing amrs in Cleveland were the best in the league. George Davies went 22-13 with a 2.79 ERA. Cy Young won just 19 games but led the team with a 2.34 ERA. Lady Baldwin went 18-15 with a 3.07 ERA, and George Derby's 3.35 ERA earned him a disappointing 12-11 record. CF Buttercup Dickerson and SS Ed McKean topped the team with averages of .313 and .312. RF Sam Thompson hit .305 with 10 HR and 89 RBI. Returning to the majors for the first time since 1889, LF Count Campau stole 59 bases at age 30 while hitting .303.

Philadelphia Phillies

The Phillies offense was 2nd best in the majors. RF Dan Brouthers led the team with a .362 average, and he led the league with 107 RBI. CF JOe Knight hit .357 with 77 RBI. LF Billy Hamilton hit .326 with 75 RBI and a league best 71 steals. Catcher Jack Clements hit .325 with 64 RBI. 1B Ed Delahanty hit .314 with 90 RBI and a team high 9 HRs. 3B Lave Cross (.303, 69 RBI) hit above .300 for the first time in his 3-year career. With an offense this talented, it was obviously pitching that did them in. The rotation of Gus Weyhing (24-11, 4.17), Bill Vinton (14-21, 4.29), George Harper (16-16, 4.38) and Cannonball Titcomb (14-7, 2.20) led the 3rd worst pitching staff in the league.

Boston Beaneaters

Kid Nichols had a solid season, going 19-14 with a team best 3.13 ERA. After eight seasons as a reliever, Bill Stemmeyer got a chance to start more regularly and went 16-7 with a 3.15 ERA in 228.2 innings. RF Steve Brodie (.310) was the only regular player to hit over .300. 3B Billy Nash led the team with 77 RBI.

New York Giants

In his rookie season, Wee Willie Keeler hit .325, but his 295 AB were not enough to qualify him for the team lead. That spot went to LF Jesse Burkett who hit .292 after a .361 clip last season. John Clarkson was the team's top pitcher, leading the NL with 25 wins. Bill George went 15-20 despite leading the team with a 3.10 ERA.

Brooklyn Grooms

The Grooms had the 2nd best team ERA in the league and the 3rd fewest runs allowed per game. Charlie Sweeney (22-10, 2.52) and George Keefe (22-12, 2.86) had top seasons. LF Darby O'Brien was easily the team's top hitter with a .341 average. Rookie 1B Candy LaChance led the league with 12 HRs. SS Oyster Burns led the team with 96 RBI despite a .260 average.

Cincinnati Reds

LF Willie Murphy's .330 average led the team. CF Bug Holliday (.294) and 1B Otto Schomberg (.259) tied for the team lead with just 69 RBI. Willie McGill's 3.55 ERA in just 190 innings was the best on the team. Billy Rhines led the team with 18 wins but also had 19 losses. They finished with the 2nd most runs allowed per game in the league.

Louisville Colonels

The Colonels' offense was worst in the league, although CF Charlie Abbey (.301, 64 RBI) had a good season. Pitching was their only saviour on most days. Phil Knell (15-15, 2.84) and Scott Stratton (15-18, 3.26) gave valiant efforts.

Baltimore Orioles

LF Jack McGeachy (.301, 54 RBI) and 3B John McGraw (.292, 10 HR, 62 RBI) were the only hitters worth mentioning. Meanwhile, 24-year-old Bill Hawke managed a winning record (18-16) with a 3.47 ERA on this 86-loss team.

Batting AVG
.381 Pete Browning, PIT
.362 Dan Brouthers, PHI
.357 Joe Knight, PHI
.341 Darby O'Brien, BRO
.339 Jimmy Ryan, CHC

HOMERUNS
12 Candy LaChance, BRO
11 Hugh Duffy, CHC
10 Sam Thompson, CLS
10 Jake Beckley, PIT
10 John McGraw, BLO

RBI
107 Dan Brouthers, PHI
106 Jake Beckley, PIT
96 Oyster Burns, BRO
96 Pete Browning, PIT
96 Hugh Duffy, CHC
90 Ed Delahanty, PHI

OPS
.927 Pete Browning, PIT
.912 Joe Knight, PHI
.899 Dan Brouthers, PHI
.857 Jimmy Ryan, CHC
.847 Darby O'Brien, BRO

STEALS
71 Billy Hamilton, PHI (71-26, 73.20%)
68 Bob Glenalvin, CHC (68-16, 80.95%)
64 Hub Collins, BRO (64-24, 72.73%)
62 Darby O'Brien, BRO (62-23, 72.94%)
61 Mike Tiernan, NYG (61-20, 75.31%)
60 John McGraw, BLO (60-32, 65.22%)

ERA
2.20 Cannonball Titcomb, PHI (14-7)
2.34 Cy Young, CLS (19-14)
2.52 Charlie Sweeney, BRO (22-10)
2.55 Clark Griffith, CHC (12-5)
2.79 George Davies, CLS (22-13)

WINS
25 John Clarkson, NYG (25-10, 3.38)
24 Gus Weyhing, PHI (24-11, 4.17)
22 George Davies, CLS
22 Willard Mains, CHC (22-14, 3.82)
22 George Keefe, BRO (22-12, 2.86)
22 Charlie Sweeney, BRO

