Pete Rose

Kaell · 06-26-2005, 08:58 PM

I have been thinking alot about his ban from baseball and from the H.O.F.. I know it probably sounds strange but here it goes.

Pete Rose was banned from baseball and from ever returning to baseball as a coach, gm, player and the HoF for betting on baseball. Now I think right or wrong this ban was complete Bull****. (excuse my french) You can BAN a guy for betting on a sport, but they continue to allow players that are busted on roids to play. Granted they get suspended but does that seem fair?

Take a look at the 2 problems and their punishments

Betting on baseball - Permanatly banned from anything to do with baseball and the Hall of Fame.

Busted for using steriods- Suspention, put in a little program that does no good(look at strawberry), and fined.

Ok HONESTLY, overall what hurts baseball more?

Personally like i said right or wrong did Pete rose betting on baseball actually hurt the game? Or was it merely an image issue?
Now take steriods. THEY DO RUIN the game. It gives players an edge that they would not have without the steriods. Steriods are a DRUG. Take these points and sign my petition. I plan to take these posts and compile them and send them into the MLB. By whatever means possible. Take the time to post you name if you are in agreeance that Pete Rose has been punished long enough and that Roids are the real Problem in baseball deserving of a ban , not Pete rose. !!!

Skipaway · 06-26-2005, 09:03 PM

Yeah, they should kick Willie Mays out of HOF!

sebastian0622 · 06-26-2005, 09:08 PM

Skip is a professional rain-on-the-parade-er-er-er.

mlyons · 06-26-2005, 09:15 PM

People take steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs out of a desire to win. People who bet on baseball aren't necessarily interested in winning. No one has ever thrown a World Series because of steroids.

TotalEnd98 · 06-26-2005, 09:15 PM

If there was any justice in the world, just physically stepping into Cooperstown, let alone approaching the HOF complex, would cause Pete Rose to spontaneously combust.

Steroids weren't against MLB rules until 2001, correct? And they already have a punishment system in place. Why would you want Juan Rincon and Alex Sanchez, those fearsome homerun hitters (side point: show me proof that steroids, or "steriods," hurt the game more than betting) banned from baseball AFTER ALREADY BEING PUNISHED FOR STEROID USE and Joe Jackson and Pete Rose allowed back in despite the rules against betting?

Mike D · 06-26-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaell

Busted for using steriods- Suspention, put in a little program that does no good(look at strawberry), and fined.

Uh, I thought that Strawberry was busted for substance abuse, not steroids. And while I'm not up to date on my addiction studies, I do believe and addiction to coke is harder to get rid of than an addiction to steroids.

swampdragon · 06-26-2005, 09:23 PM

Betting on baseball is detrimental to the integrity of the game, without which it becomes professional wrestling. It's been the #1 forbidden act for over 80 years. Pete Rose should be banned from baseball. He should never be allowed to coach or manage in any capacity. The HOF is a slightly different issue, and I wouldn't mind seeing him in after he's too old to appear at the ceremony.

randomlefty10 · 06-26-2005, 09:28 PM

Kaell · 06-26-2005, 09:31 PM

well thats true it was rule but id rather see people betting on baseball than doing roids to get an edge. I mean granted it hasnt ruined it yet but when the MLB decides to stop screwing around and test everyone . there would not be that many players left. THAT would hurt the game .

TotalEnd98 · 06-26-2005, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaell

well thats true it was rule but id rather see people betting on baseball than doing roids to get an edge. I mean granted it hasnt ruined it yet but when the MLB decides to stop screwing around and test everyone . there would not be that many players left. THAT would hurt the game .

You'd rather see people throwing games and mismanaging games and ruining teams to make a buck on the side then see them take a drug that may or may not actually have an effect on their ability? I mean, hell, look at Alex Sanchez's career homerun total before saying steroids are a magic game-ruining drug.

And I was under the impression that MLB was testing everyone. Or are players like Bonds and Pujols or whomever being exempted so that MLB doesn't have to suspend them?

Hondo · 06-26-2005, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaell

well thats true it was rule but id rather see people betting on baseball than doing roids to get an edge. I mean granted it hasnt ruined it yet but when the MLB decides to stop screwing around and test everyone . there would not be that many players left. THAT would hurt the game .

You'd rather see guys betting on the game than using rioids??

Are you kidding?

If betting on baseball is ok then the game becomes a joke and a side show. The intgrety of the game is called into question. It is the number one sin there is in the game and I for one agree with swamodragon.

Betting over steroids? No way.

Kaell · 06-26-2005, 09:47 PM

well I think we are getting mixed up on the point. he was wrong for doing what he did but it was never actually admitted that he did. He was found guilty and all that jazz. But like i said we will never know if he did or didnt, and to be honest his teams did pretty well . Taken in the view that has been mentioned yeah shaving points and losing isnt good for baseball , but then again neither are steriods. I guess to say they are both wrong but steriods need a steeper penalty like rose got hit with. gambling is a mental problem, its a proven fact that people that actually have a gambling problem cannot put it down like they can a needle, pill, or whatever other forms there are of steriods. Pete rose made a choice at first , then it got out of control, you always have a choice weither to take roids or not.

