The 2023 NFL Season Thread

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

I personally disagree with your assessment of the Jets offseason and think it's kind of forgetting what the team's situation was at that point and their moves over the past few seasons. The team has used 2 1st round picks and a 2nd on the offensive line over the past 4 seasons, and signed Laken Tomlinson to one of the biggest IOL free agent contracts in the league in the 2022 free agency. That's a lot of investment into the offensive line already, not to mention the fact that offensive linemen contracts were massive in this past free agency. Beyond that, the $14M AAV that the Jets put into Allen Lazard and Randall Cobb shored up a talented but thin receiving corps, and was less than any of the real asset free agent tackles signed for anyways. That's also before mentioning things like the average Jawaan Taylor getting $20M a year; the Jets had some cap to spend but were mostly forced into a holding pattern because of how long the Rodgers negotiations took, plus there was no guarantee he'd choose to play for them (or at all) so the team wanting to sign some of his preferred players to possibly solidify that makes sense. That all came together to force the team to hope their O-Line with solid upside but a pretty low floor would at least hit the middle level of their range of outcomes, which they haven't (although they have been fantastic in run blocking in 2 out of 3 games so far).

Sounds like they threw a lot of $ @ the prob. But didn't correctly evaluate them. They had 36 throws to 22 runs Sunday. So they seemed to have little faith what they built can create enough holes to move the ball. And this offseason the only negative I heard was how bad the O line was playing. So, I think you make credible points. But I still say they didn't put enough emphasis on building the front.

Also I didn't say that the Jets should trade for a quarterback, I understand that the other team would have 100% of the leverage in that scenario so they'd have to give up way too much no matter who it is. I'm just saying if the Jets are really trying to appease people and 'win the front pages' compared to where they're perceived right now that's what they'd have to do, not sign a quarterback who lost his job to Jake Browning.

I understood where you were coming from. I was just clarifying where I was coming from. NY media, sports radio & fans make it hard for any sport exec to satisfy fans if they don't win it all. That's the nature of the beast. I think the Simien signing is more or less a temporary distraction for the papers to throw them off the scent for a while. To appear to be trying while not really trying. Cause SB or bust went bust, so make the most of bust.

[Syd Thrift]

Why can't you ever just be like "okay man, I overspoke"? The Jets did not sign Trevor freaking Siemien to "throw the press off the scent". They thought Rodgers was going to be their guy all year and he died 4 plays into the season. Now they were stuck with Wilson and a practice squad guy, having also dumped Kyle Allen in the offseason, and Siemien was the only guy out there worth anything. He's 2023's Charlie Whitehurst. Only complete morons think he's a savior, and not even Jets fans are that dumb.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

lmao nobody in the history of the NFL ever "tried to win the front page" by signing someone of Trevor Siemian's caliber. He was the best FA available in Week 3, that's as far as it goes. He's not actually any good. All the good QBs have long been snapped up except, arguably I guess, Cam Newton (who, frankly, is still just too big news; like, it sounds like he's not necessarily demanding he starts wherever he plays but he's so popular that if the Jets signed him fans would be demanding him to start from Day 2 and would be like "FIRE THE COACH" if they actually went a standard Zach Wilson week with him on the bench). Who else would they even sign? Colt McCoy? Jacob Eason (I will always rep him for being a UW Husky but the man couldn't even stick on the Panthers' roster this offseason)?

If there are good QB's, they are already on rosters. Like Parcells said, 1-800-Quarterback doesn't exist. You get a chance to draft a capable starter, you get him. You get him, you do what you can to protect him. You protect him, get ready to overpay him. You overpay him, try your best to master the bargain bin. That's the way of the NFL right now. That's the only reason the NFL needs to start a minor league of college age players. Cause the NCAA isn't developing QB's.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Why can't you ever just be like "okay man, I overspoke"? The Jets did not sign Trevor freaking Siemien to "throw the press off the scent". They thought Rodgers was going to be their guy all year and he died 4 plays into the season. Now they were stuck with Wilson and a practice squad guy, having also dumped Kyle Allen in the offseason, and Siemien was the only guy out there worth anything. He's 2023's Charlie Whitehurst. Only complete morons think he's a savior, and not even Jets fans are that dumb.