STRIKEOUTS
278 Bill Daley, BSN (18-18, 3.63)
197 Bill Hawke, BLO (18-16, 3.47)
188 Lady Baldwin, CLS (18-15, 3.07)
176 Willard Mains, CHC
164 Bill Vinton, PHI (14-21, 4.29)

POY: Charlie Sweeney, BRO, 22-10, 2.52 ERA, 71 BB, 156 K, .243 OAVG, 1.15 WHIP
BOY: CF Pete Browning, PIT, .381, 96 RBI, 22 SB, .927 OPS
ROY: Willard Mains, CHC, 22-14, 3.82 ERA, 63 BB, 176 K, .269 OAVG, 1.25 WHIP

Cubsgnrlmngr · 10-16-2005, 08:51 AM

Chicago almost won the pennant w00t! I'm still interested.

Matt from TN · 10-19-2005, 10:06 AM

Key Incoming Rookies:

Baltimore

P Bill "Wizard" Hoffer
--- Age 24, 6/5/7 talents

LF Duff Cooley, "Sir Richard"
--- Age 21, 7/6/6/5/6 talents
--- Expected to start from day 1 this season because Baltimore's offense is ugly.

RF Biff Sheehan
--- Age 27, 6/4/6/7/9 talents

Brooklyn

1B John Anderson
--- Age 21, 7/10/8/3/6 talents

Chicago

1B Bill Everitt
--- Age 26, 8/5/5/5/5 talents

CF Walter Thornton
--- Age 20, 7/5/5/8/6 talents

Cincinnati

1B Dusty Miller
--- Age 26, 7/9/8/4/6 ratings

Louisville

LF Ducky Holmes
--- Age 26, 7/9/6/5/6 talents

Pittsburgh

P Jim Gardner
--- Age 20, 8/7/10 ratings

P Brownie Foreman
--- Age 19, 9/4/3 talents

10-02-2005, 09:23 PM	#3
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Record Book Update 17 seasons have now passed and the season has grown from 66 games in 1876 to 140 in 1892. Here is a look at the current single-season and active leaders in key categories. Let me know if there are any other stats you are interested in. SS = Single Season CA = Career Leader AC = Active Leader if different than career leader Batting Records Batting Average SS - .421 Live Oak Taylor, 1889 CA - .377 Live Oak Taylor, 1888-91 AC - .349 King Kelly, 1879-92 OPS SS - 1.072 Ross Barnes, 1884 CA - .946 Ross Barnes, 1876-87 AC - .910 King Kelly, 1879-92 Runs SS - 106 Jimmy Ryan, 1890 CA - 1030 King Kelly, 1879-92 Homeruns SS - 15 Jimmy Ryan 1892 CA - 91 Cap Anson 1876-90 AC - 88 Dan Brouthers 1879-92 RBI SS - 103 Hugh Duffy, 1890 CA - 912 Buttercup Dickerson, 1879-92 Stolen Bases SS - 78 Dave Foutz, 1891 CA - 379 Ed Andrews, 1885-92 Walks SS - 121 Ross Barnes, 1876 CA - 734 Ross Barnes, 1876-87 AC - 519 Tim Murnane, 1876-92 Pitching Records ERA SS - 1.53 George Bradley, 1879 CA - 2.57 Lady Baldwin, 1885-92 Wins SS - 41 Al Spalding, 1876 CA - 262 Joe Borden, 1876-92 Winning % SS - 82.86% Lady Baldwin, 1891 CA - 68.00% Lady Baldwin, 1885-92 Shutouts SS - 9 Lady Baldwin, 1889 CA - 44 Joe Borden, 1876-92 Strikeouts SS - 205 Bill Daley, 1891 CA - 2169 Joe Borden, 1876-92 Team Records Wins - 87, Cleveland Spiders, 1891 Losses - 102, Baltimore Orioles, 1892 Win % - .717, Chicago White Stockings, 1878 Win % - .271, Baltimore Orioles, 1892 Avg - .306, Chicago White Stockings, 1876 Avg - .211, Worcester Ruby Legs, 1880 Runs - 753, Cleveland Spiders, 1891 ERA - 2.28, Buffalo Bisons, 1879 ERA - 5.52, Philadelphia Athletics, 1876 __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