TotalEnd98 · 06-26-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaell

he was wrong for doing what he did but it was never actually admitted that he did.

Uh, Rose admitted to betting on baseball...

Hondo · 06-26-2005, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaell

well I think we are getting mixed up on the point. he was wrong for doing what he did but it was never actually admitted that he did. He was found guilty and all that jazz. But like i said we will never know if he did or didnt, and to be honest his teams did pretty well . Taken in the view that has been mentioned yeah shaving points and losing isnt good for baseball , but then again neither are steriods. I guess to say they are both wrong but steriods need a steeper penalty like rose got hit with. gambling is a mental problem, its a proven fact that people that actually have a gambling problem cannot put it down like they can a needle, pill, or whatever other forms there are of steriods. Pete rose made a choice at first , then it got out of control, you always have a choice weither to take roids or not.

Uh. didn't he admit on national TV that he bet on baseball when his book came out??? I don't think anyone is neive enough to believe that Rose didn't bet on the game. Sterioids are bad, yep, but gambling on the game is far far worse. It is a fact.

Jason Moyer · 06-26-2005, 09:55 PM

There has been a rule for 85 years that anyone caught betting on or having knowledge of someone betting on or fixing a game will be permanently banned.

Steroids were perfectly legal by baseball rules until 2003, and didn't carry any sort of punishment until 2004.

dsvitak · 06-26-2005, 11:12 PM

I may be the only person on the planet who has read the Dowd Report...IN ITS ENTIRETY!!! You can still find about 300 pages of it online, out of the entire 1000 pages of it.

Damn. 1000 pages of meticulously documented evidence against Peter Edward Rose. Not damn....but damning. Totally. I came away from this absolutely, and 100% convinced that he not only bet on baseball games, but that he bet on his own team.

Bill James has this issue precisely correct in his original baseball abstract.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 06-26-2005, 11:28 PM

I could live with Pete in the Hall when he's old - way too old to manage or otherwise be involved with a major league team. But that's it.

TotalEnd98 · 06-26-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

I could live with Pete in the Hall when he's old - way too old to manage or otherwise be involved with a major league team. But that's it.

I would only be able to live with Pete in the hall when he's too dead to enjoy it, and then only if I had no other choice.

Dwolfson20 · 06-27-2005, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaell

I have been thinking alot about his ban from baseball and from the H.O.F.. I know it probably sounds strange but here it goes.

Pete Rose was banned from baseball and from ever returning to baseball as a coach, gm, player and the HoF for betting on baseball. Now I think right or wrong this ban was complete Bull****. (excuse my french) You can BAN a guy for betting on a sport, but they continue to allow players that are busted on roids to play. Granted they get suspended but does that seem fair?

Take a look at the 2 problems and their punishments

Betting on baseball - Permanatly banned from anything to do with baseball and the Hall of Fame.

Busted for using steriods- Suspention, put in a little program that does no good(look at strawberry), and fined.

Ok HONESTLY, overall what hurts baseball more?

Personally like i said right or wrong did Pete rose betting on baseball actually hurt the game? Or was it merely an image issue?
Now take steriods. THEY DO RUIN the game. It gives players an edge that they would not have without the steriods. Steriods are a DRUG. Take these points and sign my petition. I plan to take these posts and compile them and send them into the MLB. By whatever means possible. Take the time to post you name if you are in agreeance that Pete Rose has been punished long enough and that Roids are the real Problem in baseball deserving of a ban , not Pete rose. !!!

This is the funniest thing I've read all day.

Johnny Slick · 06-27-2005, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I may be the only person on the planet who has read the Dowd Report...IN ITS ENTIRETY!!! You can still find about 300 pages of it online, out of the entire 1000 pages of it.

Damn. 1000 pages of meticulously documented evidence against Peter Edward Rose. Not damn....but damning. Totally. I came away from this absolutely, and 100% convinced that he not only bet on baseball games, but that he bet on his own team.

Bill James has this issue precisely correct in his original baseball abstract.

I've read a big chunk of it and I agree. There is no question whatsoever that he bet on baseball, and the way he did it leads you to believe he might have been fixing games from the manager position. The line is not at "did he fix games?" but he is so close to THAT region that we should create a whole new universe from scratch just to kick him out of that baseball HOF, too.

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mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	People take steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs out of a desire to win. People who bet on baseball aren't necessarily interested in winning. No one has ever thrown a World Series because of steroids. __________________ Things can always be worse.

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TotalEnd98 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,687	If there was any justice in the world, just physically stepping into Cooperstown, let alone approaching the HOF complex, would cause Pete Rose to spontaneously combust. Steroids weren't against MLB rules until 2001, correct? And they already have a punishment system in place. Why would you want Juan Rincon and Alex Sanchez, those fearsome homerun hitters (side point: show me proof that steroids, or "steriods," hurt the game more than betting) banned from baseball AFTER ALREADY BEING PUNISHED FOR STEROID USE and Joe Jackson and Pete Rose allowed back in despite the rules against betting? __________________ OTBL - Scandinavia Cartoon Heroes This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.