Its my opinion. Sorry you don't agree. But that is the only credible reason to sign him that I see.

Why do you think they signed him? Cause he can win? They had extra $ to spend?

[pilight]

I'm doubt signing Trevor Siemian would even make the front page, let alone win it

[thehef]

The Siemian signing could've only been to add generic, pull-a-name-from-a-hat-type-of depth, nothing more. Not that Matt Ryan or Carson Wendt - two guys who expressed interest - would've been the 2nd coming of Manning or Brady, but at least those guys have significant experience starting for good teams. Signing one of them would've been both an admission of lack of faith in Wilson and some attempt to salvage the season.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Sounds like they threw a lot of $ @ the prob. But didn't correctly evaluate them. They had 36 throws to 22 runs Sunday. So they seemed to have little faith what they built can create enough holes to move the ball. And this offseason the only negative I heard was how bad the O line was playing. So, I think you make credible points. But I still say they didn't put enough emphasis on building the front.

And the Jets picked up 38 yards on those 22 runs while facing one of the best fronts in the league. The team also trailed all game. If any team is gonna know the Jets are gonna try to run as much as possible to hide Zach Wilson and thus to make sure to stack the box all the time it's the Patriots.

[Le Grande Orange]

All I know is for the first time in a long, long time I watched a couple of NFL games — those two Monday night games were dreadful affairs for about three-quarters of each game. All those rule changes over the years to make things easier for offenses and no one could score a touchdown for a long time in either game.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by damientheomen3

And the Jets picked up 38 yards on those 22 runs while facing one of the best fronts in the league. The team also trailed all game. If any team is gonna know the Jets are gonna try to run as much as possible to hide Zach Wilson and thus to make sure to stack the box all the time it's the Patriots.

No doubt the strategy of every D would be to make the Jets pass. Belichek is the master of taking away what you want to do the most. But if I'm the Jets, I would still have more faith they would be able to break one than Wilson matriculating the ball down the field. He had a net of less than 4 yds per attempt. That runass needs to be more even. The fact they seem to not have that faith tells me a lot about what they think they built up front.

But hey, maybe, again, there is nothing the Jets can do at this point w/their offense. Maybe the problem isn't that they didn't address the o line but that they didn't come up w/the right answers on the front line. I've always felt though, no matter the team, if you can't run or pass, the problem is the offensive line. If you can't stop the run or the pass, the problem is the defensive line. It all starts up front and that is the area, along w/QB that needs to be solid 1st.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Why can't you ever just be like "okay man, I overspoke"? The Jets did not sign Trevor freaking Siemien to "throw the press off the scent". They thought Rodgers was going to be their guy all year and he died 4 plays into the season. Now they were stuck with Wilson and a practice squad guy, having also dumped Kyle Allen in the offseason, and Siemien was the only guy out there worth anything. He's 2023's Charlie Whitehurst. Only complete morons think he's a savior, and not even Jets fans are that dumb.

I don't know their actual reasoning behind the signing, but it did have a calming effect. The media in this area were going nuts because the Jets didn't sign someone the second Rodgers went down. After the losses to Dallas and New England, especially the Patriots, I have enough content (rants) to last me several shifts at work.

Now it's not quite as bad. They're just mad because he wasn't signed following the Cowboys game. I just don't get it from a fan's point of view. The season is over. If I was a Jets fan, I'd hope they would just keep Wilson out there for the duration. Try our luck at another QB in the draft. Which is still what they might do.

[monkeyman576]

Anyone else notice all the Travis Kelce covid vaccine commercials popping up since he started dating Swift?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Anyone else notice all the Travis Kelce covid vaccine commercials popping up since he started dating Swift?

He's going to have more ads in circulation than Deion & Kevin Hart combined by the time Halloween gets here.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Anyone else notice all the Travis Kelce covid vaccine commercials popping up since he started dating Swift?

No, I had to look it up. You think there's some kind of connection? Other than him being a bit more popular now?

He's taking some heat over this, but I can't blame him. If you're going to pay me, I'll support any product you want. I'll even make it look convincing.