10-02-2005, 09:33 PM	#4
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Key Incoming Rookies: Baltimore C Heinie Peitz --- Age 22, 6/9/5/7/6 talents C Art "Old Hoss" Twineham --- Age 26, 6/5/5/3/4 talents --- Peitz and Twineham will be fighting for any playing time behind starter Wilbert Robinson. 2B Heinie Reitz --- Age 25, 6/7/6/5/6 talents --- Man, what are the chances of Heinie Reitz and Heinie Peitz being on the same team? C Boileryard Clarke --- Age 24, 6/6/6/4/6 talents --- He needs some seasoning in the minors, but he will be in the loaded catcher mix in a season or two. Luckily for him, he can also play 1B. Boston LF Joe Kelley --- Age 21, 8/10/8/10/6 talents --- Instantly becomes a key part of this weak offense. Also has good speed and plays great defense. Chicago CF Bill "Little Eva" Lange --- Age 21, 8/9/8/7/6 talents --- He has incredible speed and good defensive skills. That makes him that much more valuable when added to hit hitting abilities. However, he has a lot of competition in the Colts' OF. He won't be in the mix this year as he needs a season or two in the minors. Cincinnati P Willie McGill --- Age 19, 8/5/8 talents --- He should play a part this season and his role should grow as he matures. LF Jack McCarthy --- Age 23, 6/9/6/4/6 talents 3B Jud Smith --- Age 24, 6/6/7/7/5 talents CF "Tacky Tom" Parrott --- Age 24, 6/6/7/2/7 talents Louisville SS Joseph Sullivan --- Age 23, 6/5/6/4/7 talents --- He will play behind Hughie Jennings but should make a capable backup. Philadelphia P "Brewery Jack" Taylor --- Age 19, 6/8/3 talents RF Tuck Turner --- Age 20, 6/7/6/5/5 talents Pittsburgh P Jock Menefee --- Age 25, 6/8/8 ratings --- Instantly the team's #1 starter CF Jake Stenzel --- Age 25, 8/10/8/7/8 talents --- Not ready to start but will be a bench player on the big league club. Could be tough beating out Pete Browning in CF. RF Patsy Donovan --- Age 27, 7/2/6/4/10 ratings --- Will backup Elmer Smith in RF. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

