New York Mets 2005-2006 offseason thread - Page 9

darkhorse · 12-07-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

Omar went with the 4th year, which closed the deal on Pedro.

You didn't answer my question.

darkhorse · 12-07-2005, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Omar also invested in old talent

Beltran was 28 last year. Pedro will probably pitch until he's 45 if his arm doesn't fall off.

Melo · 12-07-2005, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

You didn't answer my question.

The 4th year was what I meant about overpaid. You over pay someone in $ or in years. Pedro got the 4th year as well as Wags. No one else was willing to do it so they signed.

Pedro had to be shut down in late September, partly because of a sore toe and partly because he had already thrown more innings than he had the previous year, including innings through the WS.

I'm hoping he'll be able to be effective for the 4th year, let alone pitch to 45

QuestGAV · 12-07-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Beltran was 28 last year. Pedro will probably pitch until he's 45 if his arm doesn't fall off.

Beltran is definitely the exception, but if you're comparing Ryan/Burnett to Wagner/Delgado I think there's a clear difference. Pedro will probably pitch until he's 45 if he's healthy but his history indicates a higher than normal chance that his arm will in fact fall off during the four years the Mets have him under contract. Now, I do think that he'd be able to come back after a major injury and still pitch well, but if it happens in the third year with the Mets and they lose all of that year and see him perform poorly the next year as he recovers and adjusts the deal doesn't look quite as good.

darkhorse · 12-07-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

I'm hoping he'll be able to be effective for the 4th year, let alone pitch to 45

If the arm remains glued to body, Pedro will still be whupping ass long beyond this current contract.

darkhorse · 12-07-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Pedro will probably pitch until he's 45 if he's healthy but his history indicates a higher than normal chance that his arm will in fact fall off during the four years the Mets have him under contract.

I'd say just the opposite. People have been saying that about Pedro for a VERY long time.

QuestGAV · 12-07-2005, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

I'd say just the opposite. People have been saying that about Pedro for a VERY long time.

Luckily, the Sox and Mets have been very careful (read: smart) in rationing out his starts such that he makes ~30 effective starts each year. Still, rationing doesn't keep you going forever, it just stretches out what you have left. I think there's reason to believe you still have to be careful with Pedro through the next three years.

darkhorse · 12-07-2005, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Luckily, the Sox and Mets have been very careful (read: smart) in rationing out his starts such that he makes ~30 effective starts each year.

Pedro has pitched 217 innings in each of the last two seasons. He's had only two seasons in his career with a higher total of innings pitched.

Mycroft · 12-11-2005, 02:48 PM

I gave the Mets my ultimate vote of confidence this week.

I purchased a Sunday plan this weekend.

There were other factors than just me thinking the Mets were going to do well this year. We're getting rid of cable, and my wife and I are thinking of starting a family soon, so this year will probably be on of my last chances to pull of something like this for awhile.

I've had better seats (Section 23, Loge), but I had a wonderful experience buying a few seats off a plan holder last year, meeting the same people each time, so this year is my year. Go Mets!

Melo · 01-04-2006, 03:54 PM

Mets trade Jae Seo and lefty BPer Tim Hamulack to Dodgers for Duaner Sanchez and Schmoll.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2280265

Heilman has asked to start or be traded.

D-Rays wanted Heilman in a deal for Baez.

Mets turn to Dodgers and get an arm for the pen so Heilman can move to the rotation.

If the Mets had gotten Baez, it's just for one year. baez wants to close, not set up and he would have been gone. Sanchez is young and won't be FA until 2009. Scouting reports say he has 95 mph fastball, good slider and splitter with an inconsistent curve. He has decent peripherals and at 25 could still improve. From what I've heard from Dodger fans he could be lights out or blow up. Schmoll has lousy peripherals, even though he saved some games for the Dodgers. An old scouting report says he had the best control in the organization but that was a few years ago.

Seo pitched like a god when he came up again in August. His work ethic and his coachability have always been questioned. It was thought that he had turned a corner last year but I guess the brass doesn't think so. With Pedro's toe still a ? I would have thought the Mets would want to keep a quality starter but maybe they want heilman to start even though he was much better out of the pen. I'm surprised Hamulack was dealt. Even though he's something of a journeyman he was one of the few lefties the Mets had.

Melo · 01-04-2006, 04:05 PM

Also, Mets sign Brett Boone to a minor league deal. They've been trying to move Matsui and eat 5M but no takers. One unnamed exec says if the Mets eat 6M they'd get interest. Matsui was part of a package for Baez but TB backed off.

Anderson Hernandez, the kid who went 1-18 at the end of the season had a very solid winter ball season in the DR going .307/.352/.386 in 166 AB. He has a great glove and after being acquired for Vance Wilson in the spring had a solid stay at AA Binghampton and AAA Norfolk.

Maybe the Mets are close to moving Matsui and Boone will be some insurance for Hernandez and Jeff Keppinger.

Melo · 01-04-2006, 04:07 PM

one mo' time. here's a link to Mets winterball stats:

http://www.metsblog.com/WinterBall

Karros270 · 01-04-2006, 04:17 PM

This is slightly more exciting than last years crap for crap trade of Ishii for Phillips.