[Ragnar]

My big question is, why is Zach Wilson so bad? Did no one see this coming? If not, why? He looks worse than Tim Tebow. He is clearly not an NFL QB.

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

My big question is, why is Zach Wilson so bad? Did no one see this coming? If not, why? He looks worse than Tim Tebow. He is clearly not an NFL QB.

Some people saw it coming. Even in college his stats against top competition were iffy. He mostly built his BYU career against cupcakes. ESPN rated him at 77/100, not a first round prospect.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

My big question is, why is Zach Wilson so bad? Did no one see this coming? If not, why? He looks worse than Tim Tebow. He is clearly not an NFL QB.

In my opinion, EMPHASIS MY OPINION (since everyone seems to have n issue w/that), its a combo of wanting to "win the press conference" & the desperate need to get that QB.

Place yourself as a GM. The draft is where you shine. Getting the next star @ QB makes you the star. Plus, the draft, relatively, is EEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZ when you are solid behind center. You can address needs w/players that fit needs. And if you flunk @ it, no one notices for 5-7 years. Cause you got the QB. It must be the coach's fault. The coordinator's fault. The defense. Whatever.

But don't get that QB? Let Aaron Rodgers slip to the end of the 1st round? Let Drew Brees go in the 2nd? The media are going to be in your face about it eternally.

So GM's jump on hope. They ignore the flags.

But as I said before, college football is not grooming pro QB's. College coaches are doing their job, which is teaching QB's how to win on that level. It is not their responsibility to get QB's ready to play @ the next level. So it has never been more of a crap shoot to scout QB's. The only thing that comes close to a common denominator, IN MY OPINION, is that it seems QB's from Power 5 schools, or play Power 5 type schedules, but not at the talent factories are the places to find them. Other than that, who knows?

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

My big question is, why is Zach Wilson so bad? Did no one see this coming? If not, why? He looks worse than Tim Tebow. He is clearly not an NFL QB.

Zach Wilson was a case of a raw quarterback with plenty of arm talent that had a lot to figure out in the NFL, the type of quarterback that teams moved away from before the Josh Allen success story (and Mahomes to a lesser extent) made them en vogue again. He had one very good year in college at BYU but was playing behind a top 20 offensive line while going up against bottom 50 defensive lines every week given BYU's competition, so he also had the small school-light competition factor that made it hard to pin down what his upside really was. Obviously the Jets are dumb for falling in love (and playing themselves out of Trevor Lawrence at the 1st pick) but they weren't the only team enamored with his arm.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

No, I had to look it up. You think there's some kind of connection? Other than him being a bit more popular now?

He's taking some heat over this, but I can't blame him. If you're going to pay me, I'll support any product you want. I'll even make it look convincing.

I think the vaccine companies are taking advantage of his popularity, nothing sinister.

[monkeyman576]

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Lions at Packers(-1.5) - $5 GB DET 34, GB 20 (L) $1045

Falcons at Jaguars(-3) - $5 ATL JAX 23, ATL 7(L) $1040

Bengals at Titans(+2) - $5 CIN TEN 27, CIN 3(L) $1035

Rams at Colts(-1) - $10 LAR LAR 29, IND 23(OT) (W) $1045

Bucs at Saints(-3) -$5 Bucs TAM 26, NO 9 (W) $1050

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Broncos at Bears(+3.5) -CHI $10 DEN 31, CHI 28(W) $995

Ravens at Browns(-2.5) - CLE $5 BAL 28, CLE 3 +$10 BAL(W) $1000

Steelers at Texans(+3) - HOU $10 HOU 30 PIT 6(W) $1010

Raiders at Chargers(-5.5) - LAC 24, LVR 17(W) $1020
LAC $10

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Arizona at San Francisco(-14) $50 SF SF 35, ARI 16(W) $1070

Chiefs at Jets(+9.5) - KC $200 KC 23, NYJ 20(L) $870

Seahawks at Giants(-1.5) - I think the Seahawks win outright SEA $20

[Ragnar]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QLH-qZ1zhIw

I love this guy. Could you possibly show more distain for referees?