10-02-2005, 09:40 PM	#5
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1893 Code: Team W L % GB Cleveland Spiders 82 58 .586 - Chicago Colts 81 59 .579 1 Pittsburgh Pirates 76 64 .543 6 Boston Beaneaters 74 66 .529 8 Cincinnati Reds 74 66 .529 8 Philadelphia Phillies 66 74 .471 16 New York Giants 64 76 .457 18 Baltimore Orioles 63 77 .450 19 Brooklyn Grooms 60 80 .429 22 Louisville Colonels 60 80 .429 22 Cleveland Spiders The Spiders did it again, winning their 5th pennant in 6 years (and 6th in 8 years) which dates back to their days in Detroit. They have clearly become the most dominant team in the early years of baseball history. RF Sam Thompson led the offensive charge with a .329 average and 96 RBI. LF Buttercup Dickerson hit .303 with 10 HR and 89 RBI while 1B Jake Virtue contributed a .324 average. Pitching continued to be their biggest strength. Lady Baldwin won his 5th Top Pitcher Award by going 24-12 with a 2.46 ERA. Teammate Cy Young was right behind him, going 24-12 with a 2.87 ERA. George Derby chipped in 15 wins and a 2.82 ERA. Chicago Colts With six games left in the season Chicago trailed Cleveland by 4 games. The Colts went on to gain two games over the next two days, trimming the lead to two games. Both Chicago and Cleveland won their final two games, and with two days left, the Colts still trailed by two games. On September 1st, Cleveland lost to Baltimore 4-3 and Chicago defeated Cincinnati 5-1. Now with only the final game left to play, Chicago needed a win and a Cleveland loss to force a tiebreaking game for the pennant. Baltimore helped the cause by beating Cleveland 4-1, but Chicago was unable to live up to the pressure as the Reds dispatched them easily 9-0. The Colts offense was #1 in the NL, hitting .301 and scoring a league leading 723 runs. Catcher Sy Sutcliffe finished 2nd in the NL batting race with a .365 average. RF Sam Dungan hit .341, and four other regulars hit over .300. Plus four batters with 100 or more at-bats hit above .300. Gus Krock had a great season, leading the pitching staff with a 2.61 ERA and 25 wins. Laurie Reis had his first 20-win season (21-12) since 1879. He is now 2nd all-time with 270 career victories. Pittsburgh Pirates The Pirates were a big surprise this season and you can give credit to the pitching staff. Silver King fulfilled his promise, going 25-10 with a 2.99 ERA. Jock Menafee was named Top Rookie, going 22-11 with a 3.16 ERA. Offensively, 1B Jake Beckley had a breakout season at age 26, hitting .338 with 10 HR and 79 RBI. CF Pete Browning hit .356 with 67 RBI. Four other regulars hit between .303-.319. 38-year-old 2B Hardy "Old True Blue" Richardson led the team with 81 RBI despite a .261 average. Boston Beaneaters 3B Billy Nash hit .333 with 99 RBI to lead the team. No other regular hit .300. LF Tommy McCarthy hit .291 with 10 HR. 23-year-old Kid Nichols had his best season to date, going 23-11 with a 2.71 ERA. Joe Borden went 20-17 with a 3.88 ERA at age 39. He now has 282 career wins, #1 all-time. Cincinnati Reds 2nd year man Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain led the team with a 2.98 ERA but had just a 14-13 record. "Handsome Henry" Boyle (22-14, 3.34) and Billy Rhines (19-16, 3.48) led the team in wins. The offense was one of the better units in the league. LF Willie Halligan hit .332 with 63 RBI and Jocko Halligan hit .318. 3B George Pinkney hit .317 with 63 RBI. 2B Fred Dunlap led the team with 73 RBI and hit .294. All eight of their starters had between 50-73 RBI. Philadelphia Phillies Offense was this team's only strength. Ed Delahanty was moved to 1B and he led the team with a .335 average and 7 HR and drove in 84 RBI. RF Dan Brouthers hit .330 with 76 RBI. LF "Sliding Billy" Hamilton led the team with 89 RBI while hitting .302 and stealing 72 bases. Pitching was a big problem, however. Gus Weyhing won 16 games, but the team's best ERA was Bill Vinton's 3.39. New York Giants The heart of the Giants offense was lethal at time. LF Jesse Burkett hit .361 with 78 RBI. CF Mike Tiernan hit .350 with 12 HR and 101 RBI and was named the league's Top Batter. John Clarkson (18-12, 2.79) and Bill George (18-16, 2.96) had good seasons. Both John Ewing (11-20, 4.21) and Harry McCormick (10-17, 4.03) gained 1.00 on their ERA from last season and were key reasons why the team fell below .500. Baltimore Orioles The Orioles posted a huge 25 game improvement from last season. Of course, they set a record with 102 losses last season but they ended April in 2nd place before sliding later in the year. LF Jack McGeachy led the team with a .299 average, and SS "Voiceless Tim" O'Rourke was tops with 64 RBI. The pitching staff made some small improvements from last season, and Ted Breitenstein (20-11, 3.00) became the team's 1st ever 20-game winner. Brooklyn Grooms In his 2nd season, 3B "Scrappy Bill" Joyce led the team with a .316 average and 67 RBI. 2B Hub Collins hit .296 with a mighty 11 homeruns. Oyster Burns continued his role as clutch hitter, driving in 92 RBI with just a .261 average. Charlie Sweeney posted a 2.81 ERA but went just 15-14. Adonis Terry (3.91 ERA) lost 27 games. George Keefe, however, managed 18 wins with a 3.37 ERA. Louisville Colonels Pitching wasn't too bad for the 2nd year team. Phil Knell had a 2.71 ERA but got no offensive help on his way to a sad 11-18 record. Jouett Meekin went 16-16 with a 3.18 ERA. Scott Stratton (12-22, 3.73) now has 45 losses in two years despit solid ratings (5/9/10). 1B Harry Taylor was the team's only .300 hitter at .305 but drove in just 28 RBI. SS Hughie Jennings led the team with 62 RBI but had just a .269 average. Batting AVG .361 Jesse Burkett, NYG .356 Sy Sutcliffe, CHC .356 Pete Browning, PIT .350 Mike Tiernan, NYG .341 Sam Dungan, CHC HOMERUNS 12 Mike Tiernan, NYG 11 Hub Collins, BRO 10 Jake Beckley, PIT 10 Tommy McCarthy, BSN 10 Buttercup Dickerson, BSN 10 Jimmy Cooney, CHC RBI 101 Mike Tiernan, NYG 99 Billy Nash, BSN 96 Sam Thompson, CLS 92 Oyster Burns, BRO 89 Billy Hamilton, PHI 89 Buttercup Dickerson, CLS -1st player ever to 1000 career RBI OPS .923 Jesse Burkett, NYG .923 Billy Joyce, BRO .910 Mike Tiernan, NYG .888 Pete Browning, PIT .882 King Kelly, CLS STEALS 72 Billy Hamilton, PHI (72-24, 74.74%) 61 Darby O'Brien, BRO (61-22, 73.49%) 60 Hub Collins, BRO (60-19, 75.95%) 56 Mike Tiernan, NYG (56-22, 71.79%) 54 Hughie Jennings, LVC (54-12, 81.82%) ERA 2.46 Lady Baldwin, CLS (24-12) 2.61 Gus Krock, CHC (25-10) 2.71 Phil Knell, LVC (11-18) 2.71 Kid Nichols, BSN (23-11) 2.79 John Clarkson, NYG (18-12) WINS 25 Silver King, PIT (25-10, 2.99) 25 Gus Krock, CHC 24 Cy Young, CLS (24-12, 2.87) 24 Lady Baldwin, CLS 23 Kid Nichols, BSN STRIKEOUTS 184 Lady Baldwin, CLS 178 Laurie Reis, CHC (21-12, 3.33) 174 Bill Vinton, PHI (14-18, 3.39) 168 Silver King, PIT 162 Kid Nichols, BSN POY: Lady Baldwin, CLS, 24-12, 2.46 ERA, 38 BB, 184 K, .236 OAVG, 1.03 WHIP BOY: CF Mike Tiernan, NYG, .350, 12 HR, 101 RBI, 56 SB, .910 OPS ROY: Jock Menefee, PIT, 22-11, 3.16 ERA, 42 BB, 89 K, .290 OAVG, 1.30 WHIP __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