I'll miss Duaner, he was far and away the Dodgers best reliever last year. Seo looks like he could be a solid pickup, especially if he keeps pitching like he did last year.

Melo · 01-04-2006, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

This is slightly more exciting than last years crap for crap trade of Ishii for Phillips.

LOL, amen to that. Phillip is in Toronto and Ishii is in limbo, atm.

I'll miss Duaner, he was far and away the Dodgers best reliever last year. Seo looks like he could be a solid pickup, especially if he keeps pitching like he did last year.[/QUOTE]

IF is the key word. Seo could be a real solid guy for you. He's always seemed to pitch well but last year he showed he could consistently get out of the 5th inning and not be completely gassed. Personally, I think he turned the corner last year and the Dodgers get a fine 3-4 starter, in which case Sanchez better be a good setup guy for Wagner.

ctorg · 01-05-2006, 09:34 AM

I don't know. I was a bit hyped on Seo after last year and I'm sad to see him go. I guess we'll see if Minaya knows what he's doing.

lgkeeper · 01-05-2006, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

I don't know. I was a bit hyped on Seo after last year and I'm sad to see him go. I guess we'll see if Minaya knows what he's doing.

I agree. I liked the way he pitched. This was the first of Omar's moves that didn't sit well w/ me.

toolboxnj · 01-06-2006, 05:05 PM

Remember, Seo has been in the organization for a while. This was the first time he really showed anything.

Doughnuts? · 01-06-2006, 05:08 PM

For God's sake, can someone please tell the Mets to stop wearing those hideous black and blue hats. Thank you.

01-04-2006, 03:54 PM	#170
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Mets/Dodgers deal Mets trade Jae Seo and lefty BPer Tim Hamulack to Dodgers for Duaner Sanchez and Schmoll. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2280265 Heilman has asked to start or be traded. D-Rays wanted Heilman in a deal for Baez. Mets turn to Dodgers and get an arm for the pen so Heilman can move to the rotation. If the Mets had gotten Baez, it's just for one year. baez wants to close, not set up and he would have been gone. Sanchez is young and won't be FA until 2009. Scouting reports say he has 95 mph fastball, good slider and splitter with an inconsistent curve. He has decent peripherals and at 25 could still improve. From what I've heard from Dodger fans he could be lights out or blow up. Schmoll has lousy peripherals, even though he saved some games for the Dodgers. An old scouting report says he had the best control in the organization but that was a few years ago. Seo pitched like a god when he came up again in August. His work ethic and his coachability have always been questioned. It was thought that he had turned a corner last year but I guess the brass doesn't think so. With Pedro's toe still a ? I would have thought the Mets would want to keep a quality starter but maybe they want heilman to start even though he was much better out of the pen. I'm surprised Hamulack was dealt. Even though he's something of a journeyman he was one of the few lefties the Mets had.

01-04-2006, 04:17 PM	#173
Karros270 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,392	This is slightly more exciting than last years crap for crap trade of Ishii for Phillips. I'll miss Duaner, he was far and away the Dodgers best reliever last year. Seo looks like he could be a solid pickup, especially if he keeps pitching like he did last year. __________________ now everybody's praying...don't prey on me

01-05-2006, 09:34 AM	#175
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	I don't know. I was a bit hyped on Seo after last year and I'm sad to see him go. I guess we'll see if Minaya knows what he's doing. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

12-11-2005, 02:48 PM	#169
Mycroft Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 193	I gave the Mets my ultimate vote of confidence this week. I purchased a Sunday plan this weekend. There were other factors than just me thinking the Mets were going to do well this year. We're getting rid of cable, and my wife and I are thinking of starting a family soon, so this year will probably be on of my last chances to pull of something like this for awhile. I've had better seats (Section 23, Loge), but I had a wonderful experience buying a few seats off a plan holder last year, meeting the same people each time, so this year is my year. Go Mets!

01-04-2006, 04:05 PM	#171
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Also, Mets sign Brett Boone to a minor league deal. They've been trying to move Matsui and eat 5M but no takers. One unnamed exec says if the Mets eat 6M they'd get interest. Matsui was part of a package for Baez but TB backed off. Anderson Hernandez, the kid who went 1-18 at the end of the season had a very solid winter ball season in the DR going .307/.352/.386 in 166 AB. He has a great glove and after being acquired for Vance Wilson in the spring had a solid stay at AA Binghampton and AAA Norfolk. Maybe the Mets are close to moving Matsui and Boone will be some insurance for Hernandez and Jeff Keppinger.

01-04-2006, 04:07 PM	#172
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	one mo' time. here's a link to Mets winterball stats: http://www.metsblog.com/WinterBall

01-06-2006, 05:05 PM	#177
toolboxnj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 192	Remember, Seo has been in the organization for a while. This was the first time he really showed anything.

01-06-2006, 05:08 PM	#178
Doughnuts? All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 704	For God's sake, can someone please tell the Mets to stop wearing those hideous black and blue hats. Thank you.