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06-26-2005, 09:31 PM	#9
Kaell Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 23	well thats true it was rule but id rather see people betting on baseball than doing roids to get an edge. I mean granted it hasnt ruined it yet but when the MLB decides to stop screwing around and test everyone . there would not be that many players left. THAT would hurt the game . __________________ WSIBL New York (N) SWBL New York Corporate League Baseball Working Designs LBA Dark Cove EPL K. Jet & K. Elessedil EPL New Orleans GM and Bank Manager PSB - Cincy Reds NEBL - Buffalo GM NEBL - S.Connery & C. Lambert WPBL- Cleveland Indians http://sttfrk.com/plb/plb.php - Lincoln

06-26-2005, 08:58 PM	#1
Kaell Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 23	Pete Rose I have been thinking alot about his ban from baseball and from the H.O.F.. I know it probably sounds strange but here it goes. Pete Rose was banned from baseball and from ever returning to baseball as a coach, gm, player and the HoF for betting on baseball. Now I think right or wrong this ban was complete Bull**. (excuse my french) You can BAN** a guy for betting on a sport, but they continue to allow players that are busted on roids to play. Granted they get suspended but does that seem fair? Take a look at the 2 problems and their punishments Betting on baseball - Permanatly banned from anything to do with baseball and the Hall of Fame. Busted for using steriods- Suspention, put in a little program that does no good(look at strawberry), and fined. Ok HONESTLY, overall what hurts baseball more? Personally like i said right or wrong did Pete rose betting on baseball actually hurt the game? Or was it merely an image issue? Now take steriods. THEY DO RUIN the game. It gives players an edge that they would not have without the steriods. Steriods are a DRUG. Take these points and sign my petition. I plan to take these posts and compile them and send them into the MLB. By whatever means possible. Take the time to post you name if you are in agreeance that Pete Rose has been punished long enough and that Roids are the real Problem in baseball deserving of a ban , not Pete rose. !!! __________________ WSIBL New York (N) SWBL New York Corporate League Baseball Working Designs LBA Dark Cove EPL K. Jet & K. Elessedil EPL New Orleans GM and Bank Manager PSB - Cincy Reds NEBL - Buffalo GM NEBL - S.Connery & C. Lambert WPBL- Cleveland Indians http://sttfrk.com/plb/plb.php - Lincoln

06-26-2005, 09:08 PM	#3
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	Skip is a professional rain-on-the-parade-er-er-er.

06-26-2005, 09:23 PM	#7
swampdragon Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Lonely Mountain Posts: 2,509	Betting on baseball is detrimental to the integrity of the game, without which it becomes professional wrestling. It's been the #1 forbidden act for over 80 years. Pete Rose should be banned from baseball. He should never be allowed to coach or manage in any capacity. The HOF is a slightly different issue, and I wouldn't mind seeing him in after he's too old to appear at the ceremony.

06-26-2005, 09:47 PM	#12
Kaell Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 23	well I think we are getting mixed up on the point. he was wrong for doing what he did but it was never actually admitted that he did. He was found guilty and all that jazz. But like i said we will never know if he did or didnt, and to be honest his teams did pretty well . Taken in the view that has been mentioned yeah shaving points and losing isnt good for baseball , but then again neither are steriods. I guess to say they are both wrong but steriods need a steeper penalty like rose got hit with. gambling is a mental problem, its a proven fact that people that actually have a gambling problem cannot put it down like they can a needle, pill, or whatever other forms there are of steriods. Pete rose made a choice at first , then it got out of control, you always have a choice weither to take roids or not. __________________ WSIBL New York (N) SWBL New York Corporate League Baseball Working Designs LBA Dark Cove EPL K. Jet & K. Elessedil EPL New Orleans GM and Bank Manager PSB - Cincy Reds NEBL - Buffalo GM NEBL - S.Connery & C. Lambert WPBL- Cleveland Indians http://sttfrk.com/plb/plb.php - Lincoln

06-26-2005, 09:55 PM	#15
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,074	There has been a rule for 85 years that anyone caught betting on or having knowledge of someone betting on or fixing a game will be permanently banned. Steroids were perfectly legal by baseball rules until 2003, and didn't carry any sort of punishment until 2004. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

06-26-2005, 11:12 PM	#16
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,336	I may be the only person on the planet who has read the Dowd Report...IN ITS ENTIRETY!!! You can still find about 300 pages of it online, out of the entire 1000 pages of it. Damn. 1000 pages of meticulously documented evidence against Peter Edward Rose. Not damn....but damning. Totally. I came away from this absolutely, and 100% convinced that he not only bet on baseball games, but that he bet on his own team. Bill James has this issue precisely correct in his original baseball abstract.

06-26-2005, 11:28 PM	#17
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	I could live with Pete in the Hall when he's old - way too old to manage or otherwise be involved with a major league team. But that's it. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.