10-02-2005, 09:43 PM	#6
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Key Incoming Rookies: Boston RF Jimmy Bannon, "Foxy Grandpa" --- Age 22, 7/9/7/7/5 talents --- The team really needed help at RF and Foxy Grandpa should move right into the starting role. Brooklyn 1B Candy LaChance --- Age 24, 6/7/7/2/5 talents Chicago P Clark Griffith --- Age 24, 5/8/3 talents Louisville P Win Mercer --- Age 19, 5/6/8 ratings LF Kip Selbach --- Age 21, 7/9/7/9/6 talents --- Will be in the LF mix from the beginning with Farmer Weaver. Selbach should start versus lefties but he will eventually be an everyday starter. CF Charlie Abbey --- Age 27, 6/7/7/6/5 ratings LF Fred Clarke --- Age 21, 9/9/7/8/6 talents --- Obviously has big-time star potential. Will spend a few seasons in the minors though. New York RF Wee Willie Keeler --- Age 21, 10/6/6/4/7 talents --- Will probably split time with Blondie Purcell but could take over the full time job at any point. Willie is clearly an excellent hitter. Philadelphia C Mike Grady --- Age 24, 7/10/9/8/6 talents --- He enters a tough situation. This is a loaded position with Jack Clements (8/8/8/5/7), Pop Schriver (7/7/9/5/6) and John Crowley (6/6/5/6/5). Grady also plays 1B but that position now belongs to Big Ed Delahanty (9/10/9/6/7) who took over the position last season from fading star Roger Connor. P George Harper --- Age 27, 7/4/8 ratings Pittsburgh C Joe Sugden --- Age 23, 6/4/4/5/7 talents 3B Fred Hartman --- Age 25, 6/8/6/3/6 talents __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

10-02-2005, 11:01 PM	#8
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	yeah...I can't wait till you get to the 40s' and I start to know some of the guys. __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

10-02-2005, 09:20 PM	#1
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Set in Stone... MLB Players Stay with Original Franchises Unfortunately, this thread was lost in the forums crash. I had simmed from 1876-1891... 16 seasons worth of writeups lost. The good news is I have catobase. Perhaps I will recap past seasons, but unfortunately, that is unlikely at this point. Looks like I will simply be forced to trudge on from 1892 on. For those who did not read the original thread, my description was much better. Basically the premise of this thread is to import all players into the league with the team they originally debuted with. They will remain with that team for their entire career. There will be no free agency and no injuries (so players get a fair shot at playing out an entire career). With this setup, Babe Ruth will be a Red Sox, Curt Schilling an Oriole and Mike Piazza & Pedro Martinez as Dodgers. Will the Yankees of the 20s, 30s and 50s still be dominant? How will teams like the 90s Expos fair? Perhaps history will be more kind to them here. Also what will come of the Mariners with Randy Johnson, Ken Griffey Jr and A-Rod? Will the Yankees of the 2000's still be dominant without free agency? Without any further delay, here is 1892.... __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise Last edited by Matt from TN; 10-12-2005 at 11:29 AM.

