Anybody see Hafner last night (07/04/05)

Daddy Warbuk$ · 07-05-2005, 11:26 AM

I went to both games yesterday, and man oh man, did Hafner look like an all-star to me.

He hit 3 absolute BOMBS last night, and his line was, I believe, 8-10 with 3 homers and 8 rbi's.

I can't see how he was left off the All-star team.

Joshv02 · 07-05-2005, 11:29 AM

I'm feeling lazy right now -- when was the last time an allstar team had two DHs?

eriqjaffe · 07-05-2005, 11:36 AM

While I'm happy for Paul Konerko making the All-Star team, I have to concur.

That reminds me, I have to try to stuff the ballot box for Podsednik.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 07-05-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

I'm feeling lazy right now -- when was the last time an allstar team had two DHs?

My point was he is better than Konerko, but thanks for playing.

Joshv02 · 07-05-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbuk$

My point was he is better than Konerko, but thanks for playing.

Yes, I understood your point.

I'll take you through my point. Hafner doesn't play defense. Therefore his position is DH. Hafner is a better offensive player than a number of others. But, he does not play their positions, so he should not be compared to them. (You could argue that he should be compared to 1B and not the DH. That is fine -- but it is an argument, only. It is not clear that this is a better argument than Hafner should only be compared against DHs.) I think he should only be compared against DHs -- which leads me to the question I asked (which I didn't ask sarcastically) -- when has an all-star game had multiple DHs on one team. For all I know it is often.

abailey3313 · 07-05-2005, 12:38 PM

While I didn't see him, I heard about his night.

Is Hafner a product of the Indians system, or did he come over in a trade?

Daddy Warbuk$ · 07-05-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

While I didn't see him, I heard about his night.

Is Hafner a product of the Indians system, or did he come over in a trade?

He came up in the system along with C.C., Peralta, Coco Crisp, Broussard, and Martinez.

Sizemore came from Montreal in the Colon deal.

Looks very similiar to 95' in terms of number of players who were home grown.

By the way, I'm "A" Bailey as well, good name

, and being a Bailey, I'm sure you have done exactly what the smiley is doing above!

Joshv02 · 07-05-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

Is Hafner a product of the Indians system, or did he come over in a trade?

He was the Texas 1/2 of the Einar Diaz/Ryan Dresse trade 2 or so years ago.

Daddy Warbuk$ · 07-05-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

He was the Texas 1/2 of the Einar Diaz/Ryan Dresse trade 2 or so years ago.

Ah yes, Josh is correct, I should have noted that, sorry.

darkhorse · 07-05-2005, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshv02

He was the Texas 1/2 of the Einar Diaz/Ryan Dresse trade 2 or so years ago.

Yep, Texas got undresed in that deal.

rangerforlife · 07-05-2005, 02:14 PM

All-Star or not, the guy can mash... wow. Those were bombs last night.

KurtBevacqua · 07-05-2005, 07:08 PM

I think the problem is the voting happened over a week ago. A number of guys have been saying if they could vote today they might change for Pronk. Just ufortunate timing.

Mike D · 07-05-2005, 07:27 PM

See, proof that the players shouldn't vote in all-stars. Otherwise, how else do you explain Konerko making it over Hafner?

darkhorse · 07-06-2005, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

See, proof that the players shouldn't vote in all-stars. Otherwise, how else do you explain Konerko making it over Hafner?

As has been pointed out in this thread, they don't play the same position.

Astros33Resurrected · 07-06-2005, 03:15 AM

Hafner can smash.

Mike D · 07-06-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

As has been pointed out in this thread, they don't play the same position.

Get your sarcasm detector fixed, I was referring to the fact that the players picked Knoerko, and didn't pick Hafner. Just like FJ asking how the fans could pick Eckstein.

darkhorse · 07-06-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

I was referring to the fact that the players picked Knoerko, and didn't pick Hafner.

As has been pointed out in this thread, they don't play the same position.

Mike D · 07-06-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

As has been pointed out in this thread, they don't play the same position.

Again, that wasn't my point, but have at it.

Chief Wahoo · 07-06-2005, 08:06 PM

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He came up in the system along with C.C., Peralta, Coco Crisp, Broussard, and Martinez.

Actually Coco Crisp started out in the Cardinals farm system. He was the player to be named later in the Chuck Finley deal.

The Cards had Coco and Stubby Clapp in their system at the same time. Two of the more unique names I can remember from my days as a Card fan.

Bobbuttons · 07-06-2005, 09:16 PM

He does it again. Big fly time.

07-05-2005, 11:26 AM	#1
Daddy Warbuk$ Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 62	Anybody see Hafner last night (07/04/05) I went to both games yesterday, and man oh man, did Hafner look like an all-star to me. He hit 3 absolute BOMBS last night, and his line was, I believe, 8-10 with 3 homers and 8 rbi's. I can't see how he was left off the All-star team.

07-05-2005, 11:29 AM	#2
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	I'm feeling lazy right now -- when was the last time an allstar team had two DHs? __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

07-05-2005, 11:36 AM	#3
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,703	While I'm happy for Paul Konerko making the All-Star team, I have to concur. That reminds me, I have to try to stuff the ballot box for Podsednik. __________________

07-05-2005, 12:38 PM	#6
abailey3313 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,718	While I didn't see him, I heard about his night. Is Hafner a product of the Indians system, or did he come over in a trade? __________________

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rangerforlife Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: I want to hear from a clone! React to me!!! Posts: 225	All-Star or not, the guy can mash... wow. Those were bombs last night. __________________ "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

07-05-2005, 07:08 PM	#12
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I think the problem is the voting happened over a week ago. A number of guys have been saying if they could vote today they might change for Pronk. Just ufortunate timing. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

07-05-2005, 07:27 PM	#13
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	See, proof that the players shouldn't vote in all-stars. Otherwise, how else do you explain Konerko making it over Hafner? __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

07-06-2005, 03:15 AM	#15
Astros33Resurrected Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lufkin, TX Posts: 2,213	Hafner can smash.

07-06-2005, 09:16 PM	#20
Bobbuttons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Picturesque Mentor-on-the-Lake, Ohio Posts: 3,708	He does it again. Big fly time. __________________ Frankenstein never scared me. Marsupials do....cause they're fast! Gibson swings, and a fly ball to deep right field! This is gonna be a home run! Unbelievable! A home run for Gibson! And the Dodgers have won the game, 5 to 4; I don't believe what I just saw! I don't believe what I just saw!