10-02-2005, 09:22 PM	#2
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1892 Code: Team W L % GB Cleveland Spiders 86 54 .614 - Chicago Colts 80 60 .571 6 New York Giants 80 60 .571 6 Brooklyn Grooms 77 63 .550 9 Cincinnati Reds 72 68 .514 14 Boston Beaneaters 70 70 .500 16 Pittsburgh Pirates 70 70 .500 16 Philadelphia Phillies 69 71 .493 17 Louisville Colonels 58 82 .414 28 Baltimore Orioles 38 102 .271 48 Cleveland Spiders The Spiders had everything going in their favor as they won their 3rd pennant in 4 years. They had the top rated offense and #2 pitching staff. RF Sam Thompson officially led the team with a .328 average although 2B Sam Trott hit .339 in 363 AB. Thompson's 80 RBI were second on the team to Buttercup Dickerson's 87. Four other regulars hit between Thompson's .328 and Dickerson's .293, and the team hit .301 as a whole. The rotation was outstanding yet again. Cy Young was the best, going 25-7 with a 2.23 ERA and winning the Top Pitcher Award. Lady Baldwin was 20-13, 2.69 and George Derby was 18-13, 2.70. Rookie George Davies went 6-2, 2.65 but got only 54.1 innings of work. Expect to see more of him next season. Chicago Colts In contrast to past Chicago teams, pitching was the Colts' biggest strength this season. In his first season as a regular starter, Pat Luby went 22-11, 2.79 to lead the rotation. Mark Baldwin was 13-6 with a 3.06 ERA but no other starter had a winning record. Catcher Sy Sutcliffe led the offense with a .339 average. After 5 pro seasons, Sy has a .318 career average and has never hit below .303. Jimmy Ryan hit .339 as well but also added 15 HR and 97 RBI to win Top Batter honors. No other Colt had more than 6 HR's or 63 RBI. New York Giants The Giants made a late push for the pennant before slumping at the end. 23-year-old LF Jesse Burkett continues to be a dominant player, hitting .349 with 10 HR and 75 RBI. CF Silent Mike Tiernan was anything but silent, driving in 91 RBI with his .315 average. Bill George led the rotation with a 2.69 ERA but finished with just a 16-17 record. Meanwhile, John Ewing (21-14, 3.32), Harry McCormick (19-13, 3.03) and Ed Begley (16-8, 3.57) all had winning records with higher ERA's. Brooklyn Grooms Deaf CF Dummy Hoy hit .311 with 51 stolen bases. No other regular Groom hit over .300. RF Oyster Burns hit .270 and led the team with 86 RBI. Charlie Sweeney had a great season from the mound, going 22-13 with a 2.62 ERA. George Keefe went 17-12 with a 3.32 ERA. Cincinnati Reds The Reds had the 2nd most effective offensive attack in the NL. Rookie LF Willie Murphy led the team with a .342 average. SS JAck Glasscock hit .333 and led the team with 73 RBI. However, pitching was a big problem. Billy Rhines managed a 20-15 record with his 3.54 ERA. Amos Rusie led the team with a 3.01 ERA and had just a 16-15 record. Rookie Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain went 13-13 and led all rookies with a 3.13 ERA. Boston Beaneaters Boston was also all about offense, finishing 3rd. 3B Billy Nash hit .355 with 9 HR and 78 RBI. RF Steve Brodie hit .327. 2B Bobby Lowe hit .296 with a team high 90 RBI. SS Herman Long hit .295 with 14 HR and 67 RBI. On the pitching front, Joe Borden had a spectacular 25-9 record despite a 3.47 ERA at age 38. He is now 262-171 with a 2.79 ERA in his 17-year career. Pittsburgh Pirates Similar to the two teams above them, Pittsburg was also led by offense (4th overall) but lacked in pitching. CF Pete Browning hit .339 with 65 RBI. 1B Jake "Eagle Eye" Beckley hit .321 with 62 RBI. Pitchers Pud Galvin (19-16, 3.69), Ed Morris (19-16, 3.76) and rookie Red Ehret (18-14, 3.55) all had winning records despite high ERA's. Philadelphia Phillies LF "Sliding Billy" Hamilton continued his excellent play in his second season. He hit .343 with 63 RBI and 61 steals. RF Dan Brouthers hit .326 with 68 RBI. CF Joe Knight hit .314 and led the team with 86 RBI. Bill Vinton had an outstanding season, going 23-11 with a league leading 2.18 ERA. Rookie "Rubber Arm Gun" Gus Weyhing had a respectable 3.26 ERA and a 17-17 record. Louisville Colonels Not much was expected out of the new teams added to the NL and that's what they provided. 1B Henry Larkin led the Colonels with a .308 average and 66 RBI. Rookie pitchers Scott Stratton (13-23, 3.14) and Fritz Clausen (14-14, 3.15) had solid ERA's but struggled to get wins. Baltimore Orioles In their debut season, the Orioles set a NL record with 102 losses. Catcher Wilbert Robinson led the team with a .287 average. 3B John McGraw's .279 average was 2nd, and he added 51 steals. SS "Voiceless Tim" O'Rourke hit just .244 but led the team with 61 RBI. Bill Hawke (8-27, 3.62), Pink Hawley (9-24, 4.06) and Ted Breitenstein (7-21, 3.63) all lost over 20 games. Batting AVG .355 Billy Nash, BSN .349 Jesse Burkett, NYG .343 Billy Hamilton, PHI .342 Willie Murphy, CIN HOMERUNS 15 Jimmy Ryan, CHC 14 Herman Long, BSN 10 Jesse Burkett, NYG 10 Danny Richardson, NYG RBI 97 Jimmy Ryan, CHC 91 Mike Tiernan, NYG 90 Bobby Lowe, BSN 87 Buttercup Dickerson, CLS OPS .889 Jimmy Ryan, CHC .872 Jesse Burkett, NYG .872 Billy Nash, BSN .860 Billy Hamilton, PHI .841 Mike Tiernan, NYG STEALS 65 Mike Tiernan, NYG (65-29, 69.16%) 64 Hub Collins, BRO (64-19, 77.11%) 61 Billy Hamilton, PHI (61-33, 65.59%) 59 Dave Foutz, BRO (59-13, 81.94%) 57 Bill Joyce, BRO (57-17, 77.03%) ERA 2.18 Bill Vinton, PHI (23-11) 2.23 Cy Young, CLS (25-7) 2.62 Charlie Sweeney, BRO (22-13) 2.69 Lady Baldwin, CLS (20-13) 2.69 Bill George, NYG (16-17) WINS 25 Joe Borden, BSN (25-9, 3.47) 25 Cy Young, CLS 23 Bill Vinton, PHI 22 Pat Luby, CHC (22-11, 2.79) 22 Charlie Sweeney, BRO STRIKEOUTS 185 Joe Borden, BSN 179 Lady Baldwin, CLS 178 Bill Vinton, PHI 173 Bill Daley, BSN (13-12, 3.36) 168 Bill George, NYG POY: Cy Young, CLS, 25-7, 2.23 ERA, 15 BB, 153 K, .256 OAVG, 1.05 WHIP BOY: LF Jimmy Ryan, CHC, .339, 15 HR, 97 RBI, 23 SB, .889 OPS ROY: Red Ehret, PIT, 18-14, 3.55 ERA, 52 BB, 93 K, .267 OAVG, 1.21 WHIP __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

10-02-2005, 10:56 PM	#7
Sir Lurksalot All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,044	Glad to see you back! Those pictures are amazing. I tried checking out the guy's website but it was kaput. He did a truly incredible job.

10-02-2005, 11:48 PM	#10
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	It will be fun...maybe you can make this into a league too lol. __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

10-03-2005, 08:35 AM	#13
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Clarke and Keeler are two interesting additions this season. Happy that you decided to keep going with this one Matt. Do you just set rotations and line-ups once at the beginning of the year? As you go on reviewing them at midseason, or monthly would give a better chance for younger guys to replace slumping vets. A chance for the new blood to get a start on their careers.

10-11-2005, 10:16 PM	#15
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	when's next additon? __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

10-12-2005, 04:59 AM	#17
Sir Lurksalot All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,044	I will be here. This idea is to great to miss!

10-12-2005, 10:59 AM	#18
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1894 Code: Team W L % GB Pittsburgh Pirates 83 57 .593 - Chicago Colts 80 60 .571 3 Cleveland Spiders 78 62 .557 5 Philadelphia Phillies 73 67 .521 10 Boston Beaneaters 72 68 .514 11 New York Giants 69 71 .493 14 Brooklyn Grooms 67 73 .479 16 Cincinnati Reds 62 78 .443 21 Louisville Colonels 62 78 .443 21 Baltimore Orioles 54 86 .386 29 Pittsburgh Pirates The NL had a tight race all season. In late June, Cleveland, Chicago and Pittsburgh were tied for 1st. By mid-July the top 6 teams were separated by just 3 games. The Colts were in 1st place for much of the season but that lead went back and forth between them and the Pirates for the final two months. The Pirates went into September with a 4 game lead and wound up losing just one game to the Colts the rest of the way. That gave Pittsburgh the franchise's first pennant since their days in Buffalo back in 1879. The Pirates had the top offense in the league, scoring a half run more per game than the second best offense in Philly. CF Pete Browning led the NL with a .381 average and chipped in 96 RBI. LF Fred Carroll hit .336 with 73 RBI. 1B Jake "Eagle Eye" Beckley hit .298 with a team best 10 HR and 106 RBI. "Whoa Bill" Phillips led the team with a 2.86 ERA and had a 19-13 record. Jock Menefee led the team with 21 wins. Silver King won 20 games despite a 3.93 ERA thanks to the strong offense. Chicago Colts The Colts were well balanced. They were 2nd in pitching. Despite starting just 21 games, rookie Clark Griffith led the team with a 2.55 ERA that helped him to a 12-5 record. Willard Mains (22-14, 3.82 ERA) led the team in wins while Gus Krock (19-16, 3.11) and Laurie Reis (19-15, 3.93) tied for 2nd. After Boston's Joe Borden and his 282 career wins retired in the offseason, Reis moved into 1st place all time with 289 wins by season's end. Offensively, LF Jimmy Ryan (.339, 72 RBI) was the only regular with an average over .300 although RF Sam Dungan hit .318 in 387 AB. CF Hugh Duffy led the team with 11 HR and 96 RBI. 2B Bob Glenalvin's 68 steals was 2nd in the NL. Catcher Sy Sutcliffe hit .254, the first time in his 7 year career that he hit below .300. His career average dipped to .314. Cleveland Spiders Once again, the amazing amrs in Cleveland were the best in the league. George Davies went 22-13 with a 2.79 ERA. Cy Young won just 19 games but led the team with a 2.34 ERA. Lady Baldwin went 18-15 with a 3.07 ERA, and George Derby's 3.35 ERA earned him a disappointing 12-11 record. CF Buttercup Dickerson and SS Ed McKean topped the team with averages of .313 and .312. RF Sam Thompson hit .305 with 10 HR and 89 RBI. Returning to the majors for the first time since 1889, LF Count Campau stole 59 bases at age 30 while hitting .303. Philadelphia Phillies The Phillies offense was 2nd best in the majors. RF Dan Brouthers led the team with a .362 average, and he led the league with 107 RBI. CF JOe Knight hit .357 with 77 RBI. LF Billy Hamilton hit .326 with 75 RBI and a league best 71 steals. Catcher Jack Clements hit .325 with 64 RBI. 1B Ed Delahanty hit .314 with 90 RBI and a team high 9 HRs. 3B Lave Cross (.303, 69 RBI) hit above .300 for the first time in his 3-year career. With an offense this talented, it was obviously pitching that did them in. The rotation of Gus Weyhing (24-11, 4.17), Bill Vinton (14-21, 4.29), George Harper (16-16, 4.38) and Cannonball Titcomb (14-7, 2.20) led the 3rd worst pitching staff in the league. Boston Beaneaters Kid Nichols had a solid season, going 19-14 with a team best 3.13 ERA. After eight seasons as a reliever, Bill Stemmeyer got a chance to start more regularly and went 16-7 with a 3.15 ERA in 228.2 innings. RF Steve Brodie (.310) was the only regular player to hit over .300. 3B Billy Nash led the team with 77 RBI. New York Giants In his rookie season, Wee Willie Keeler hit .325, but his 295 AB were not enough to qualify him for the team lead. That spot went to LF Jesse Burkett who hit .292 after a .361 clip last season. John Clarkson was the team's top pitcher, leading the NL with 25 wins. Bill George went 15-20 despite leading the team with a 3.10 ERA. Brooklyn Grooms The Grooms had the 2nd best team ERA in the league and the 3rd fewest runs allowed per game. Charlie Sweeney (22-10, 2.52) and George Keefe (22-12, 2.86) had top seasons. LF Darby O'Brien was easily the team's top hitter with a .341 average. Rookie 1B Candy LaChance led the league with 12 HRs. SS Oyster Burns led the team with 96 RBI despite a .260 average. Cincinnati Reds LF Willie Murphy's .330 average led the team. CF Bug Holliday (.294) and 1B Otto Schomberg (.259) tied for the team lead with just 69 RBI. Willie McGill's 3.55 ERA in just 190 innings was the best on the team. Billy Rhines led the team with 18 wins but also had 19 losses. They finished with the 2nd most runs allowed per game in the league. Louisville Colonels The Colonels' offense was worst in the league, although CF Charlie Abbey (.301, 64 RBI) had a good season. Pitching was their only saviour on most days. Phil Knell (15-15, 2.84) and Scott Stratton (15-18, 3.26) gave valiant efforts. Baltimore Orioles LF Jack McGeachy (.301, 54 RBI) and 3B John McGraw (.292, 10 HR, 62 RBI) were the only hitters worth mentioning. Meanwhile, 24-year-old Bill Hawke managed a winning record (18-16) with a 3.47 ERA on this 86-loss team. Batting AVG .381 Pete Browning, PIT .362 Dan Brouthers, PHI .357 Joe Knight, PHI .341 Darby O'Brien, BRO .339 Jimmy Ryan, CHC HOMERUNS 12 Candy LaChance, BRO 11 Hugh Duffy, CHC 10 Sam Thompson, CLS 10 Jake Beckley, PIT 10 John McGraw, BLO RBI 107 Dan Brouthers, PHI 106 Jake Beckley, PIT 96 Oyster Burns, BRO 96 Pete Browning, PIT 96 Hugh Duffy, CHC 90 Ed Delahanty, PHI OPS .927 Pete Browning, PIT .912 Joe Knight, PHI .899 Dan Brouthers, PHI .857 Jimmy Ryan, CHC .847 Darby O'Brien, BRO STEALS 71 Billy Hamilton, PHI (71-26, 73.20%) 68 Bob Glenalvin, CHC (68-16, 80.95%) 64 Hub Collins, BRO (64-24, 72.73%) 62 Darby O'Brien, BRO (62-23, 72.94%) 61 Mike Tiernan, NYG (61-20, 75.31%) 60 John McGraw, BLO (60-32, 65.22%) ERA 2.20 Cannonball Titcomb, PHI (14-7) 2.34 Cy Young, CLS (19-14) 2.52 Charlie Sweeney, BRO (22-10) 2.55 Clark Griffith, CHC (12-5) 2.79 George Davies, CLS (22-13) WINS 25 John Clarkson, NYG (25-10, 3.38) 24 Gus Weyhing, PHI (24-11, 4.17) 22 George Davies, CLS 22 Willard Mains, CHC (22-14, 3.82) 22 George Keefe, BRO (22-12, 2.86) 22 Charlie Sweeney, BRO STRIKEOUTS 278 Bill Daley, BSN (18-18, 3.63) 197 Bill Hawke, BLO (18-16, 3.47) 188 Lady Baldwin, CLS (18-15, 3.07) 176 Willard Mains, CHC 164 Bill Vinton, PHI (14-21, 4.29) POY: Charlie Sweeney, BRO, 22-10, 2.52 ERA, 71 BB, 156 K, .243 OAVG, 1.15 WHIP BOY: CF Pete Browning, PIT, .381, 96 RBI, 22 SB, .927 OPS ROY: Willard Mains, CHC, 22-14, 3.82 ERA, 63 BB, 176 K, .269 OAVG, 1.25 WHIP

10-16-2005, 08:51 AM	#19
Cubsgnrlmngr Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 249	Chicago almost won the pennant w00t! I'm still interested. __________________ Chicago Cubs NGBL If you don't know who Kirby Puckett was or of his face escapes you're memory at the moment. Check this short video out about one of the most clutch baseball players in the history of the MLB. R.I.P. Kirby Puckett

10-19-2005, 10:06 AM	#20
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Key Incoming Rookies: Baltimore P Bill "Wizard" Hoffer --- Age 24, 6/5/7 talents LF Duff Cooley, "Sir Richard" --- Age 21, 7/6/6/5/6 talents --- Expected to start from day 1 this season because Baltimore's offense is ugly. RF Biff Sheehan --- Age 27, 6/4/6/7/9 talents Brooklyn 1B John Anderson --- Age 21, 7/10/8/3/6 talents Chicago 1B Bill Everitt --- Age 26, 8/5/5/5/5 talents CF Walter Thornton --- Age 20, 7/5/5/8/6 talents Cincinnati 1B Dusty Miller --- Age 26, 7/9/8/4/6 ratings Louisville LF Ducky Holmes --- Age 26, 7/9/6/5/6 talents Pittsburgh P Jim Gardner --- Age 20, 8/7/10 ratings P Brownie Foreman --- Age 19, 9/4/3 talents